Players to admire

[Guppy35]

See here for reference: http://forums.ubi.com/showthread.php/415651-Turnfighting-more-difficult-than-boom-and-zoom-Forums

This is a thread in IL2, and it's not a very uncommon subject. In almost every other sim, turnfighting is viewed as unskilled, yet intuitive and energy fighting is the skilled approach. And this is a tame thread, where the views are split somewhat. Wait until you get into competition ladders and see what the top players' true opinions are of "turnfighting," "HO'ing" (actually called deflection shots elsewhere), and so forth. It's a stark difference to the "it's unskilled and lame" comments here.

I could post numerous other links showing that my views are not only normal, but that they are quite common and completely validated across air combat sims as a genre. These views are validated because they're almost entirely results-based (i.e. objective). My views and playstyle stem from that.

The "collective" can ridicule me all day long, and it bounces right off, because for every player claiming I'm pathetic for being forthright, there's 1,000+ across the genre as a whole proving I'm right. I'm not going to stop posting the truth of the matter just because a collective (ironic choice of words) thinks otherwise.

What is mind boggling to me is how poor your comprehension skills are.  Everyone has stated repeatedly that you are welcome to fly any way you want.

So why continue to argue about it. 

The thread is about people in the game that are admired.  No matter how desperate you are to be admired, you can't demand that other people admire you.

People in the AH community are admired for any number of reasons, mainly for how they present themselves, what they contribute to the game and in how they treat other players.

Your defensiveness over the way you fly and your ad nauseum attempts to convince others of the virtue with which you fly is beyond sad at this point.  Personally I've reached the point of pitying you as your self worth seems very poor.

You can claim to be the greatest cartoon pilot in the history of flight sims, but what you've contributed to the AH community from what I've seen is nothing.  The latest and greatest self proclaimed AH gods come and go.  I can't think of a single one of them I've admired for thier scoring or style of play.   There are a number of them I've admired for the way they approached and played the game however.  Keep in mind style of play and how one plays the game are two different things.

I hope you figure that out some day.  Until then you are just another set of pixels in the arena. 

[Reaper90]

What is mind boggling to me is how poor your comprehension skills are.  Everyone has stated repeatedly that you are welcome to fly any way you want.

So why continue to argue about it. 

The thread is about people in the game that are admired.  No matter how desperate you are to be admired, you can't demand that other people admire you.

People in the AH community are admired for any number of reasons, mainly for how they present themselves, what they contribute to the game and in how they treat other players.

Your defensiveness over the way you fly and your ad nauseum attempts to convince others of the virtue with which you fly is beyond sad at this point.  Personally I've reached the point of pitying you as your self worth seems very poor.

You can claim to be the greatest cartoon pilot in the history of flight sims, but what you've contributed to the AH community from what I've seen is nothing.  The latest and greatest self proclaimed AH gods come and go.  I can't think of a single one of them I've admired for thier scoring or style of play.   There are a number of them I've admired for the way they approached and played the game however.  Keep in mind style of play and how one plays the game are two different things.

I hope you figure that out some day.  Until then you are just another set of pixels in the arena. 

[JunkyII]

. The same goes for honor, respect, and so forth.



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Was going to post but honestly it's better if nobody even replies to him....they have an agenda here that's why every time I read one of his post it's like...How can this kid not get it? Why is she talking about that? Does he understand that the majority understand exactly what he is saying? Does he understand most of the community started out E fighting and found it to be "easy" and boring?

Later thread this one needs to just get locked, again The Damned turned something that was supposed to be the first decent thread in a while into their dog and pony show.

[oboe]

And what do you think "winning" is? It's doing your job and succeeding. That means you kill the enemy as quickly and efficiently as possible.

If you're in a 109 fighting 80+ US fighters, are you going to try some AH-based "honorable" tactic and turn and loop and avoid shots forward of the 3/9 line? No, you're going to shoot down every fighter that crosses your windscreen, whether it's in the face or not; you're going to rope, stay vertical, and do whatever you can to kill as many as you can and then get home alive... because what matters is beating the other guy and nothing else.

The guys here talking of "honor" in combat have no conception of actual warfare.

Skyrr, if you study WWII history, sooner or later you will run across this example of honor in actual warfare.   Apologies if this example has been brought up in the thread already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident



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[Changeup]

Some players I've admired over my years in AH. Some are based on skill and others are based on what they offered me in AH.


5. Changeup, skyrock, and bear76
      -  They have been over whelmingly generous to give me a headset, rudder peddles, and an SSD card. A  players generosity like these 3 have been more than admirable and thankful to me and AH.

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I've enjoyed every minute of watching you fly bub...

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Skyrr, if you study WWII history, sooner or later you will run across this example of honor in actual warfare.   Apologies if this example has been brought up in the thread already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident

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not that I give a crap what that mutt says...but damn fine point...one of the best actually, of what true Honor is.....and the exact opposite of what he thinks.

[Gman]

Recent posts bring up an interesting point -  I would "admire" a player who donated hardware, subscription fees, his time in the training arena, and so on, much more, and long before, I would "admire" somebody with the ability to win duels or be ranked #1.  That said, there is nothing wrong with admiring skill in the game, but attitude and generosity should both rank above skill IMO.  I think many (certainly not all considering who just started posting in the thread this week) probably feel the same.  There is also a number of players who do all the above - demonstrate great skill, take time to help others, have a great, friendly attitude, and donate hardware/sub fees.  

I think it was Big R that just recently posted, giving away a decent video card after upgrading, plus he's excellent in the P51, so he gets my nod for player of the week.

[Skyyr]

Skyrr, if you study WWII history, sooner or later you will run across this example of honor in actual warfare.   Apologies if this example has been brought up in the thread already.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Brown_and_Franz_Stigler_incident

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And in that example, the bomber was no longer a threat. It was honor after the fact, at least on the part of the Germans. That is why it was let go. Again, completely different from "not HO'ing," turnfighting for sportsmanship, etc.

Yes, I can agree that is "honor," but not in the same manner that routinely gets brought up here.

[Guppy35]

Gotta love how you avoid that which you can't explain away.

What does any of your blathering have to do with a thread talking about players that are admired?  You ca t possibly be that attention starved.

[Masherbrum]

Gotta love how you avoid that which you can't explain away.

What does any of your blathering have to do with a thread talking about players that are admired?  You ca t possibly be that attention starved.

That has been his M.O. the entire time here in AH.   

[Mar]

As I said before, ignore him and he loses.

In fact I'm actually trying out the ignore feature for the first time, it's pretty cool.

[mbailey]

Good idea how does it work again?

[Mar]

Profile>personal message options>ignore list

[Someguy63]

Profile>personal message options>ignore list

Lmao

[68ZooM]

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 More importantly it works better in the game..