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Offline Zerstorer

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Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« on: January 22, 2015, 10:07:02 AM »
Yes or no? 

Please be sure to discuss how you came to your conclusion.

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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2015, 10:09:39 AM »
No
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2015, 10:09:59 AM »
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2015, 10:11:32 AM »
Why?
because we are playing what is infact a game so everything is gamey.
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2015, 10:11:42 AM »
No way,  it's only used by the most elite  acm masters and is totally applicable in the real world too..

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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2015, 10:14:31 AM »
It's not, at all
and is totally applicable in the real world too..

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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2015, 10:14:54 AM »
  Now lets talk about stick stirring......   :bolt:
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2015, 10:19:26 AM »
I would say yes. Doing a tail slide in real combat is a very unwise thing to do.
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2015, 10:19:37 AM »
Why?
After this post Im not going to post another due to a feeling of mine that this thread is mainly a trolling one. Anyways, it would be like saying a locemvac is a gamey move (if it could be preformed... I never could get it). There is a lot of airshow footage of where you can find a "tailslide" If you will. And yes I know they are stunt planes, but I don't see why a war machine couldn't pull it off in a freak occurance.

There is also that famous dogfights video with the p51 shooting down that 109 with a tail slide like move...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBiMM7VGh8
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2015, 10:25:19 AM »
No, a tailslide is NOT gamey. Here is why... it is use of the inertia of the plane, along with the control surfaces to throw the plane into a controlled spin, it's kind of like a flip with a half twist dive. It has been practiced in various stunt planes, which I have personally observed. Good enough?
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2015, 10:25:42 AM »
because we are playing what is infact a game so everything is gamey.

This is actually a good answer!  Thanks Hamhawk!

I asked, btw, because it came up in a discussion recently.  I'm personally on the fence on the matter.

 It seems to fall into the same type of "super-maneuvering" you see with some late generation Russian jets like the Su-27 series (e.g. Pugachev's Cobra, Frolov Chakra, etc).  The fact it's done in a game/sim which models WWII combat is what I have a difficult time with...not saying stuff like this can't be done with these planes...but for the life of me I've never seen any data of it being done IRL.


There is also that famous dogfights video with the p51 shooting down that 109 with a tail slide like move...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuBiMM7VGh8

That's not a "tail slide"....at least not as typically practiced in AH.  That was performed at higher speeds to quickly slow down...not float like a helicopter during a slow stall fight.
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2015, 10:27:18 AM »
No way,  it's only used by the most elite  acm masters and is totally applicable in the real world too..

A true tail slide has been (and still is in Russian doctrine) used in air combat. This is what an actual tail slide looks like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCMaSWuh-4o

The latest Sukhoi aircraft perform this maneuver very well with thrust vectoring.

Aces High version of the "tail slide" has no real life correlation, nor would it work. It's a violent cross-controlled stall performed at a high angle of attack, done to purposely depart the aircraft from controlled flight. Not even modern fighter pilots in current aircraft would do such a maneuver without extensive calculations beforehand, as you highly risk over-G of the aircraft and in-flight breakup. Even if over-G does not happen, the inherently unstable flight condition would send you into a well-developed spin in real life and make recovery very difficult with severe (thousands of feet of) altitude loss.

The ingame version seen commonly is just gaming the torque modeling, and doesn't work anywhere else but AH.

I have to admit that I'm guilty of using it myself from time-to-time. This isn't really a sim, it's a game with sim-like features, and so it's going to allow maneuvers that are gamey. If you want a combat sim, this isn't the right game or crowd.
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2015, 10:28:59 AM »
That's not a "tail slide"....at least not as typically practiced in AH.  That was performed at higher speeds to quickly slow down...not float like a helicopter during a slow stall fight.

Tailslides aren't always used to float so the enemy overshoots in a slow stall fight. Though they often are, there are different kinds. So to speak.
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Re: Is a "tail slide" a gamey move?
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2015, 10:33:18 AM »
its pretty damn gamey and unrealistic, but i'll be damned if its not fun to do
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