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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #240 on: October 07, 2015, 09:36:04 AM »

Food Shortages? Nah, there will be too many poor people who cannot afford to buy enough, and they are using GMO's to grow food faster and better. The whole GMO conspiracy that they are dangerous is a myth, and studies prove that. Humans ability to keep food available is of course sparked by profits more than anything. Think about how many chickens a Chic Fil A goes through and they aren't even fully multinational company yet. They will keep food prosperous for a long time. I don't think we would have to worry about any famines in our life time.

Disease is becoming more and more redundant now than ever before. While the news media my have you thinking differently, vaccines, stem cells, and current medicine technology, and 3D organ printing, are getting 100Xs better. In the next 15 years, I expect we will have a cure for cancer or a treatment that will kill it completely. I have already invested in ISR a Proxcelan Cesium-131 brachytherapy seeds producer company that is doing an enormous job of stopping cancer and killing brain tumors before it spreads. These types of technology are going to continue to develop and continue to rid people of disease. Cancer is the biggest disease we have to face today, it is our generations weakness. We must stop cancer or it will continue to wipe out our population. On the positive side, disease has drastically decreased, HPV and HIV have drastically decreased, and our society is becoming much more aware of disease and prevention.

Social Strife! There is your winner!

This is the BIGGEST problem our society faces today. The social technology and Social Media has changed the way people perceive the world. We can record our every move on social media. We can televise all of the terrible events and tragedies that happen all day long, we have an entire internet at our fingertips to share ideas. This stresses people out and scares them, it puts them in a frantic state of caution and worry. Social mental health will become a big problem facing developed nations. We care too much about what other people think of us. We care too much about being successful in the eyes of other people. What we are seeing is that our benefits are not outweighing the growth in technology or profits. Our perception that higher education = higher pay is becoming a false reality. We have young people paying 25% in taxes and student loans on top of it, this is crippling our young people.  We are killing the growth in our people by providing them with too little. Half of the United States workforce make under 30K, that is preposterous! A medium 57K earnings per household is a sad sad statistic in America that should be a huge indicator of why mental health is such a big issue. Once that makes an impact on a nation you see social strife, stress, ambiguity towards social standards, hatred of our government, the split of right or left. These are issues that our country stresses over and it impacts people's lives. Mental Health and drug usage are becoming KEY indicators that our people are suffering. IF we continue to raise the cost of healthcare, IF we continue to tax our youth at enormous rates, IF we continue to devalue our employment, IF we continue to let social media dictate our thoughts and emotions, We are going to see a mental health catastrophe and a society full of people with no motivation and no prosperity.

I'm guessing public education is our current biggest problem.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #241 on: October 07, 2015, 09:45:42 AM »
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #242 on: October 07, 2015, 09:53:20 AM »
Sys Error, your error is that you think that more information will persuade anyone over this topic. If anything more information will only increase the polarization of views.  What is at work here, I believe, (and I'm sure you could find a behavioral psychology study to back this up, but really, whats the point?) is a form of tribalism. There are people who believe that the majority scientific opinion that you cite is bogus. There is nothing you could link to or declare that is going to make any difference in that belief. Everything you post is immediately discounted as ideologically driven dissembling.

It seems self evident to me that we live in the anthropocene. I do not believe that climate science is the same as Lysenkoism. The world is a small place and it is getting smaller.
It's called confirmation bias.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #243 on: October 07, 2015, 09:58:03 AM »
It's not hard to come up with examples where millions of people have fallen into step because of such a fraud. Some by force, and some not.
The anti-marijuana/hemp craze is a pretty good example of a nearly global brainwashing.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #244 on: October 07, 2015, 10:26:46 AM »
I'm guessing public education is our current biggest problem.


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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #245 on: October 07, 2015, 10:36:16 AM »
I'm guessing public education is our current biggest problem.


Blaming societies problems on public education is an arrogant and ignorant ideology full of straw-man arguments.


That being said, the increasing cost of Intuition of higher education is directly the fault of the government for allowing them to do this. On top of that, the government knows that people are going to college more than ever so they know people will take out loans and pay a fortune on interest alone.

The problem is a society that can be bought and lobbied.
The problem is acceptance
The problem is taking advantage of the people and watching that come back to bite our society in the arse.


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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #246 on: October 07, 2015, 10:48:48 AM »

Blaming societies problems on public education is an arrogant and ignorant ideology full of straw-man arguments.

Thank you for your support.  :aok

First of all it's not an ideology, it's an opinion.

Second, there are no straw man fallacies in my statement but your quote is a classic example.
Let me know if you don't see it.

Education can happen anywhere.  :D

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #247 on: October 07, 2015, 11:07:58 AM »
Thank you for your support.  :aok

First of all it's not an ideology, it's an opinion.

Second, there are no straw man fallacies in my statement but your quote is a classic example.
Let me know if you don't see it.

Education can happen anywhere.  :D

No, it was a strawman argument because your opinion was directed toward nothing I said. You said "it must be the public educations fault" that is a strawman fallacy because it has nothing to do with any of the paragraphs I wrote before. You attack all of those problems, or me, based on public education and that is simply not true. In fact our education has only become 100% better based on the research we can find on the internet and the ability to search for information more quickly.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #248 on: October 07, 2015, 11:15:30 AM »
Finding information does not help if you dont know how to use it.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #249 on: October 07, 2015, 11:24:47 AM »
Finding information does not help if you dont know how to use it.

Just like education means nothing if you have nothing to show for it, right?

I could study and read books all day long, learn about the profession, understand the concepts very well, but non of that matters if I don't get awarded credit for it. Guess who gets the job, the one who has the credit that proves he did it. That's how we value education.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #250 on: October 07, 2015, 11:36:18 AM »
No, it was a strawman argument because your opinion was directed toward nothing I said. You said "it must be the public educations fault" that is a strawman fallacy because it has nothing to do with any of the paragraphs I wrote before. You attack all of those problems, or me, based on public education and that is simply not true. In fact our education has only become 100% better based on the research we can find on the internet and the ability to search for information more quickly.

Notice that you had to rephrase my statement and give it a different meaning to attack it?  That's a clue.
You attack a statement I didn't make. It's the classic straw man fallacy.  You are supposed to avoid those.

You said the biggest problem today is social strife. I said I think public education is a bigger problem.
Do you see how that is related? We both give opinions on the big problem facing us?

You might even consider education to be central to discussing, never mind solving, all the other problems you mentioned.





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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #251 on: October 07, 2015, 11:37:37 AM »
They say that's maybe how the permian extinction got rolling.

But the changes we are talking about here are paltry in magnitude compared to what they say was necessary to bring about the Permian extinction.  There, they debate causes like volcanic events that created a lava-and-ash field about 1/4 the size of Russia, which -- just as one consequence among many others that are perhaps more significant -- melted a lot of methane hydrate and released a lot of CO2 quickly.

We are talking about CO2 going from 400 ppm now to (if you burn all oil, natural gas, and coal reserves -- all of it) 800 ppm.  That's not high for the history of the earth, and there are plenty of periods with much higher CO2 that don't seem to have issues with it:  2000 ppm during the time of the dinosaurs, 5000 ppm during the Cambrian.

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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #252 on: October 07, 2015, 11:43:52 AM »
Nature (and Humans) are adaptable as long as we get enough time to do it. A small but rapid change have bigger impact than a big and slow. And main problem isnt that climate change is going to kill us all. Its about what effects it have on the society. Severe drought and other weather related disaster might casue unrest and violence. As always rich countries will be able to cope better than poor ones.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #253 on: October 07, 2015, 11:51:07 AM »
Notice that you had to rephrase my statement and give it a different meaning to attack it?  That's a clue.
You attack a statement I didn't make. It's the classic straw man fallacy.  You are supposed to avoid those.

You said the biggest problem today is social strife. I said I think public education is a bigger problem.
Do you see how that is related? We both give opinions on the big problem facing us?

You might even consider education to be central to discussing, never mind solving, all the other problems you mentioned.

You didn't phrase it as saying that education was a "bigger problem" in regards to solving these social strifes. Your statement could be interpreted many different ways. It was a fallacy to correlate my statements with a single problem that may or may not be the reason towards social strifes. But your statement wasn't directed specifically toward social strifes, so therefore I was confused with your statement.

Let me ask you a question. What's the bigger problem? CEOs and Hedgefund managers losing a small portion of net profits so that their employees can afford to live a decent life? Or telling every highschooler to go get a college degree to prove their worth, only to be disregarded as (our education system sucks) so now college graduates aren't making money, highschool graduates aren't making money, and of course it's the educations fault because companies don't want to pay people enough to support themselves.

So you tell me how education is going to make companies pay better instead of allowing our socitey to slowly be devalued? While dipshits makes 40M a year.
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Re: How or Why we will reverse global warming
« Reply #254 on: October 07, 2015, 11:56:14 AM »
Nature (and Humans) are adaptable as long as we get enough time to do it. A small but rapid change have bigger impact than a big and slow. And main problem isnt that climate change is going to kill us all. Its about what effects it have on the society. Severe drought and other weather related disaster might casue unrest and violence. As always rich countries will be able to cope better than poor ones.

But we are talking about a predicted change that is, on human time scales, very slow, as well as being, on historical time scales, very small.  Also, it might not even happen to the extent that models predict, as they have been significantly wrong in their predictions.

What can also cause unrest and violence is societies lacking economic progress.  You can spend $1 trillion on a fruitless attempt to stop global warming (which might not even come to pass or might be a world-saving benefit if it helps avert a future ice age); or you can spend $1 trillion into growing economies.
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