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Offline Peanut1

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2015, 10:59:53 PM »
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2015, 11:32:09 PM »
This is precisely why this thread is so ironic, coming from a member of this squad. 

Just watch one twitch feed video and you'll see the exact same attitude the OP is complaining about demonstrated, and even boasted about, by their own CO.  Running away to quickly ditch, then taunting on 200 "denied you a kill" and laughing about it on squad vox -- one unedited twitch film will show more of this attitude than you'll see in a week from others playing AH.  I feel sorry for the OP, being too blinded by loyalty to see it, while goose-stepping along here on the BBS to the same old tune.  Meanwhile the boss tries to chest-thump and deflect from the truth.

The really sad part is the repeated "we never start anything with other players" lie that is uttered over and over.  The films show this is absolutely untrue.  I've seen insulting new players on 200 completely unprovoked.  I've seen targeting new players to vulch them repeatedly for easy kills because they don't know better.  I've seen outright lies, baiting, insulting and excuses (lies even to his own squadmates) in nearly every film I've watched.

While I don't agree with the actions of the bailer, I do laugh at your reaction to it.  Take a moment to reflect on the actions of yourself and your friends.  You reap what you sow.  In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh at and pity this hypocrisy.

Thanks for bringing it back on topic Kingpin.

At the end of the day I stand by my belief that a bomb and bail fighter in a fighter combat game is really not a good thing to see.  It is IMO against the spirit of the game and should be discouraged.  Is ditching a plane the same?  I don't think so but there are going to be many who disagree.  I just think it is sad that a player (and IMO a skilled player) would do this.

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2015, 11:41:54 PM »
Thanks for bringing it back on topic Kingpin.

and several of you thought I had done had to much to drink.....<shakes head>

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #78 on: September 10, 2015, 12:10:26 AM »
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #79 on: September 10, 2015, 12:30:52 AM »
At the end of the day I stand by my belief that a bomb and bail fighter in a fighter combat game is really not a good thing to see.

I completely agree on this point.

Where you and I part ways, however, is when you walk lock-step with your CO to defend his similar actions and attitude.  Yes, IMO ditching in the middle of combat in order to then thumb your nose on 200 and say "ha, ha, denied you a kill" is essentially the same thing, especially when it is clearly intended to upset the opponent.  It is the identical attitude at play: trying to turn a loss into some kind of a "win".  I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. However, as a 3rd party observer, with no ego or squad loyalties at stake, I can say his displays of this are the same, if not worse.  Personally, I believe they are worse because they also involve continuous baiting, half-truths and even outright lies to others, including even you and your own squad-mates on squad vox.  Again, the unedited films don't lie.  It's certainly understandable; he is a skilled player who has a big ego to match.  But I would never defend it.  The bigger the ego, the more hypocritical and extreme the actions that ego can justify.

Actually, I agree with you on one other point: I too think it's sad that a player (and a skilled player) would do this.  But now we're talking about a different player.
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #80 on: September 10, 2015, 12:59:42 AM »
Uggh another thread derailed into being about boring ol'Skyyr. Dont make me destroy this one as well
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #81 on: September 10, 2015, 01:20:37 AM »
This is precisely why this thread is so ironic, coming from a member of this squad. 

Just watch one twitch feed video and you'll see the exact same attitude the OP is complaining about demonstrated, and even boasted about, by their own CO.  Running away to quickly ditch, then taunting on 200 "denied you a kill" and laughing about it on squad vox -- one unedited twitch film will show more of this attitude than you'll see in a week from others playing AH.  I feel sorry for the OP, being too blinded by loyalty to see it, while goose-stepping along here on the BBS to the same old tune.  Meanwhile the boss tries to chest-thump and deflect from the truth.

The really sad part is the repeated "we never start anything with other players" lie that is uttered over and over.  The films show this is absolutely untrue.  I've seen insulting new players on 200 completely unprovoked.  I've seen targeting new players to vulch them repeatedly for easy kills because they don't know better.  I've seen outright lies, baiting, insulting and excuses (lies even to his own squadmates) in nearly every film I've watched.

While I don't agree with the actions of the bailer, I do laugh at your reaction to it.  Take a moment to reflect on the actions of yourself and your friends.  You reap what you sow.  In the meantime, I'll continue to laugh at and pity this hypocrisy.

Completely agree with you Kingpin. I have had numerous occasions where I would kill Skyyr or he'd get a kill on me I wouldn't say a word to him and yet he's blowing up on 200 trying to start something. In fact, I don't remember ever having started anything with Skyyr or anyone from the Damned. It just happened out of no where one day that Skyyr openly started stuff with me just because I was a member of the Muppets. I had never spoken a word to him before that. I of course now do interact with Skyyr because catching him in his lies and watching him try to make up another lie is some of the most hilarious stuff I have ever seen in my time on this game.

Perhaps one of these days some people will realize that this is a video game and not real life and nothing in this video game really matters in the end.

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #82 on: September 10, 2015, 07:42:38 AM »
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #83 on: September 10, 2015, 09:40:27 AM »
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #84 on: September 10, 2015, 10:19:48 AM »
I completely agree on this point.

Where you and I part ways, however, is when you walk lock-step with your CO to defend his similar actions and attitude.  Yes, IMO ditching in the middle of combat in order to then thumb your nose on 200 and say "ha, ha, denied you a kill" is essentially the same thing, especially when it is clearly intended to upset the opponent.  It is the identical attitude at play: trying to turn a loss into some kind of a "win".  I'm sorry that you don't see it that way. However, as a 3rd party observer, with no ego or squad loyalties at stake, I can say his displays of this are the same, if not worse.  Personally, I believe they are worse because they also involve continuous baiting, half-truths and even outright lies to others, including even you and your own squad-mates on squad vox.  Again, the unedited films don't lie.  It's certainly understandable; he is a skilled player who has a big ego to match.  But I would never defend it.  The bigger the ego, the more hypocritical and extreme the actions that ego can justify.

Actually, I agree with you on one other point: I too think it's sad that a player (and a skilled player) would do this.  But now we're talking about a different player.

Please produce one example of anyone from our squad saying "denied you a kill," "haha ditched it," or anything remotely similar over 200 or PM. Just one. I have over 20 hours of straight unedited flight footage on my Twitch and YouTube, so it shouldn't be hard (and no, pointing out that we survived in response to someone claiming we were shot down 1 vs many doesn't count). Here's a hint: you can't.

Further, find one example of ANY of us ditching 1v1 in any fair fight. Again, you won't find it. See, the hypocrisy here is pretty much summed up by the image I posted and by comments made directly. Flying a P-47M and running, ditching, and even bailing 1v1 vs an LA-7, for example, is ok, because a 47 is a plane that reportedly takes "skill" while the LA-7 is not; flying an P-51D or Ta 152 and ditching against multiple enemies, however, is not acceptable, because one is a late war nitrous monster and the other is a supposedly easy-mode cannon bird that should have easily been able to handle hordes of higher, more maneuverable opponents.

The thought process that leads to this line of thinking is quite intriguing to me.

Now, regarding ditching: diving into a furball to assassinate a target and then ditching quickly? Yep, I've done that. Going into a 1 vs many, shooting as many as I can, and then sliding into a hangar? Yep, done that too. In fact, I don't know of a single player that won't do that at least a few times over their career. If you think that's a reflection of skill, however, the DA's open... and I think I've adequately proved my point there enough times.

Regardless of how you'd like to paint it, most players do and enjoy the same things we do. I said very little last night and simply watched smack talk fly back and forth for hours between entire squads (actual cursing and filter bypassing). I watched certain members in this thread run repeatedly from mid-war planes. I watched several pilots up from a capped base, kill, and then quickly ditch and jump in a wirble. Admittedly far worse than anything I've been accused of. Yet, somehow simply "gaming the game" is far more detrimental.

The reality is that there's many, many different ways to avoid combat. Some bail out, some attempt to gang you to avoid individual skill, and some just run to ack. I've uploaded a few more examples of this to my YouTube channel this morning, you might be interested in some of them.

FESS' point is that there's outrage over bomb and bailing, so why not this? The hypocrisy shown here is typical. To clarify, I personally think there's nothing wrong with it. It's a bit ironic that someone doesn't want to die to someone so they kill themselves, but hey - it's their $15 and they're free to do whatever they want with it. I'm just interested in watching the reasoning of how it's defended. Continue. :)
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #85 on: September 10, 2015, 11:04:38 AM »
Just an observation.
A few weeks ago I managed a kill on SKyyr, no great skill on my part I had alt and E to spare and he was engaged to start off with so yes basically it was a pick. The next sortie he was over my base and killed me easily 1 vs 1, he was in a P38 this time.
Others upped and Skyyr ended up with about 4 Vs 1 on him, he never tried to run and stayed with the fight using his alt for advantage against multiple badguys. Eventually someone got a shot onto his wing while he was low and yes he did manage to ditch it while being low and slow. I sent out a salute on 200 and said he did great given the numbers against him(none of the 4 were new guys) the only bad comments I got were from my own team mates for saying good stuff about him. One time I killed him when he was climbing out, after that I knew he was afk and sent him a message acknowledging this, soon after Kruel came in but I had the advantage we had a good fun fight and I got lucky to get the kill, we spoke on 200 and there was no posturing from either of us, just two guys had fun and talked about our mistakes rather than a whine session.
Like I said it was just my observation, yes he's killed me plenty of times but I know it's a game so I expect to be killed at some point, if I didn't want to be killed I'd play offline. Yes he's got an ego but so have a lot of others even some who have commented about his in this thread.

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #86 on: September 10, 2015, 12:01:35 PM »
Reading these threads is akin to watching greased up women fight in a mud pit.

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #87 on: September 10, 2015, 12:17:16 PM »
The best argument is that bombing and bailing when an enemy is approaching is non realistic and limits the players time in AH. So if we see a bomber going to kill down strats or attempt to kill HQ, we encourage players to up to kill them so they do not do any more damage. We need fighter interceptors to kill these guys. Instead, bombers just bail which causes the reaction of "well whats the point of intercepting if they will just bail". This creates people who don't want to up and waste 25 min to climb to stop the bombers. In a sense what you have are bombers gaming the game while doing destruction to the other team, which limits people's fun in AH. So not only are they wrecking strats, they are wrecking peoples time and fun and there is really no way to stop them or punish them for not flying well enough. So we are just going to have a bunch of bomber noobs tearing down strats who bail out and defeat the purpose people upping to defend. I'm sure HItech is aware and is doing things to limit this occurrence.

Ditching is perfectly fine. In a fight with multiple cons I always feel pleased if my plane is damaged and I can pull out a ditch. IMO it's hilarious. 


Bailing in fighters is a bit different IMO. To me it is the same thing as running away. I was fighting a P51 the other day and the dude chased me to the deck for about 5 miles, I pull a reversal and got some hits on em and after a few go arounds I get on his 6 600 out. Of course my plane cannot catch him so he proceeds to be able to run away. I'm a love muffin so I called him out over 200 and told him to come back and fight 1v1 vs my 190A5. Which is actually a pretty good fight.  He doesn't. So now I pulled off and go back to gain alt. I see him come back and dive 4k on top of him, of course he dives too and of course my plane still cant catch his. like a love muffin, I told him to keep running over 200. He then bails out of his plane to give me the kill because I was mean on 200. The guy would have actually saved me time and energy if he would have just bailed to begin with, instead of me trying to follow him in the chase. If you have to chase someone a sector away for a fight then you are wasting your time. In a sense, if you don't want to fight why are you playing the game? If you cannot handle being in a defensive state then you obviously have a lot more to learn. So if Fess was in a hurricane and the Dhog was running away, the situation would have been no different, the Hog would have flown away and Fess still would have wasted his time. In bombers, you cannot run away, so you either intentionally bail or have to be defense and that is the biggest difference besides spending 25 min to climb to appropriate alt.
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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #88 on: September 10, 2015, 01:43:06 PM »
No one really dies, planes are in limitless supply.  Shut up and fight...or not fight.  I'm of the firm belief that nothing in the playing of the game will ever be earth shattering or life changing, beyond those divorces that have happened to those players who forgot about real life.

Let me be the first to acknowledge that you are the greatest cartoon fighter pilot who ever lived.

If that really matters to you, then my comment is for you. 

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Re: Quote of the day - Sad state of affairs.
« Reply #89 on: September 10, 2015, 02:19:14 PM »
<yawwwnnn> too much to read. think I'll just play.

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