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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2015, 08:45:58 PM »
junky is not if the movie is an actual representation of what happened there, but if it is mostly true or enhanced.  saving pvt ryan is an actual representation of what happened in ww2 but it isnt true.



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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #61 on: January 28, 2015, 09:08:04 PM »
junky is not if the movie is an actual representation of what happened there, but if it is mostly true or enhanced.  saving pvt ryan is an actual representation of what happened in ww2 but it isnt true.



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Everyone is aware it's not completely accurate....That's why it says "Based off a True Story" key word BASED, it's not verbatim.

They can be used as historical representation of historical events, this war didn't have "Battles" because it was a COIN fight(Battles have detailed after action reports, many of these are still considered sensitive information).....the only area I am aware of that units have a battle streamer for it is Operation Anaconda which was in 2001.

It isn't completely true but if someone is wondering what it was like, this is a pretty damn good representation.......many vets have already been on TV saying this.
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #62 on: January 28, 2015, 09:41:54 PM »
The movie was "OK". Some actual events were not true or enhanced for Hollywood, "at least according to Kyles own words in his book".

Im not sure how the special forces community feels about the Self-aggrandizement , the money making, or the coming out in whats supposed to be a secret community. Thats for them to judge. Not me, not you. These guys, all branches, go thru hell for what? a 1% raise this year? So what right would we have to say anything?

I guess the entire ego and money thing with this Ventura guy left a bad taste in my mouth. That and I remember another war we did the body count thing, its a bad way to go about business. But where the book, the movie, and Eastwood gets it right is the incredible suffering our troops go thru in these foreign war's, especially in that part of the world where Ive personally experienced the unrelenting hate. I suspect that was Kyles main purpose, and why he died the way he did. Helping other Vet's cope.

That should be his legacy. Not the body count.
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #63 on: January 29, 2015, 12:53:25 PM »
I saw it.  I'll take it over the garbage I usually get to choose from.  As a kid that grew up hunting, fishing and being taught that America, even will all her flaws, is a great country, it's refreshing to see a movie about normal (in my world) people.

Just like America, Kyle had plenty of flaws and so does the movie.  But, I don't want to live anywhere else, I would want someone like Kyle on the rifle as I cleared houses and the movie is the best I've seen in a while.

I didn't look at it as a war movie.  I see it as a movie about man.
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« Reply #64 on: January 29, 2015, 08:06:26 PM »
I saw it.  I'll take it over the garbage I usually get to choose from.  As a kid that grew up hunting, fishing and being taught that America, even will all her flaws, is a great country, it's refreshing to see a movie about normal (in my world) people.

Just like America, Kyle had plenty of flaws and so does the movie.  But, I don't want to live anywhere else, I would want someone like Kyle on the rifle as I cleared houses and the movie is the best I've seen in a while.

I didn't look at it as a war movie.  I see it as a movie about man.

Concur.. I even went off on a rant on FB at people attacking it and I don't rant anymore. 
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« Reply #65 on: January 29, 2015, 10:55:36 PM »
Can we dump Michael Moore off in a war zone for a few hours; bet he retracts...

What a slob.
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #66 on: January 29, 2015, 11:49:05 PM »
Can we dump Michael Moore off in a war zone for a few hours; bet he retracts...

What a slob.

Nah, he'd join up with his compatriots and get along just fine.  They could sit down together and plot against what used to be core American values.

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« Reply #67 on: January 30, 2015, 12:40:46 AM »
Can we dump Michael Moore off in a war zone for a few hours; bet he retracts...

What a slob.
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« Reply #68 on: January 30, 2015, 05:20:42 PM »
Just saw the movie, finally. I agree with a statement I read earlier. It's not a war movie, it's a movie about a warrior. Eastwood did a good job on this one.   
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« Reply #69 on: January 30, 2015, 10:53:52 PM »
A few screen shots from  American Sniper. I have a screener's DVD of the film.









These next ones are from the final minutes of the movie. They show some shots of the many thousands of people who lined Rt 35, standing in the rain for hours to pay homage to Kyle as his funeral procession drove by. This procession is reported as the longest ever seen in Texas, stretching 200 miles in length. I was thinking that when Michael Moore finally has that overdue heart attack, his funeral procession will probably not stack up to Kyle's. It will, however, surely be long enough to wind all the way around a McDonalds....  









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« Reply #70 on: January 31, 2015, 12:36:05 AM »
roadkill, the court case revealed that only 2% of the profits went to charity. The rest went into Kyle's and his family's pocket.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/384176/justice-jesse-ventura-was-right-his-lawsuit-j-delgado/page/0/2

And it seems he lied about a few other things
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/30/the-complicated-but-unveriable-legacy-of-chris-kyle-the-deadliest-sniper-in-american-history/

It paints the picture of a man who was a sociopath and a liar.


Lots of bulls**t in this post...

Your conclusion is based upon lousy reporting.

1st, the vast majority of the book royalties remains in an interest bearing account. Kyle's second book has earned close to $400,000 in royalties, and that money is used as income for his wife and kids. You stated that, "The rest went into Kyle's and his family's pocket". No one has made that claim, you just invented it.

Taya Kyle has set up a 501c3 non-profit, the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation assists military couples and families.

2nd, McCoy's article is loaded with inaccuracies. Brandon Webb has stated that Kyle told him that he had also heard that snipers were deployed to New Orleans and had shot at least 30 armed bad guys. Webb stated that Kyle "was clearly bothered by this". Webb is surely reliable. Nowhere did Kyle claim to be involved. Any claims to the otherwise are untrue.

As to the story of shooting two carjackers.... Who knows? No one can prove or disprove the story of several 2nd Ranger Battalion Rangers clearing out drug dealers adjacent to military housing. However, many years later, people still claim that several drug dealers disappeared after threatening retribution on the families of Rangers. My cousin's husband is a retired Lt. Col. formerly commanding a Ranger Regiment, he didn't offer any details, but admitted to having heard the story as well.

As to McCoy's assertion that Kyle's confirmed kill total is in question... Hardly. The Navy credits Kyle with 162 confirmed kills. Hathcock had 93 confirmed, and over 300 claimed.

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« Reply #71 on: January 31, 2015, 08:31:11 AM »
The Navy credits Kyle with 162 confirmed kills. Hathcock had 93 confirmed, and over 300 claimed.

To be fair to Hathcock, he was operating under MUCH stricter verification criteria in Vietnam than was faced by Kyle (as I recall, confirmation required third-party verification from someone of officer rank, and who was NOT his spotter), and the conditions on the battlefield in Vietnam often made it impossible.
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Re: American Sniper
« Reply #72 on: January 31, 2015, 08:33:49 AM »
Lots of bulls**t in this post...

Your conclusion is based upon lousy reporting.

1st, the vast majority of the book royalties remains in an interest bearing account. Kyle's second book has earned close to $400,000 in royalties, and that money is used as income for his wife and kids. You stated that, "The rest went into Kyle's and his family's pocket". No one has made that claim, you just invented it.

Taya Kyle has set up a 501c3 non-profit, the Chris Kyle Frog Foundation assists military couples and families.

2nd, McCoy's article is loaded with inaccuracies. Brandon Webb has stated that Kyle told him that he had also heard that snipers were deployed to New Orleans and had shot at least 30 armed bad guys. Webb stated that Kyle "was clearly bothered by this". Webb is surely reliable. Nowhere did Kyle claim to be involved. Any claims to the otherwise are untrue.

As to the story of shooting two carjackers.... Who knows? No one can prove or disprove the story of several 2nd Ranger Battalion Rangers clearing out drug dealers adjacent to military housing. However, many years later, people still claim that several drug dealers disappeared after threatening retribution on the families of Rangers. My cousin's husband is a retired Lt. Col. formerly commanding a Ranger Regiment, he didn't offer any details, but admitted to having heard the story as well.

As to McCoy's assertion that Kyle's confirmed kill total is in question... Hardly. The Navy credits Kyle with 162 confirmed kills. Hathcock had 93 confirmed, and over 300 claimed.



One of the best examples of cognitive dissonance that I've seen in a long time.  Keep it up, I'll put some popcorn on and settle in for another round.



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« Reply #73 on: January 31, 2015, 09:23:31 AM »
One of the best examples of cognitive dissonance that I've seen in a long time.  Keep it up, I'll put some popcorn on and settle in for another round.





Perhaps you could use facts to support your position?

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« Reply #74 on: January 31, 2015, 09:33:47 AM »
And make sure it is an original text written by you. If you copy paste somthing the information will be dismissed out of hand and you'll be publicly humiliated!
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