Author Topic: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch  (Read 2601 times)

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http://rt.com/usa/219255-f35-fighter-jet-glitch/

Not a great thing to happen, if it's true, forget to program in the code for firing the gun in both the internal F35A cannon or the C and B gun pod.  Sweet.  Who needs a gun anyway, right?

Plus, it'll only put it behind 4 years to fix it apparently. I just don't get that.  Does it seriously take FOUR years to figure out how to write some ones and zeros to make the trigger make the gun go pewpewpew?  I've never understood these software problems or the time that it's been reported to fix them.  Considering the source (RT), I wonder if this is a puff piece.  Still looking for confirmation on other US and Western based defense and aviation sites.
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2015, 12:14:22 AM »
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2015, 01:49:55 AM »
http://rt.com/usa/219255-f35-fighter-jet-glitch/

Not a great thing to happen, if it's true, forget to program in the code for firing the gun in both the internal F35A cannon or the C and B gun pod.  Sweet.  Who needs a gun anyway, right?

Plus, it'll only put it behind 4 years to fix it apparently. I just don't get that.  Does it seriously take FOUR years to figure out how to write some ones and zeros to make the trigger make the gun go pewpewpew?  I've never understood these software problems or the time that it's been reported to fix them.  Considering the source (RT), I wonder if this is a puff piece.  Still looking for confirmation on other US and Western based defense and aviation sites.

They probably have such a high bureaucracy in system changes that a simple software fix will take 4 years to achieve. Imagine the cost to taxpayers :)

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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2015, 03:52:34 AM »
1st of all it is RT.com ... don't take it as correct unless you have cross reference to check...

Another thing - I don't really understand how should you aim without HUD?
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2015, 04:15:16 AM »
1st of all it is RT.com ... don't take it as correct unless you have cross reference to check...

Another thing - I don't really understand how should you aim without HUD?

Helmet aimpoint tracking...
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2015, 05:50:31 AM »
Meh. Russian propaganda...
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2015, 02:26:07 PM »
Some US defense sites are now carrying a more detailed version of the story.  I too figured it being RT it may just be negative propo, but looks as though it may be a legit story.

From Defense Tech:  http://defensetech.org/2015/01/02/a-tale-of-two-gatling-guns-f-35-vs-a-10/#more-24326

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The Daily Beast’s Dave Majumdar is out with another excellent story about how the gun on the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, the Pentagon’s newest and most expensive fighter jet, won’t work for another four years — at the earliest.

That’s because the software that lets pilots shoot the Gatling gun, which is critical for the aircraft to provide close-air support to ground troops, isn’t expected to ship until 2019, according to the article.

As Majumdar writes:

    “There will be no gun until [the Joint Strike Fighter’s Block] 3F [software], there is no software to support it now or for the next four-ish years,” said one Air Force official affiliated with the F-35 program. “Block 3F is slated for release in 2019, but who knows how much that will slip?”

What’s also interesting to note is how few rounds the General Dynamics Corp.-made weapon actually holds compared to the 1970s-era A-10 Thunderbolt II.

The GAU-22/A, a four-barrel version of the 25mm GAU-12/U Equalizer rotary cannon found on the Marine Corps’ AV-8B Harrier II jump set, is designed to be internally mounted on the Air Force’s F-35A version of the aircraft and hold 182 rounds. It’s slated to be externally mounted on the Marine Corps’ F-35B jump-jet variant and the Navy’s F-35C aircraft carrier version and hold 220 rounds.

GAU-22

The GAU-22/A is lighter and more accurate than its predecessor, but with a reduced rate of fire of 3,300 rounds per minute. At that rate, the F-35 would be out of ammunition in about four seconds, or one or two bursts of fire.

By comparison, the 30mm, seven-barrel GAU-8/A Avenger in the nose of the venerable Warthog attack aircraft can hold as many as 1,174 rounds. It’s configured to fire at a fixed rate of fire of 3,900 rounds per minute.

It's just a phase they're going through

The F-35, in its full configuration with the Block 3F software, is designed to carry a suite of internal and external weapons, including the GPS-guided Joint Direct Attack Munition, laser-guided Paveway II bomb, Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile and infrared Sidewinder missile.

Still, the long wait for a functional F-35 gun is likely to raise more questions about the Air Force’s repeated push to send the A-10 to the bone yard. Lawmakers disagreed with the service’s fiscal 2015 budget proposal to retire the aircraft and authorized funding to keep the plane flying for at least another year.

Even war commanders seem sold on the merits of the A-10, which was deployed to Iraq in recent months to help U.S. and Iraqi forces fight Islamic militants. Video of the planes firing its iconic gun at suspected ISIS targets has circulated online.

Meanwhile, the Pentagon plans to begin operational flights of the F-35 — even without the use of the gun and lingering concerns over software — this year. The F-35B is slated to reach so-called initial operational capability by the end of the year, the F-35A by late next year and the F-35C by February 2019.

Read more: http://defensetech.org/2015/01/02/a-tale-of-two-gatling-guns-f-35-vs-a-10/#ixzz3NhJocCFA
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No pew pew pew for 4 years worst case scenario.  :(

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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2015, 03:08:59 PM »
Worst case scenario or not, it is inexcusable that they accepted a bird that can't shoot given it's expected war time role. Not that less than 200 rounds will make it much of a ground support or even close in air superiority fighter. Unless they put in a round limiter to something like 10 or 15 rounds per "trigger pull" it doesn't have much in the way of real use even for A to A. Makes me think that the same idiotic mind set that brought the AF and Navy the F4 in gunless mode is still alive and kicking in the puzzle palace.  :rolleyes:
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2015, 03:19:43 PM »
We are reliving the VF-22 program all over again, except at a higher cost.  The best we can hope for is a mediocre aircraft to enter true operational service around 2025.  I hope our Chinese overlords will take pity on us.
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2015, 03:44:45 PM »
Four years to map Button 0 to Fire Primary?

I don't buy it.
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2015, 04:06:50 PM »
Didn't you see? They spent half the F-35 budget on the commercials for the Military Industrial Compl- Armed Forces Bowl today. Freaking F-35s looked like they were flying off the set of Transformers III but don't have a gun that fire till 2019...

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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2015, 04:18:37 PM »
Both the F-22 and the F-35 programs are symptom of the entire United States of America. We are flawed, very flawed and the country is off course.

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An honest discussion would have killed both programs in the late 1990s and a fraction of the money put into up graded/modeled F-15s and F-16s. As someone neck deep in policy for 20 years this is bad.
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2015, 04:39:12 PM »
The next four years is mostly operational training anyways. I don't get all the negative BS so many are spouting. Full operational capability (FOC) is planned for 2020, five years from now.
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Re: New F35 issue - no cannon pew pew until 2019 due to software glitch
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2015, 10:45:12 PM »
Seriously, using an expensive piece of kit like the F-35 as a tank-buster strikes me as, well, ill-advised at best.

edit - bah, no need for examples.
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