The qualities of a great AH pilot

[hotcoffe]

the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him

so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money

[Wiley]

the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him

so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money

All the gear in the world won't give you the ability to know what to do with it.  My TrackIR and pedals make me personally better than I'd be without them, but they didn't suddenly turn me into a monster.  The time I put in turned me into an adequate player moreso than the gear by far.

Also, time doesn't magically give you an edge if you keep making the same mistakes over and over.  There are plenty of middle of the road sticks in the game that have been here for years, and they're perfectly happy doing what they do.  They have fun, they fly their planes, and if they get into a 1v1 with a top shelf player they're likely not going to survive.

IMO you have to choose to work to improve yourself to get better, and that's largely independent of your gear.

Edit: And there are plenty of decent pilots who are reviled by many.  Gotta say, I disagree with every point.

Wiley.

[Kruel]

the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him

so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money

I disagree with your entire statement.

There are plenty of good sticks that don't use CH gear nor do they use TrackIr. This argument is completely bogus.

There are people who have been playing this game for 10 years and are owned by people who gave played for 5 years, so that is bogus too.

No disrespect, but you sound jaded.

[Zerstorer]

the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him

so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money

If this were true....the previous statement of "Skyrock owns ----> __________" would have read "Fulcrum owns ------> ______". 

Seriously dude....have you SEEN my setup?!   

I do it for immersion and the fun of tinkering with it....to be honest I think it actually makes me WORSE at AH! 

Sorry man...I can't agree with the statement.

[DmonSlyr]

It's not necessarily your set up.
It's how familiar and comfortable you are with it.

I use rudder peds (CH) and X52

I can't use a twisty for the life of me. If I were to have to use a twisty and not be too familiarized with the buttons, I'd suck. I'd still know how to use the ACM and perform them, but I wouldn't be as solid, I wouldn't have the look up view and look around views like how I like them. I tend to always turn the twisty on accident causing me to fly slower than normal. It's just hard.

I think stick familiarity and  stick set up (where you remember where your buttons are) preferences go a long way.

[Zerstorer]

It's not necessarily your set up.
It's how familiar and comfortable you are with it.

I use rudder peds (CH) and X52

I can't use a twisty for the life of me. If I were to have to use a twisty and not be too familiarized with the buttons, I'd suck. I'd still know how to use the ACM and perform them, but I wouldn't be as solid, I wouldn't have the look up view and look around views like how I like them. I tend to always turn the twisty on accident causing me to fly slower than normal. It's just hard.

I think stick familiarity and  stick set up preferences go a long way.

Oh I agree....a good HOTAS set helps quite a bit...but to say that's the defining factor is a bit over the top. 

TrackIR also gives many advantages as well...some of which are not completely apparent!  Example:  My alieron and elevator trims are mapped to one of my stick hats (similar to what you see on a modern fighter).  When I first started AH I used that HAT for views...but TRACKIR allowed me to use it for what it's meant for!  Helps quite a bit when riding the edge of compressibility in a dive....no need to reach for the keyboard to trim up if you do go over the threshold.

So yes, a good setup helps...but to say it makes one "good"....I can't get behind supporting that idea.

[hotcoffe]

Lol
I did not say gear will turn you magically into a super player (but yet the gear cost hell of lot money...)... Thats first second, if you are not disabled or anything and if you have enough time to spend on this game , like it or not you will learn with time not to do same mistakes... (some will do the same mistake 1000s before they learn that they should not do it, some will learn it after first couple times...)

and I said CH bcuz as far as I know ch gear is the best quality for price out there. And Track Ir helps a lot if not with anything just by simple by freeing up your 8 way hut switch
which you can use for trim or many other functions.


and of course money is time... if you have to work 8 - 12 hours a day and play when ever you have some time... you can never be able to be come the best player who can play 12-16hhours a day with out any financial concern , buy all the stuff that might help him to become a better pilot etc... 

basically , main idea of all of this is , you ll get better on things where you put time&money to get better.

[LilMak]

I'd say I rank somewhere above average and it has nothing to do with equipment. Equipment can help but its incremental at best and doesn't, in any way, substitute for knowledge and experience.

[Wiley]

The quantum leaps I found were getting off the twisty and onto pedals, and getting TrackIR.  Those two purchases allowed me to do things I couldn't do without them.  As far as stick goes, if you have enough functionality to run throttle, pitch, and roll, flaps, bang switch, and ideally elevator trim, the rest of it is convenience as far as I'm concerned.

It's still the operator, and unless they're actively working at it, most people will plateau well below 'great'.

Wiley.

[Zerstorer]

Lol
I did not say gear will turn you magically into a super player (but yet the gear cost hell of lot money...)... Thats first second, if you are not disabled or anything and if you have enough time to spend on this game , like it or not you will learn with time not to do same mistakes... (some will do the same mistake 1000s before they learn that they should not do it, some will learn it after first couple times...)

and I said CH bcuz as far as I know ch gear is the best quality for price out there. And Track Ir helps a lot if not with anything just by simple by freeing up your 8 way hut switch
which you can use for trim or many other functions.


and of course money is time... if you have to work 8 - 12 hours a day and play when ever you have some time... you can never be able to be come the best player who can play 12-16hhours a day with out any financial concern , buy all the stuff that might help him to become a better pilot etc... 

basically , main idea of all of this is , you ll get better on things where you put time&money to get better.

Ahhh OK.  With these clarifications I agree with your statements.... except for the CH stuff....I'm a Thrustmaster / VKB guy myself.   

It's still the operator, and unless they're actively working at it, most people will plateau well below 'great'.

Agreed...and this would be me.  I'm honestly OK with that. 

[Someguy63]

the truth is , if some one has enough time to put in this game to truly master it and enough money to buy the right equipment (CH set and TrackIR)
can become easily a great AH pilot and it wont matter if he is personal wise a az hole very body will worship him

so the qualities are :
-Time
-Money

This is horribl wrong, I'd have to say I'm definitely above average and I fly with a cheap wireless mouse, a cheap laptop, and a cheap pair of headphones.

[Wiley]

Agreed...and this would be me.  I'm honestly OK with that. 

Me too.  I kind of cycle in my desire to get better.  Occasionally I get the itch to figure something out or improve myself, then I put in the effort.  Most of the time I'm just doing what I do and occasionally I notice something that improves my abilities.  It's a slooooow way to get better though.

An hour with a good trainer when I'm in the mood to be attentive and absorb what they're saying is better than months of knocking around on my own most of the time.

Wiley.

[Ack-Ack]

So yes, a good setup helps...but to say it makes one "good"....I can't get behind supporting that idea.

This player would disagree...it seems that using rudder pedals elevates ones skills beyond measure.



ack-ack

[Wiley]

This player would disagree...it seems that using rudder pedals elevates ones skills beyond measure.

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ack-ack

  CHEATER!!!

Funny what different people see as an 'unfair' advantage.

I don't consider it unfair, but IMO a 3 monitor setup is one of the bigger advantages a person can get in this game over others that don't have it.  Different priorities in what people think helps most I guess.

Wiley.

[Zerstorer]

Me too.  I kind of cycle in my desire to get better.  Occasionally I get the itch to figure something out or improve myself, then I put in the effort.  Most of the time I'm just doing what I do and occasionally I notice something that improves my abilities.  It's a slooooow way to get better though.

An hour with a good trainer when I'm in the mood to be attentive and absorb what they're saying is better than months of knocking around on my own most of the time.

Wiley.

In the same boat...I pretty much do what I do and very slowly improve. I only started with a trainer last year...helped with some parts of my game that I couldnt figure out on my own.