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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #105 on: September 30, 2015, 01:25:33 AM »
The fact is that we likely won't combat climate change (in the US, at any rate) with any real measure of seriousness before we reach the tipping point (which may have already happened, actually).

For a number of reasons, too many people either refuse to believe it even exists, or simply don't understand its significance, and it's threats, misconstruing it as concern about how hot it is and whether or not we need to run the A/C.

Luckily, chemical engineering and material science is advancing rapidly. It's possible that we'll reach the ability to engineer the climate to our specifications before the problem gets too serious.

But unfortunately, we likely HAVE to bank on science to save us.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #106 on: September 30, 2015, 01:34:57 AM »
The fact is that we likely won't combat climate change (in the US, at any rate) with any real measure of seriousness before we reach the tipping point (which may have already happened, actually).

For a number of reasons, too many people either refuse to believe it even exists, or simply don't understand its significance, and it's threats, misconstruing it as concern about how hot it is and whether or not we need to run the A/C.

Luckily, chemical engineering and material science is advancing rapidly. It's possible that we'll reach the ability to engineer the climate to our specifications before the problem gets too serious.

But unfortunately, we likely HAVE to bank on science to save us.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #107 on: September 30, 2015, 01:38:13 AM »
Luckily, chemical engineering and material science is advancing rapidly. It's possible that we'll reach the ability to engineer the climate to our specifications before the problem gets too serious.

Absolutely.  We've been able to put enough CO2 into the atmosphere perhaps to avert a next ice age (which we are about due for otherwise).  :aok

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #108 on: September 30, 2015, 04:44:02 AM »
Absolutely.  We've been able to put enough CO2 into the atmosphere perhaps to avert a next ice age (which we are about due for otherwise).  :aok

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #109 on: September 30, 2015, 10:36:48 AM »
There is no way we will be able to "engineer" a climate in our life time. If a volcano cannot do it, how do you think people will? It's not something that is easily doable, especially considering the wind patterns of the earth.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #110 on: September 30, 2015, 10:45:19 AM »
:rofl  :aok

In 1999, we moved our company out of The People's Republic of California, mainly because of high taxes.  We went on to hire in Washington State and spend about $100M into the economy of Washington State, and California got $0.  We were an example of what happens on the right side of the Laffer curve.


Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe this as tax arbitrage or something similar?
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #111 on: September 30, 2015, 01:16:45 PM »
Ice is shrinking so fast in the north they're already preparing to evacuate ice dependant villages...  Can we do something to reverse this for the next generation, or is the next generation just iphones and suv's with long commutes...?  Your own fate is in front of your own eyes...  The more conversation we have about this the better chance we have if anyone cares anymore....
:airplane: where in the world do  you get that the ice caps are shrinking? BS! according to NOAA, there is more ice cap today than ever before in history! You people who have swallowed AL Gore's great "hoax" on the American people, need to find something to do besides costing us tax payers more money with your crap!
Contrary to the people who "walk" leaning left, there is nothing that we can or should do about so called global warming!
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #113 on: September 30, 2015, 02:28:00 PM »
Wouldn't it be more accurate to describe this as tax arbitrage or something similar?

I would describe it as California priced itself out of the running, and we voted with our feet.

Also, it wasn't just taxes that were high.  Real estate was outrageously expensive as well.  It's only gotten worse since then.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #114 on: September 30, 2015, 02:35:19 PM »
Ice over time:


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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #115 on: September 30, 2015, 02:41:35 PM »
According to NASA:

Two weeks after the Arctic Ocean's ice cap experienced an all-time summertime low for the satellite era (left), Antarctic sea ice reached a record winter maximum extent.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #116 on: September 30, 2015, 03:23:04 PM »
Ice over time:

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Thank goodness the Antarctic Ice is growing and the Arctic Ice is shrinking.  I was really starting to worry about that.  We definitely need more Antarctic Ice and less Arctic is to keep the planet from tipping over.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #117 on: September 30, 2015, 03:36:41 PM »
Thank goodness the Antarctic Ice is growing and the Arctic Ice is shrinking.  I was really starting to worry about that.  We definitely need more Antarctic Ice and less Arctic is to keep the planet from tipping over.

Absolutely, lest we get a shift in the axis of rotation of the earth leading to catastrophe for the delta smelt.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #118 on: September 30, 2015, 05:04:48 PM »
Even if the totality of the US agreed to live in mud huts, walk everywhere, and not burn fires. Africa, India, Pacific Rim nations and China would keep on polluting at levels we didn't come close to at the height of our SMOG days in the 70's. They would make up for us returning to the stone age and then some on their own.

Of the 1.6 billion Chinese, only about 300 million live the good life in their modern cities equal to our hated over consuming and scorned U.S. level of living by a population of only 320 million. The rest live in the country on farms and many burn dung or wood to survive. While the other 300 million need so many coal burning plants to create and maintain their level of living that they have real SMOG problems that really kill people every year from direct inhalation while living in some of the most modern cities on the planet. Along with killing natural water sheds and the surrounding country near their hundreds of coal fire electric plants and coal fire industries from the byproducts.

India has 1.2 billion Indians with a growing modern sector close to 300 million like China, and the rest living in rural areas burning dung or wood, and so forth etc. And don't forget the Asian brown cloud from all the fires used by the rural peoples from east Africa through to Asia that has impacted the monsoon cycle and is creating a slight cooling effect in that region.

Both nations along with Africa and the whole Pacific rim consume more hydrocarbon based fuel than the USA can ever hope to. And the demand is only going up as all of these nations very small wealth producing sectors modernize, expand, and want all those creature comforts the world and our Stupid leftist fruitloops accuse the U.S.A. of destroying the planet for past and present. Because somehow our greed is more damaging to mother earth than their greed or some fruitlooped stupid reasoning like that.

The USA is not the single most evil polluting country creating single handedly global warming on planet earth. And never was. We were just the first to modernize at the rate we did which quickly made us one of the wealthyest. We are also one of the easiest nations to con into feeling guilty for existing, and letting ourselves be robbed blind by countries and world organizations including the EU. Who can't meet their own CO2 goals and couldn't give a ratz keester other than the revenue it feeds into their governments. The EU needs all the money it can get to pay cradle to grave for all of their unemployed, and the UN has a never ending desire visa what ever the scam to become a world government some day. And global warming is a great revenue train if a global tax can be imposed. And once a tax can be imposed, you can impose government with it to enforce collecting it.

Global warming is BS, but, it's a great scam to create government forced transfers of wealth and power, along with modifications in society against the rights and legal will of citizens to save them from a contrived global catastrophe. Citizens who buy in to it are "tacitly" voting for their government to assume cradle to grave authority over their lives and anyone who believes other wise without having to declare itself a dictatorship.

You have to respect China for making no bones about not taking part in the global warming scam and telling the rest of the fruitloops to screw themselves. They don't need to con their citizens into accepting becoming wards of the state with the lie of saving the planet.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #119 on: September 30, 2015, 05:09:18 PM »
According to NASA:

Two weeks after the Arctic Ocean's ice cap experienced an all-time summertime low for the satellite era (left), Antarctic sea ice reached a record winter maximum extent.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/arctic-antarctic-ice.html-

FLS Did you read the third and eleventh paragraphs?

Brooke, nice chart, I recommend the FLS's link as a counterpoint.
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