LA7 Usage: WWII vs. AH

[Lusche]

Hitting power is only part of the equation. The Hispanos are nearly as point-and-click as the Browning .50cal, and have double the rate of fire of the 103. It's much easier to get rounds on target with the Hispanos.

The  Mk 103 has an excellent long range trajectory  which is even more laser like than the Hispanos.

[Karnak]

The  Mk 103 has an excellent long range trajectory  which is even more laser like than the Hispanos.

The problem with the Mk103s are that they are tied to what is, probably by a significant margin, the worst handling fighter in the game.  Hispanos are mounted on fighters that range from adequate to outstanding.  If the Mk103s were mounted on a competent airframe people would have a better understanding of their performance.

[bozon]

The problem with the Mk103s are that they are tied to what is, probably by a significant margin, the worst handling fighter in the game.  Hispanos are mounted on fighters that range from adequate to outstanding.  If the Mk103s were mounted on a competent airframe people would have a better understanding of their performance.

I have a feeling that the MK103 are part of why it is the worst handling fighter in the game. Those things are big and heavy.
On the other hand, just one of those suckers is enough for any job.

[Karnak]

I have a feeling that the MK103 are part of why it is the worst handling fighter in the game. Those things are big and heavy.
On the other hand, just one of those suckers is enough for any job.

Nah, its the worst handling no matter which guns you pick, even the lightest ones.   

[save]

If you learn how to use its rear defensive 13mm, which squaddie Torquila did, its not defenceless - flying it smart.
For some reason they reach out and more than touch at 1k out.

[Mister Fork]

ROFL.

The La-7 can RUN from a CHog, but beat it 1v1 9 times out of 10 is laughable.

You've flown the La-7 right Saxman to validate that comment? Cause I've seen nothing in your reply that indicates WHY you think it's laughable.

La-7 Vs F4U-1C (up to 23k)
La-7 is:
- much higher maximum speeds (low alt)
- accelerates quicker
- waaay faster top-end acceleration
- tighter turn radius (no flaps)

At altitude, it MIGHT be a fair fight, but the La-7 will still out accelerate the CHOG even without WEP.

The La-7 is a beast. And it's just based on personal experience and the facts. 

And the good news about flight characteristic facts, they're true whether or not you believe in them.

[Widewing]

By the end of the way the Soviets were producing an La-10. I don't know what was improved over the -7 but apparently it was somewhat ubber. It would fit into the "Post-War Monster" category like the F8F Bearcat and the PonyN.

boo

The La-10 wasn't remotely close to the F8F in overall performance. Nothing else with a prop was...

[Mister Fork]

The La-10 wasn't remotely close to the F8F in overall performance. Nothing else with a prop was...

Yeah, the Bearcat is the lion king of all beasts in the air. Too bad it arrived later WWII to have an impact.

[Scca]

You've flown the La-7 right Saxman to validate that comment? Cause I've seen nothing in your reply that indicates WHY you think it's laughable.

La-7 Vs F4U-1C (up to 23k)
La-7 is:
- much higher maximum speeds (low alt)
- accelerates quicker
- waaay faster top-end acceleration
- tighter turn radius (no flaps)

At altitude, it MIGHT be a fair fight, but the La-7 will still out accelerate the CHOG even without WEP.

The La-7 is a beast. And it's just based on personal experience and the facts. 

And the good news about flight characteristic facts, they're true whether or not you believe in them.

Bolded part - But the Hog's DO have flaps, and they work really well. 

In the end, it's the mechanic, not the tool, so all this emotion about the LA-7 (or any other plane) is just excusing away suckage. Die a lot, and you will learn how to not die so often.  Accept each death as a chance to learn how not to die.  Lastly, have fun.  It is a game after all...

[Skyyr]

Bolded part - But the Hog's DO have flaps, and they work really well. 

In the end, it's the mechanic, not the tool, so all this emotion about the LA-7 (or any other plane) is just excusing away suckage. Die a lot, and you will learn how to not die so often.  Accept each death as a chance to learn how not to die.  Lastly, have fun.  It is a game after all...

Some tools are better than others.  The F4U cannot consistently beat the LA-7 below 10k, all other things being equal. It might get a lucky kill every several fights due to lucky snapshots, pilot wounds on the LA-7, etc., but overall it is dominated by the LA-7. Now, it can run and go above 12k, and continue to climb outside of the LA-7's primary operational envelope, but the LA-7 can do the same thing by staying low.

The F4U series simply does not have the acceleration and vertical maneuvering capabilities to compete with the LA-7 in an energy fight, and it doesn't maneuver well enough at high speed to force a turnfight. The only aspect the F4U dominates in is angle fighting below 300mph (or thereabouts), but at that point it can't sustain an energy fight which the LA-7 can then force. It simply just can't.

Most players don't realize this because they're used to climbing to alt and then diving on LA-7's and other aircraft with an E advantage, and then attribute their success to the aircraft and not the lopsided circumstances. Put into a co-alt situation (and even maybe a slight alt advantage), the F4U is outclassed.

Anyone here interested in doing some 1v1 in the DA or a custom arena, LA-7 (me) vs F4U? It'd probably be a good opportunity for demonstrating what is being discussed here.

[Scca]

Some tools are better than others.  The F4U cannot consistently beat the LA-7 below 10k, all other things being equal. It might get a lucky kill every several fights due to lucky snapshots, pilot wounds on the LA-7, etc., but overall it is dominated by the LA-7. Now, it can run and go above 12k, and continue to climb outside of the LA-7's primary operational envelope, but the LA-7 can do the same thing by staying low.

The F4U series simply does not have the acceleration and vertical maneuvering capabilities to compete with the LA-7 in an energy fight, and it doesn't maneuver well enough at high speed to force a turnfight. The only aspect the F4U dominates in is angle fighting below 300mph (or thereabouts), but at that point it can't sustain an energy fight which the LA-7 can then force. It simply just can't.

Most players don't realize this because they're used to climbing to alt and then diving on LA-7's and other aircraft with an E advantage, and then attribute their success to the aircraft and not the lopsided circumstances. Put into a co-alt situation (and even maybe a slight alt advantage), the F4U is outclassed.

Anyone here interested in doing some 1v1 in the DA or a custom arena, LA-7 (me) vs F4U? It'd probably be a good opportunity for demonstrating what is being discussed here.

How about I arrange something between you and AKRaven. Him in a hellcat, you in an LA. Deal though is, you have to post the film, win or lose.

[Skyyr]

How about I arrange something between you and AKRaven. Him in a hellcat, you in an LA. Deal though is, you have to post the film, win or lose.

That's perfectly fine, although I question why you would 1) change the aircraft and 2) volunteer someone else. We're discussing the merits of the F4U, specifically the 1c variant, and you made statements that it's the player, not the plane. If that is the case, I would assume you would want to be able to prove that. Switching to another player and a completely different airframe defeats the idea from the beginning, as the results then have little value to this discussion.

Either way, I'm game. PM inbound.

[Scca]

That's perfectly fine, although I question why you would 1) change the aircraft and 2) volunteer someone else. We're discussing the merits of the F4U, specifically the 1c variant, and you made statements that it's the player, not the plane. If that is the case, I would assume you would want to be able to prove that. Switching to another player and a completely different airframe defeats the idea from the beginning, as the results then have little value to this discussion.

Either way, I'm game. PM inbound.

Given that the Hellcat is far inferior to the C-hog, a hellcat should be a piece of cake right?  Raven, I feel is a good stick, and perhaps is good enough to overcome what you feel is a superior plane, with you, a superior pilot.  Seems like a win win for you... unless of course, you lose...

[Skyyr]

Given that the Hellcat is far inferior to the C-hog, a hellcat should be a piece of cake right?  Raven, I feel is a good stick, and perhaps is good enough to overcome what you feel is a superior plane, with you, a superior pilot.  Seems like a win win for you... unless of course, you lose...

I've fought Raven several times and, indeed, the Hellcat is inferior (especially against the LA-7). Again, I have no issue with accepting such a fight (as I've already sent you a PM asking for the date and time).

The issue is that the results of such a matchup offer little value to this discussion, which was a debate over how the F4U would perform relative to the LA-7. A matchup between the two would serve as a visual for comparing theoretical performance against actual (functional) performance; simply, it would be a good supplement to the discussion (and might actually change some opinions). It was never about "X pilot can beat Y pilot."

But like I said, I'm down for whatever.

[Scca]

I've fought Raven several times and, indeed, the Hellcat is inferior (especially against the LA-7). Again, I have no issue with accepting such a fight (as I've already sent you a PM asking for the date and time).

The issue is that the results of such a matchup offer little value to this discussion, which was a debate over how the F4U would perform relative to the LA-7. A matchup between the two would serve as a visual for comparing theoretical performance against actual (functional) performance; simply, it would be a good supplement to the discussion (and might actually change some opinions). It was never about "X pilot can beat Y pilot."

But like I said, I'm down for whatever.

In order to compare the two planes, you would have to have two people, equally good in both planes, switch between the two enough times to actually make a valid comparison.  Simple scientific method really...

If I for instance took up your challenge, I would likely lose regardless of which plane I flew.  I don't have time to play 3-4 hours a day like you, so this would go more to prove my theory it's more the mechanic than the tool.  I also know you love to duel, which is also a learned task, only a small amount of which transfers over to the MA.  I don't get "jazzed" by the joust like you do, so again, me against you in a duel proves zippy. 

More on topic, even though we all can agree that "all things equal", the LA is likely to win more than it loses, never in the MA are things "equal".  Someone is always higher/faster/slower, and most importantly more skilled/less skilled than you are.  For the top 5%, I don't think it matters in the least what they fly, they will win LOTS more than they lose.  Since you have more play time than the average teenager works a summer job, I bet if you get out of your 190 and LALA, and into a high eny ride, I bet you will still have great success...  I still say, in the MA, the player is a greater factor than any of the tools...