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Offline Wmaker

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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2015, 04:29:30 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on March 25, 2015, 04:07:41 PM


Imagine that you are one of the designers of the plane. I'm sure you would simply love to get blaimed without a reason.


Nope, didn't think so.

Quote from: earl1937 on March 25, 2015, 01:08:57 PM
:airplane: Well, good ole "fly by wire" MAY have struck again,

I'm sure everyone involved, what ever their involvement with the accident maybe, would love the accident be discussed in this kind of tone with just a 24h (give or take) of the accident.

No, actually I don't think so.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2015, 04:35:05 PM »
I just hope people would have the decency to simply wait for the final and conclusive accident report before they started typing.


I guess that's just too much to ask these days of the Internet, unfortunately.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2015, 04:36:07 PM »
Quote from: Mister Fork on March 25, 2015, 04:05:34 PM
...but that still wouldn't explain why autopilot went off line.

Again speculation. You have no way of knowing if the aircraft descended on autopilot or not.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2015, 04:39:56 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on March 25, 2015, 04:29:30 PM
Imagine that you are one of the designers of the plane. I'm sure you simply loved to get blaimed without a reason.


Nope, didn't think so.

So now I have to be a designer of the aircraft to wonder what may have happened?  I didn't start WW2 but am intrested in why it happened, can I diacuss that? I didn't design any type of automobile, but I suppose I shouldn't discuss them as well. Hmmmmm lets see, I've also never designed a firearm, and like discussing shooting....well now that's out the window. Guess my interest in fishing and fishing gear gives me no right to discuss them as well, being that I've never designed any that is.



Your statement is rediculous, and borderline idiotic.

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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2015, 04:44:52 PM »
Quote from: PR3D4TOR on March 25, 2015, 04:36:07 PM
Again speculation. You have no way of knowing if the aircraft descended on autopilot or not.

Correct, he was discussing what may have happened. Until it is properly investigated no one will know, but it doesn't mean a discussion should be off limits.

His phrase " And as aviation enthusiasts, we're all curious as to what would cause a really really reliable aircraft to nose dive especially with all the safety systems built into the Airbus. "
Speaks to our curiosity as to what may have happened.....nothing wrong with that.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2015, 04:45:08 PM »
Discuss whatever you like, but stick to the facts. Earl made an accusatory post against the aircraft manufacturer speculating on a number of what ifs that are not relevant to the A320. Almost all his speculations are based on erroneous facts. He didn't even get the country right!
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2015, 04:47:24 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on March 25, 2015, 04:44:52 PM
Correct, he was discussing what may have happened.

No he categorically stated that the autopilot "went off line". He did not speculate that it might have gone off line.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2015, 05:10:05 PM »
Just got this from pprune.org on Airbus pilots discussing the accident...

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According to Finnish CAA in Finnish newpaper Helsingin Sanomat, the CVR has revealed crew was unconscious in the start of descent. So looks like Helios 2.

So indeed it does appear it is like the Greek accident of Helios airline.

And the Airbus 320 the book says for emergency descent:

PNF PF
1. ST BELT ON 1. TURN ALT, PULL ALT
2. ENG MODE SEL IGN 2. TURN HDG, PULL HDG
3.ATC CODE 7700 3. PULL SPEED
4.ATC MAYDAY 4. SPEED BRAKE EXTENDED
5. PAX SYZ ON

I'm guessing they never got past PF1 before they were unconscious.  Also, the Airbus has built in overspeed protection - so they may have just disengaged the autopilot before going unconscious - and it went nose down - and even with full throttle the overspeed protection on descent kicks in...again just speculation.

Either way, very sad.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2015, 05:14:03 PM »
More info:

Anonymous posting here:

http://avherald.com/h?article=483a5651&opt=0

Structural failure
By Uknown on Wednesday, Mar 25th 2015 09:01Z

CVR data has been read. It seems structural failure (windshield? not determined yet)..It was quick... sound of cracks,but crew initiated emergency descent by autopilot and then they weren't heard anymore. Autopilot was on during whole descent, but disconnected automatically shortly before impact when GPWS alerts appeared.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2015, 05:17:05 PM »
Quote from: mbailey on March 25, 2015, 04:39:56 PM
Your statement is rediculous, and borderline idiotic.

Your statement wasn't borderline idiotic.
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2015, 05:23:26 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on March 25, 2015, 05:17:05 PM
Your statement wasn't borderline idiotic.

Well looks like we agree on one thing
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2015, 06:11:57 PM »
 ....and there it went....past over the head...


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...and who could have know? Well...I know there a folks on this board who can answer that question.  :D
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2015, 06:19:31 PM »
Quote from: Wmaker on March 25, 2015, 06:11:57 PM
....and there it went....past over the head...




   nope not at all......whoosh  :rolleyes:
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2015, 10:52:04 PM »
...and slammed against the back wall, walked over and pinched him on the bum and he still didn't get it... :azn:

Anyways...CNN is reporting now that the pilot was locked out of the cabin - and was trying to bash in the door to get back in before it crashed.

Wtfh.  More speculation or subjective guesses... :rolleyes:
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Re: Airbus A320
« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2015, 02:50:01 AM »
Right now it doesnt say very much, he could have been taking a leak and the other pilot became incapacitated for some reason. Too early to talk about extended suicide or terrorrism. After all speed and alt data suggest they flew on auto pilot.
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