Is Honor all Gone?

[earl1937]

  I discovered this game about 4 years ago, as best as this old mind can remember. I do remember meeting almost within an hour a man named "Oddcaf"!! Very nice guy and he took me under his wing and showed me some of the things about this game to cut down on learning curve. We decided, mostly him, decided to start a squad, the "Ronan" I think. Nothing was ever said about trying to get an advantage, we just took off as a squad and hunted the "red" dar bars, dove in and took some and gave some licks!
I was terribly disappoint last night in MA! I had ran 2 or 3 missions, then we got to talking about a high altitude, old time 8th AF mission on VOX, so again, I posted up the mission with about 7 bomber and 6 fighter pilots joining in. I announced to the fighters that the bombers would be at flight level 220 and proceeded to climb out, heading on purpose to a sector which was not in line with any base in it. Trying to throw off anyone's thinking when they saw the dar, yes, but the guys were all talking about something else.
A flight of 4 262's came straight to us, just like we had announced on the other countries channel vox, where we would be. Normally I run missions at 14K or less, with the bombers, to promote interception and fights and we generally all have a great time! But this time we decided to go to 22K and see what would happened. You know the rest of this story, we did manage to kill a couple of 262's, but they took down almost all of the bombers, including me.
I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!

ET37
94th Bomb Group
"Devil Dogs"

[BuckShot]

if someone gave up your mission...those are the same guys that cheat and are dishonest in "real" life too.

[Wiley]

Recommend remedial training for your escorts.

Wiley.

[M0nkey_Man]

Recommend remedial training for your escorts.

Wiley.

[Aspen]

I do believe that most of time when folks are making spy accusations, its really just defenders proactively watching dar and making good guesses on what you are up to.  I do it a lot.  Sometime it results in flying around finding nothing or at least nothing close to what I thought.  Other times I happen upon a goon, mission, fighter sweep, etc that is pretty close to what I suspected.

No doubt once in awhile I'm sure someone has a shade account or outs a mission to the other side.  The odd thing is that I've played a long time and it seems like when its our side that finds a mission, its usually clear from vox or country text chatter that they stumbled on it while on their way to do something else or someone had some suspicions due to a dar or a flashing base, etc.

I suppose spying happens but I figure if a player pays an extra $15 or goes out of his way to spy to gain an advantage in a silly game, he already lost.  Spying was a big part of WWII so I just chalk it up to immersion and go about my fun.

[Copprhed]

Earl, I have found that there are definietly those who will give away positions. In a rolling tank battle for a base, someone upped behind 5 or 6 of us, and was firing at us. We thought, at first, it was just a noob, then, as we were getting picked off very accurately and quickly, we figured out that the "noob" was a cheater, giving away our ranges and positions to the defenders. It was absolutely intentional, and he disappeared quickly when we started announcing the spy. Many times, experienced pilots can pick up on the travel of dar bars, but yes, Earl, there are those in this game with no integrity. Those people are surely like that in real life, thinking that as long as they get what they want, i.e. rank, perks, whatever, it's ok. They should all be lined up and summarily executed.

[Delirium]

I know guys, you are going to holler about the dar bars and etc, but it was pretty clear what had happened last night! What is wrong with playing the game the way it was designed, with honor and integrity? Is it so important to get your name in the "lights" that you discard your honesty and integrity?
I wish there was a good answer for this situation, but there isn't, but that is one thing that is hurting the game and losing players!

To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.

How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.

[earl1937]

To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.

How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.

When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?

[lunatic1]

i know you mentioned dar bar's------a large dar bar is a dead giveaway....

we knights don't really mind if our radar is takin out..because all we or any country have to do is look for the dar bar.but your situation last night was most unfortunit..but it happens.

[Delirium]

When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?

Thoughts do not equate to evidence. Lack of evidence leads to conjecture, and this leads to further baseless accusations.

This is the path to the dark side.

[Stampf]

To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.

How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.

Amen.

When you watch them come through two friendly dars straight at us, what are we supposed to think?

The exact same thing we are thinking as we watch you fly through two sectors - It's about to get hot.

DarBar - check it out.

[Cremator]

To be blunt, "the thing" hurting the game is baseless accusations.

How can you be so certain cheating/spying/lame behavior is involved? Apologies for sounding harsh, but you can't prove it was anything but good map reading.

You really cant. But sometimes you got to go with your gut. I had an incident in a gv where I know that my position was given away. It took three times for a jeep of my own country to get close to me before it occurred to me what was happening. I never called anyone on it or discussed it with anyone. It didn't matter, its a game. I can easily see how it can be taken personal though. But it does happen.

Ive too seen a player up with me off a CV only for the same player to blow me and the CV up ten minutes later.

I used to get all hot headed and mad over stuff but anymore I chalk it up to immaturity.

Cremator

[The Fugitive]

As all your buffs got shot down you know who the 4 262 pilots are. PM them and ask how they spotted you. They may tell you and you can learn from it. At the worst you'll get some BS answer and be no worst off.

[VuduVee]

some folks just dont have honor at all. some well known bishops hopped on rooks and took a bish strat base so that their strats move to the back. a few rooks jumped over to bish and righted the underhandedness. the next day, i see two bish names attacking the same bish strat base. i called em out, and soon all rooks were calling them out and the two bish cheaters decided not to take it. its things like this that really get me. people will do absolutely anything for what they want. it doesnt matter how low down it is.

[Aspen]

More than once our squad has purposely taken back one of our bases to push our own strats back to the front.  It always causes howling but its our base, they can't have it.  If the strats being up front causes strat attacks, great, some more stuff to shoot at