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[artik]

By "they" I assume you mean Eagle Dynamics. Their main focus is 1980s cold war...

I'd say not is 1980 but rather was... as with all new aircraft it does not looks like that.

Also lots of guys care about Vietnam plane set.

[fracca]

Vietnam is almost forcefully missing from DCS, as was mentioned they seem to stick with cold war or ww2. Even the huey was made as a 1980's version instead of vietnam era, which was a real shame.

[WaffenVW]

I'd say not is 1980 but rather was... as with all new aircraft it does not looks like that.

They have a few WWII planes and the two primary combatants from Korea. The rest are planes that entered service in the 70s and 80s. What new aircraft are you referring to?

Also lots of guys care about Vietnam plane set.

Not in Russia they don't.

[WaffenVW]

From their news I see they're working on adding the F-5E, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C. All perfect for 1980s cold war.

[WaffenVW]

Here's their road map: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=116893

[Gman]

Don't forget the F14, can't get more Cold War than that, it's probably the most anticipated new module, as well as the F18C.  The F16C is also well under way, which is arguable a Cold War fighter, in fact probably the most numerous one worldwide and in the USAF.

The Nimitz Carrier module/capability - now that will be great for some cold war ops up in the North Atlantic with both the F18 and F14 - they also have the A7 in the pipeline somewhere as well.

A lot of future potential.  I'd love to see a Vietnam map/theater of ops and some specific aircraft from that war.  The Mig21 module could be modified to Vietnam era standards I would think, the Mig15 is there already, Mig17 probably would be similar to that - the possibilities for US aircraft are endless, the F5 will fit great obviously, but an F4 would be a must too, and SO many others.  A6, F8, F100...long list of greats.  I'm sure $ will drive that idea forward at some point, but it's hard not to be happy with their progress with WW2 and modern/Cold war stuff.

It's funny, this company nearly died back 13 or 14 years ago, when it was still SSI, and in early ED days, Carl Norman, a good friend of mine, who was the head cook over there, wrote a pretty impassioned plea for gamers to support them.  I'm happy they did.  I'll post the entire letter he wrote here, but the important stuff is really near the bottom IMO.  FYI Carl survived his heart attack/surgery, and is still making simulation software for DARPA and other places...

Again, DCS came very close to almost never existing at all.

Letter link - http://www.combatsim.com/memb123/htm/2001/02/cnorman/

Excerpt from the end -

I am very, very pleased to now have Tim Goodlett and Matt Wagner on the Team. These Lads and the fine folk at Eagle are just what this project needs to be successful. Tim and Matt are doing an outstanding job on these and our other simulation projects.

The only other thing we really need now is the support of the community. Not just the Flanker community, the entire simulation community. It is time for all of us to support this product line and encourage others to do the same. All of you need to go out and get others interested in this product. Once we start putting up the promotional material on this site for the product we need you to help direct others in the community to get on this forum.

This is our last shot people. I am not kidding when I say that if FA is not successful, that is it - Game over.

Cheers,
Carl

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Carl C. Norman
Director of Product Development
Game Studios / SSI
The Learning Company

[WaffenVW]

Indeed!

[bozon]

By "they" I assume you mean Eagle Dynamics. Their main focus is 1980s cold war. You know, the time period where Russian aircraft were the closest to being on par with U.S. jets, and information on the avionics and weapons capabilities is widely available. The two aircraft you mention, the MiG-21 Bis and the M.2000 fit this time period perfectly. Also, those two aircraft are not actually made by ED, but by third-party companies. You may not find a cold war Eastern-Europe scenario interesting, but then again nor do I think Russians care much about Israeli conflicts.

The Mirage III was not built for Israel you know, and served in airforces other than the IAF during the cold war.

The problem with 1980+ planes is that missiles are grossly over modeled vs real life and BVR combat is stupid. I guess this is why so many people like it.

[WaffenVW]

Gman, Eagle Dynamics was founded in 1991 in Moscow. It's one of the first and longest surviving private companies in modern Russia. After Flanker they did LOMAC which DCS grew out of, kind of...

[Gman]

Yes, with SSI as co developer and the ONLY publisher - again, none of this DCS stuff would have happened, SSI/The Learning Company/ED would have folded had F2 not been successful.  Read the letter. 

What happened later on, after Ubisoft's acquisition of SSI, titles like LOMAC and others developed by ED - complicated, but that doesn't change the past when ED and SSI were partners and essentially the same game company in terms of Flanker/etc products - had SSI folded then, as it was in great danger of doing back in the early F2 days, ED would have lost it's ability to publish, distribute, etc, and likely would have been dragged down into the bankruptcy with SSI.  End of DCS.  Again, it didn't happen due to them making solid products, marketing and supporting them well, and improving greatly over time in terms of the quality of their games. 

[WaffenVW]

I wasn't arguing with anything you wrote.

[Gman]

Ah, rgr that, it's often hard to tell when writing and not conversing. 

I always say that ED is the best thing to come out of Russia since Caviar and Vodka - few gamers/simmers will argue.  Matt "Wags" Wagner is a great asset as well, constantly on Twitch/Youtube showing upcoming products, very open policy when it comes to future projects/plans and such - the community responds well to that, and him.

I often wonder when PCs get fast enough if HT would collaborate with them on a Vietnam MM game what would happen - other than nothing else ever getting done around my house. 

[WaffenVW]

The Mirage III was not built for Israel you know, and served in airforces other than the IAF during the cold war.

The problem with 1980+ planes is that missiles are grossly over modeled vs real life and BVR combat is stupid. I guess this is why so many people like it.

By the 1980s the M.III wasn't a 1st world front line fighter anymore. In French service it was replaced by the Mirage F1 in the early 1970s. The F1 would be a nice addition tho. Good adversary AC for Libya, and ME scenarios.

[WaffenVW]

Ah, rgr that, it's often hard to tell when writing and not conversing. 

I always say that ED is the best thing to come out of Russia since Caviar and Vodka - few gamers/simmers will argue.  Matt "Wags" Wagner is a great asset as well, constantly on Twitch/Youtube showing upcoming products, very open policy when it comes to future projects/plans and such - the community responds well to that, and him.

I often wonder when PCs get fast enough if HT would collaborate with them on a Vietnam MM game what would happen - other than nothing else ever getting done around my house.

Maybe I should have worded it differently. I've often thought about how awesome it would be if HTC would pair up with someone like ED. Probably a pipe dream...

Funny thing about Russia is the stagnant cold war impression of them many still harbor. People speaking of a new cold war with Russia. It's just completely unreal. Few people seem to realize that modern Russia is a lot more like this video:



If you manage to take your eyes off the women and look at what outside the windows of their Mercedes, the cars, the buildings, modern Russia looks quite different than during the dark depressing days of the Soviet Union. As for the women... Soviet women might have been safer drivers, but that's all they have over the modern Russian woman.   

[SFRT - Frenchy]

Whatever but that brunette though    exhausting