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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #60 on: September 28, 2015, 10:03:16 AM »
The trend in the antarctic, as I cited, is one of increase. The trend in the arctic is less clear. Last year, there was near-record recovery and the beginning of the recovery this year is starting sooner - but, again, this period is very short, and thus, trying to extrapolate a long-term trend from 36 years of data is unwise.

Meanwhile, a lot of warmists are puzzled by the last couple of years of recovery and the surface temp pause of the last 16 years. They don't understand why the ice area is not monotonically decreasing and are looking for the lost heat. Some of their theories are reaching a bit - for example, an hypothesis that the recovered area is less massive (ie, a depth/thickness  decrease) or that the heat is hiding deep in the oceans or that more of it has bounced out to space etc. or that the whole theory was bad and solar irradiance rules (see the Russian climatological experts for that one).

In short, there are a number of competing theories and explanations out there and, when the theory and data match and when the theory proves itself to have predictive and correlative value, THEN the science will be settled.

That's the process: hypothesize and test.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #61 on: September 28, 2015, 10:06:53 AM »
There's no one living in the antartic... they're all in the areas where the global temperature is rising so what good is what you just said...
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #62 on: September 28, 2015, 10:12:40 AM »
We can't change the fact that Earth has a cycle of climate change that happens over 100,000 year periods but we can sure change the fact that we've kind of sped it up way too much. If we work to reduce the amount of emissions we can stop it.

Mind you emissions aren't the only pollution problem we have. There is another really big one out there.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #63 on: September 28, 2015, 10:20:24 AM »
I've got a plan. Plant one billion trees a year and harvest the crop every 30 years. Better yet thin the federal land to limit fire fuel and grow big trees. Then harvest those every 100 years.  Wahoo were getting some where.  Oh wait electricity, our Achilles heal.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #64 on: September 28, 2015, 10:23:18 AM »
There's no one living in the antartic... they're all in the areas where the global temperature is rising so what good is what you just said...

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Maybe you're not familiar with the theory the IPCC has been working on... The one where atmospheric CO2 levels supposedly decrease the capacity of the earth to shed heat? It wouldn't be a localized phenomenon - and it doesn't correlate anyway, nor has it been shown to have predictive capability, so you're good there.

If you're really concerned about micro-climates, you'd want to leave the cities, because there's a known heat island effect there.

Also, nobody lives in the North Pole either, and the dist of surface temp readings around the globe says surface temps haven't been increasing since about '99. So you're still good everywhere else.  :aok
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #65 on: September 28, 2015, 10:40:05 AM »
Luckily the whole world is setting up big energy efforts to reduce the emissions by humans, which I think is a great idea. Oil and Coal are exactly what they are, Archaic. Until other forms of energy really begin to make an impact, the oil industry will continue to control the markets. However, the oil industry is slowly dying along with the burning of coal. If these 2 forms of energy become outdated then we will start to see a cleaner impact on the earth. That doesn't stop the earth from doing what it wants. We could still go trough cycles of warming and cooling like we have been for the past 10,000 years. Luckily, the earth has been stable enough for this not to cause a major impact in our society today. Places like China are a big problem and really needs to work on their emissions. China is the worst pollutant in the world and you can see how nasty that life can be if it gets out of hand. We don't need our people growing and living through such smog.

Also, Volcano eruptions like the one recently in Chili is a great example of how no matter how hard you try, the earth will always spew trillions of chemical compounds into the atmosphere at any given time and there is nothing you can do about it. The crazy part is, the earth is soo large it broke down those compounds and we still didn't see any effects of the volcano here in America.

The Humans only emit about 6% of the total C02 count into the atmosphere. While you could say this 6% is keeping our planet warm or "adding to the problem", it is still a relatively low amount considering the size of the earth. That volcano spewed out more chemicals in the days it erupted than all of the emissions by humans combined in South America in the last 30 years. While humans can do whatever they can to reduce the emissions. We cannot undermine the earth in what it is capable of doing.

Also Craz, I think landfills will start to shrink as the technology to burn trash is becoming better and better. Look at how Sweden has dealt with the trash problem. They actually buy trash from other countries to burn for energy. Sweden has virtually no trash landfills. IMO that will become a future energy source around the whole world.

Oil still has such a large impact on the world. look at how it is effecting the stock market right now. There is no way we could simply stop the production of oil tomorrow, however, other energy sources are starting to make oil out dated and in the next 15 years oil may not be as big as it once was. This would go a long way into making the earth a cleaner place to live.

All in all we have seen how emissions can cause much smog and nastiness by looking at China and now we can see that it is not a great society to live and breath in. Hopefully we can do our best to reduce the emissions all over the world so that the sky atmosphere is cleaner, but humans most likely wont control the global temperatures and the earth is full of surprises that we cannot control.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #66 on: September 28, 2015, 10:45:25 AM »
Been there - not pleasant. You're also correct about ours, and CO2's, place on the Pareto chart.

I'd also note that a lot of companies tied to fossil fuel production or dependent on its output (mine included) are keeping a solid foot in research, trying to find its replacement. After all, build a better mousetrap...

BP partnered with us on our Hydrogen work. Not sure if they still do, having left the alt fuels arena.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #67 on: September 28, 2015, 11:02:40 AM »
Oil also has other uses besides burning it a fuel. I would hazard a guess and say these other uses consume more than as a fuel.

Mining of trash (recycling) will become more prevalent.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #68 on: September 28, 2015, 11:12:38 AM »
There's no one living in the antartic... they're all in the areas where the global temperature is rising so what good is what you just said...

Actually there are a few year round researchers there. And lot's of penguins.   :old:

The much bigger issue than man-made climate change is who misleads you and who can you believe.   :D

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #69 on: September 28, 2015, 11:13:19 AM »
Oil also has other uses besides burning it a fuel. I would hazard a guess and say these other uses consume more than as a fuel.

Mining of trash (recycling) will become more prevalent.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #70 on: September 28, 2015, 11:59:05 AM »
Mining of trash is a bad idea, look at all those ET games they found. You cant get rid of those horrid things no matter how hard you try
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2015, 12:23:29 PM »
Mining of trash is a bad idea, look at all those ET games they found. You cant get rid of those horrid things no matter how hard you try

Four words: Billy Ray Cyrus disks...

Can they be reconstituted? If not, the future looks pretty bleak indeed, especially if one of the arscheklownen digging up the junk manages to find a CD player. It's bad enough he left us the piglet. Not that piglets don't have an occasional "hold 'em down by the back of the neck and make 'em squeal BUT GOOD" types of uses.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #72 on: September 28, 2015, 12:56:37 PM »
Global warming is nonesense :old:

We are weaning our selves from oil :old:

So the Arabs are left with sand and camel turds :old:

Global warming is the new oil and your going to pay taxes.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #73 on: September 28, 2015, 01:10:13 PM »

So the Arabs are left with sand and camel turds :old:

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I guess I'd be okay with this, Zack, but only so long as I can hold one of them down by the neck and really make them squeal.

Regarding means and ends, I tend to prioritize the latter, so long as what it's attached to can squeal.

Mind, fettling a pie can be well and good, especially in this political season and at a time when people need to blow off a little... steam, perhaps. You see, we're soon to be in full swing election-mode here in this outsized colony. My theory, if the election were held today, most people would be confused, since it's expected to be held in November of '16. Regardless, if the US erection were actually held today, I suspect there would be a good deal of participation at the poles, given the general lack of satisfaction. I note that one of my state reps is named Randy Richardville. How can you not vote for Randy? Wouldn't you like to put Randy in orifi, er... office? I wonder how it feels to be Randy, and see your poll rising, knowing you're on the verge of overcoming your opponent?
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #74 on: September 28, 2015, 02:41:36 PM »
I saw a news article recently where they said the arctic ice cap was growing based on very short term data regarding seasonal ice spread.  :rofl
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