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Offline Patches1

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2015, 10:19:42 PM »
<tongue-in-cheek>Hunkering down in my survival bunker with all weapons locked and loaded waiting for the economy Zombies to scare the pants off of me!</tongue-in-cheek>

<tongue-in-cheek>I'm curious...how did the fall of the Greek economy make the Chinese economy fall?</tongue-in-cheek>

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2015, 10:23:17 PM »
There's nothing to worry about.  I reload my own ammo.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2015, 10:28:28 PM »
The markets been artificially inflated by multi million dollar investors for years, it's about time it comes back down to reality.
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2015, 11:17:16 PM »
Sit back, hold tight, buy some cheap shares of the company you've been eyeing for the past 8 months. Profit. This was a nasty correction but it needed to happen.

My belief is that those cheap shares will get very much cheaper.  The market is not down much yet from its peak.  We haven't seen nasty yet.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2015, 12:06:21 AM »
:aok
And like in '08-'09, there will be those who are foolish to sell off everything.
Ebb and flow, that's the market. It's not for the faint of heart either. So if you do sell off, remember I'll be there buying it when it is near the bottom, just like I did in 09.

If you sold off late 2007 or very early 2008, you avoided a 50% drawdown.  The market didn't get back to breakeven until 5 years later.  People knew the real-estate market was completely nuts by late 2007, but only some people knew how gigantically insane the mortgage and derivatives market was.  So, there was an inkling to get out for all, but a strong warning only to experts.  So, not the strongest of warnings for the average person, I grant you.

In 2000, the warning was there for everyone, as the .com bubble was enormously clear.  For people who sold off in 2000, they avoided a 50% drawdown on the S&P 500 and an 80% drawdown on the Nasdaq.  It took the S&P seven years to get back to that level, and then it promptly crashed again and took another 5 years to get back to that level.  The Nasdaq only now is about where it was in 2000 -- 15 years later.

Today, in my opinion, we have very clear warnings.  We have had:
-- the unprecedented 7 years of interest rates at zero,
-- trillions of dollars in free money,
-- crazy charts of monetary base,
-- crazy amounts of reserves at the Fed,
-- crazy Fed balance sheet,
-- much larger debt than at the peak of 2008,
-- enormously more money in derivatives than at the peak of 2008,
-- housing prices that are nearing their peaks of 2008,
-- Shiller PE/Tobin's Q that (prior to the last 3 days) at the 4th highest mark in history (the other three being just prior to gigantic crashes),
-- historically gigantic levels of margin debt in the US and China,
-- Bank of Japan printing money to buy the bonds issued by Japan, monetizing their debt,
-- China building ghost cities,
-- periods of negative interest rates across large swaths of European government debt,
-- horrible percent of Americans fully employed (and we have it great compared to young people in Europe).

Additionally, in recent weeks:
-- Greece is finally in its end game of default,
-- Puerto Rico has defaulted on its debt,
-- Commodities (especially oil and copper) are crashing,
-- China's absurdly valued stock market has finally started its crash, which can't even be stopped by the totalitarian power of the Chinese government making shorting illegal, ordering many institutions to buy stocks at any value, arresting speculators here and there, stopping trading on half or more of their stocks, pouring trillions of renminbi into the purchase of stocks.

Today, the US market has had a day where stocks such as JP Morgan Chase, CVS, Home Depot, Verizon, and many others gapped down 20% (!) at the beginning of the day before climbing up to only a several-percent loss.

I understand the buy-and-hold argument.  I understand that timing is usually difficult.  I understand that I could be wrong -- but to me things seem very ominous right now.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2015, 12:59:26 AM »
Is Rand Paul correct with his warnings?
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« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2015, 01:41:10 AM »
roomer out there that china called the US debt.  US has 30 days to come up with 17 Trillion or default.
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2015, 01:46:41 AM »
Recession :rofl

Safe banks :rofl

The Chinese population dont give a wet fart about monertary problems, having food on the table is good enough for them.

Its only clowns with credit cards who poo thier pants.

The end is nigh apparently :rofl

Its the North koreans again or maybe the French, yes its the French using the immigrants at Dover to destabilise the IMF and the Yanky dollar.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2015, 02:19:20 AM »
Recession :rofl

Safe banks :rofl

The Chinese population dont give a wet fart about monertary problems, having food on the table is good enough for them.

Its only clowns with credit cards who poo thier pants.

The end is nigh apparently :rofl

Its the North koreans again or maybe the French, yes its the French using the immigrants at Dover to destabilise the IMF and the Yanky dollar.

That's only partially correct.  It's the Illuminati influencing the French (through old ties with the Knights Templar) to use immigrants to destabilize the UK political framework, and it's the Illuminati influencing the North Koreans (the Kim line are reverse Manchurian candidates secretly controlled through the Bilderberg Group) to blow up Chinese port facilities in order to destabilize the Chinese stock market.  Both are mere diversions for what is coming next.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2015, 03:34:16 AM »
I don't believe we were ever out of a recession.

And like Morph said, corrections make good buying opportunities. Timing it, that is much more difficult.

OP, if you don't know what the definition of a "market correction" is, you've got a long way to go before you should be looking at investing...jus sayin.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2015, 06:11:57 AM »
I'm curious...how did the fall of the Greek economy make the Chinese economy fall?

Ignorance is bliss!

Because it is a double reverse false flag operation.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2015, 08:28:30 AM »
That's only partially correct.  It's the Illuminati influencing the French (through old ties with the Knights Templar) to use immigrants to destabilize the UK political framework, and it's the Illuminati influencing the North Koreans (the Kim line are reverse Manchurian candidates secretly controlled through the Bilderberg Group) to blow up Chinese port facilities in order to destabilize the Chinese stock market.  Both are mere diversions for what is coming next.
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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2015, 08:34:34 AM »
:rofl

Doom off,
 China lowered the interest rates; DoW futures up 500 points; 5 min before opening ; :banana:
I can drink my fluoridated coffee and enjoy the chemtrails  :rock

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2015, 08:54:38 AM »
I don't know, my wife and I got our fingers burned the last time after our 'safe investment' took a huge hit. It's only just recovered. We bought in in 2007 just before it all went bad. What was really annoying was the people who invested in 2009 caught the rising wave but we were screwed because it took so long to get back our original investment.

I think we need to get out now and wait for it to bottom again. Then re-invest. We can get out now without taking a hit.

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Re: Stock markets doom !
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2015, 11:43:53 AM »
I ran the archive for RBS in Ireland. (first active)

Giving mortgages to people who could not obviously afford to pay it back.

 :rofl

Sorry its not North Korea fault its Irans fault i think or Iraq or Syria.

Has anyone questioned Woody Allen, he is a wrong un and looks the sort to destabilise the finacial system.
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