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Offline PR3D4TOR

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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #240 on: August 11, 2015, 08:35:09 AM »
Bigotry is ugly and wrong no matter what form it takes, and must be confronted at every opportunity. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil etc...
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #241 on: August 11, 2015, 08:37:57 AM »
Just live and let live and punt this thread already
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #242 on: August 11, 2015, 08:44:56 AM »
Bigotry is ugly and wrong no matter what form it takes, and must be confronted at every opportunity. The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil etc...

So intolerance, to you, is when someone disagrees with you on a sensitive subject?  I can accept your view but still think it's wrong.  It seems the issue only comes up when we talk about issues like this where everyone is falling all over themselves to appear very, very tolerant.  To me, bigotry would be something along the lines of Skuzzy coming in and shutting the thread down not because it violated a rule, but because he doesn't like the transsexuals.  That's intolerance.  Expressing an opinion isn't bigotry.
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #243 on: August 11, 2015, 08:57:38 AM »
meh never mind
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #244 on: August 11, 2015, 09:12:23 AM »
Great cause, wrong venue. 

Get your head around this.  No one is crapping on Serenity.  They are crapping on his choice. 

PS - there are 5000X more kids starving to death in the U.S. than gays being killed.  Let's prioritize please.

When you state:

... this venue is totally inappropriate for personal, sexual, perspective and sexual experience-sharing.  No offense to the OP but that's the difference between maturity (knowing the appropriate venue) and immaturity.

What you doing is framing the issue in some sort of sexual (and I suppose "unnatural") act(s) framework.

That is not what it is about.

It is about people who care and love each other.

That is appropriate.

When you view or frame the issue as some sort of sexual issue you end up with people wondering about "unnatural acts" and whether or not those people are going to have access to their daughter's bathroom in high school.

IMO his "choice" was fine.





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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #245 on: August 11, 2015, 09:36:21 AM »
People are displaying and discussing all kinds of family related topics on this bbs. Everything from baby pics to kids getting married to Earl getting updated on the dating scene. This thread is nothing different...
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #246 on: August 11, 2015, 09:47:41 AM »
Expressing an opinion isn't bigotry.

That depends on the opinion. If you express the opinion that black people are inferior and should not have relationships with whites, you are a bigot. If you express the opinion that gays are immoral and you don't approve of them having sexual relations, your are a bigot. If you express the opinion that Jews are filthy and should be killed you will be jailed in several countries for committing a hate crime.

Everyone has the right to express their opinions, but that doesn't mean there won't be consequences.
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #247 on: August 11, 2015, 10:06:24 AM »
Individuals who not only appear, but identify, in every possible way, as female, are NOT gay men.

Yes.  They are.

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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #248 on: August 11, 2015, 10:11:45 AM »
its about the age of 20.  you have known everything for a hwile now and your looking to put it all together.  the truth is within reach and you can almost figure it out and save the world.  and now we hit 30. the world is out there but it a pain in the butt to save and your wife needs 200$ for the day. the 20 year olds are still talking about the right path to choose and you can tell he just does not get it but you give him props for his effort and wish him well.

Dude ... parenting words of wisdom right here.  :salute
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #249 on: August 11, 2015, 10:19:45 AM »
my cat triton's arse is incredibly ranc today can we discuss that instead?
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #250 on: August 11, 2015, 10:27:43 AM »
When you state:

What you doing is framing the issue in some sort of sexual (and I suppose "unnatural") act(s) framework.

That is not what it is about.

It is about people who care and love each other.

That is appropriate.

When you view or frame the issue as some sort of sexual issue you end up with people wondering about "unnatural acts" and whether or not those people are going to have access to their daughter's bathroom in high school.

IMO his "choice" was fine.

He framed it sexually.  Not me. I suggest you go back and reread the OP. As I clearly stated, he could have worded this in way that would have gotten all manner of support.

Now again I ask you to prioritize.  500 kids a day dying of starvation in the U.S. or 10 transsexuals being murdered every year (which is totally unacceptable as well).  Please don't nibble on your answer.  Please provide one.
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #251 on: August 11, 2015, 10:30:27 AM »
There are no reason for not working at those 2 issues simultaneously.
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #252 on: August 11, 2015, 10:33:01 AM »
Well, despite what anyone says, I'd like to salute Serenity (and his partner, if they get back together) for having the cojones to come forward. Takes a lot of testosterone.

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That being said, is this really an appropriate discussion for a game forum? Whatever happened to personal choices being personal choices and leaving them at that?
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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #253 on: August 11, 2015, 11:02:06 AM »
Hold on to your butts kids, this is gonna be a doozy!

We'll isn't that the reaction you were looking for?

No, not at all. The reaction I was looking for is "Maybe we shouldn't be hating a fellow human being who is having absolutely no effect on our personal lives". But I can see how, with the other people posting in this thread, it's hard to tell that there ARE posts on the internet that aren't trolls trying to pick a fight.

He quite simply could have typed this differently and received a much better, supportive response.

If you think I'm seeking your support for my decisions, you're a fool. People here can call names all they want, they can spew insults, and I'll read it, take a deep breath, climb on my motorcycle, ride over to an $8 million airplane and go burn holes in the sky upside down for a few hours and forget all about it. And the best part is THEY'LL be paying for it! :D

What I DO want is not to have to worry, every time my ex goes for a jog, or walks to the store, if she's going to make it home. What I want is for people to recognize that these individuals they are spewing acidic hate at are HUMANS, just like you, just attempting to live their lives, like you, and that respecting, appreciating, or at the bare minimum, NOT HATING them doesn't make you anything different than you already are. In fact, it shows that you have actually evolved your conscience to realize that even if everything isn't as YOU think it should be, it's okay to let people live their lives, unmolested (Verbally as well, not just physically) when their lives aren't directly affecting you.

This makes sense and it's a very good question. Everyone is trying to pretend to be war heroes 70 years after the event and this come along. It's neither right nor wrong, just irrelevant.

It's about as relevant as the Bruce Genner thread (As that's what originally got people PMing me, asking questions), it's as relevant as Earl's dating posts, shall I continue?

Now again I ask you to prioritize.  500 kids a day dying of starvation in the U.S. or 10 transsexuals being murdered every year (which is totally unacceptable as well).  Please don't nibble on your answer.  Please provide one.

Very simple. People are not starving because someone is choosing to FORCE them to starve. Transexuals are dieing because someone is making an active choice to pick up a weapon and end their life. There is a long train of events, and many individual and governmental issues leading to a starving individual. There is just one that leads to someone taking a weapon and ending someone's life. Is starvation important? Absolutely. Are there millions of problems to be handled in this nation? Yes. But the issue of people dieing from acts of violence I think is THE biggest issue in our society. And it's not just in the LGBT community. I chose to address that aspect, because it DOES personally affect me, and we have already seen the "White lives matter, black lives matter" bits recently. LGBT murders are no less significant than any other hate-based murder.

And that's the saddest thing about this whole post. I'm not asking for you or anyone else to validate my decisions. I'm VERY happy with my life. I'm not asking anyone to decide that they want to be with/be a transgendered individual. I'm not asking you to change your views on religion or the afterlife. All I'm asking is for people to recognize that maybe, as human beings, it's a little more important to stop hating and attacking (Verbally or physically) someone just because they don't share your views. Maybe, JUST MAYBE, if we started treating people based on their treatment of us, and not how WE think they should live their lives, we might not have those problems like starvation, and segregation. Compassion flows at all levels.

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Re: Warning: Gender bending
« Reply #254 on: August 11, 2015, 11:04:38 AM »
Serenity this is not the time or place.. this thread should end
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