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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2015, 06:17:02 AM »
The discussion about guns is fine.  Please stay out of the political aspect of it.
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #46 on: May 21, 2015, 09:25:46 AM »
When I see someone open carry in an urban or suburban area all I think is "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, NO OVER HERE, LOOK AT ME !!!!!!"
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2015, 10:04:49 AM »
The thing I think the law addresses here is concealed carry mishaps, the law will only apply to concealed carry holders, not everyone, but if you are concealed, at the Walmart , bending over to get your cat liter and your pistol shows for 6 seconds or so,, you don't have to worry about someone turning you in for open carry!   just a thought!
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2015, 12:22:09 PM »
whiskey, bend at the knees.



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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2015, 12:47:54 PM »
Yeah well put in about 30 years workin' for a livin' and those knees might let you do that once a day...maybe. I know a dude who's knees crack so bad it makes his dog jump.

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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #50 on: May 21, 2015, 12:52:35 PM »
Just sayin!  It ain't me, I hate cats!   Lol. ( cat laying on my toes)
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #51 on: May 21, 2015, 01:08:04 PM »
Long guns are legal to carry openly.




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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #52 on: May 21, 2015, 02:20:12 PM »
Yeah well put in about 30 years workin' for a livin' and those knees might let you do that once a day...maybe. I know a dude who's knees crack so bad it makes his dog jump.

Too old to run, to young to die.

yeah well i got 35 years working.  left ankle tore 1 1/2 ligaments last year.  this year it was my right foot and back's turn.  on top of that I have neuropathy which makes my legs and arms hurt pretty bad.  but I still have to go to work and pick up heavy stuff.

was so proud of myself 2 weeks ago.  I was able to run 50 yards.  havent tried again since then I may start liking jogging again and dont want to take any chances  :old:.


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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #53 on: May 21, 2015, 02:41:10 PM »

I think everyone agrees that Wiley has a right to bare arms.  Hey, if Ink gets involved, Wiley's bare arms could be artistic.

That said, you haven't addressed the issue of why anyone would want to open carry (except as Widewing noted, if you're hiking).  It makes you a target.  It scares women and children.  It steers others to join the Brady Center.  What in the world does the carrier get out of it in return, except perhaps a sense of pride that translates to "Hey, look at me!  I have a real gun!  And a Three Wolf Moon t-shirt!  Arnold Schwarzenegger is my best bud!  Want to have a drink?"

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Let me tell ya'll about open carry and the % of those who actually use their firearms for their intended purpose.  Apart from the fact that 10% of cops are killed by assailants stealing their weapon and turning in on them, why would you want to even advertise the fact you're armed? 

To me, if I was a criminal, the fact you're carrying a open weapon tells me a lot about you and makes committing a crime against you that much easier. And then, if you are an open-carry, if confronted, you have to be 'programmed' to shoot to kill, and shoot accurately with a really crappy weapon for accuracy and not accidently hit a loved one or innocent because you'll be charged with manslaughter.  And so on it goes.  And if a crook has half a brain, you're showing them what you got and how truly vulnerable you are.

If you insist on carrying a weapon, get a concealed permit.  And then get to the range to get good at shooting effectively and accurately without thinking. Because if you cannot shoot well without thinking, you may be better and safer by keep your guns for the range because you're a liability to others and your family/self.

And you cannot say 'oh look at the Canuck - land of no guns'.... well.... strange fact...when it comes to guns-per-capita, Canada isn't that much different than the US - we're 12th on the list for weapons-per - like 31/100. We just have carry laws that make practical sense and hence our low death rate from guns.  Ask Switzerland  how well their new gun laws are working yet still have a very high weapons/per.
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #54 on: May 21, 2015, 02:54:10 PM »
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Let me tell ya'll about open carry and the % of those who actually use their firearms for their intended purpose.  Apart from the fact that 10% of cops are killed by assailants stealing their weapon and turning in on them, why would you want to even advertise the fact you're armed? 

To me, if I was a criminal, the fact you're carrying a open weapon tells me a lot about you and makes committing a crime against you that much easier. And then, if you are an open-carry, if confronted, you have to be 'programmed' to shoot to kill, and shoot accurately with a really crappy weapon for accuracy and not accidently hit a loved one or innocent because you'll be charged with manslaughter.  And so on it goes.  And if a crook has half a brain, you're showing them what you got and how truly vulnerable you are.

If you insist on carrying a weapon, get a concealed permit.  And then get to the range to get good at shooting effectively and accurately without thinking. Because if you cannot shoot well without thinking, you may be better and safer by keep your guns for the range because you're a liability to others and your family/self.

Vaccinations don't work when only 1%, 10%, or even 20% are vaccinated - a large majority has to partake for it to be effective. The right to bear arms was intended to work similarly. The majority was supposed to be armed, so that it didn't matter if you could see if someone was armed or not, as anyone and everyone else around you likely was. In today's society, carrying weapons in any capacity is still a minority in most communities (regardless of how accepted it is).

Your argument fails to address this, and focuses on the open carry aspect instead of the fact that the open carrier is likely the only carrier in the area.

If you switch your example to a community where 65% of the community carries a weapon (either concealed or otherwise), it wouldn't matter who was carrying openly, even with a criminal present, because he has a 2 in 3 chance of running into someone else armed.

The issue with open carry is not open carry itself, it's the fact that carrying a weapon is rare enough as it is that it makes you a target of opportunity, just like driving a Lamborghini in downtown Detroit would make you a prime target not because of the Lamborghini, but rather the fact they aren't common given the populace. The police in England used to have (and still do, to some degree) the exact same issue of having their weapons stolen.
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #55 on: May 21, 2015, 03:03:15 PM »
Vaccinations don't work when only 1%, 10%, or even 20% are vaccinated - a large majority has to partake for it to be effective. The right to bear arms was intended to work similarly. The majority was supposed to be armed, so that it didn't matter if you could see if someone was armed or not, as anyone and everyone else around you likely was. In today's society, carrying weapons in any capacity is still a minority in most communities (regardless of how accepted it is).

Your argument fails to address this, and focuses on the open carry aspect instead of the fact that the open carrier is likely the only carrier in the area.

If you switch your example to a community where 65% of the community carries a weapon (either concealed or otherwise), it wouldn't matter who was carrying openly, even with a criminal present, because he has a 2 in 3 chance of running into someone else armed.

The issue with open carry is not open carry itself, it's the fact that carrying a weapon is rare enough as it is that it makes you a target of opportunity, just like driving a Lamborghini in downtown Detroit would make you a prime target. The police in England used to have (and still do, to some degree) the exact same issue of having their weapons stolen.

A community with 65% conceal permits is far safer than a community of 65% open carry because I trust those who have them concealed to be more a professional weapons owner.  And if you're not programmed to shoot without thinking and shoot well, keep it home. I'm saying this as a military veteran and former weapons instructor.  And I sadly know what it takes to pull a trigger - besides, open carrying a weapon to deter crime and then shoot out of fear is it ever going to end well? I'm not saying you're not allowed to carry, I'm saying from experience how to carry effectively to protect yourself as someone who managed and taught weapons handling as part of their job.
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #56 on: May 21, 2015, 06:31:27 PM »
Hunting aside:
Concealed is for protection.
Open is for attention.
There are no two ways about this.
I would trust the ability to properly handle the weapon to the person who chooses concealed because they know why they are carrying in the first place and are vastly more likely to understand the full consequence of what their "right" entails. IMO of course.
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #57 on: May 21, 2015, 08:23:03 PM »
This is still fear of other humans because of how they choose to do something that you have no control over. Your wife or a friend is more likely to accidentally drop a hammer on your head while helping on a project, than someone open carrying deciding you need an extra hole in your body or having an accidental discharge.

There would be no conversation here if you were not afraid of the minuscule possibility of your own mortality if someone other than yourself is openly carrying a fire arm. We would still be having this conversation over the public carrying of short swords if that were the personal arm of today. And the one with the most experience would always say the rest of you are unqualified because his experience trumps everyone else's life.

The real conversation being convoluted, is the fear of mortality by not having control of others when they carry a weapon. Be honest and have that conversation. But, then Skuzzy would have to lock this post for all the name calling and references to constitutional and natural rights, and admissions of how much some distrust others to even brush their teeth in a public space that would erupt. 
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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #58 on: May 21, 2015, 09:02:38 PM »
When I see someone open carry in an urban or suburban area all I think is "LOOK AT ME, LOOK AT ME, NO OVER HERE, LOOK AT ME !!!!!!"

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Re: Open carry Texas
« Reply #59 on: May 21, 2015, 09:52:29 PM »
This is still fear of other humans because of how they choose to do something that you have no control over. Your wife or a friend is more likely to accidentally drop a hammer on your head while helping on a project, than someone open carrying deciding you need an extra hole in your body or having an accidental discharge.


Once again, and more slowly this time, Bustr...  It's not about personal fear.  It's about looking at the situation at all critically.

What are the odds of someone whose entire training process consisted of:

Purchase gun.
Load gun.
Wear gun.

being an asset should it ever become time to use it?

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