How or Why we will reverse global warming

[DmonSlyr]

Awesome, well there you have it folks, the solution to global warming, pay people better and forgive them their college debts along with lowering the price of gas.  Problem solved.

Yup!! Pay no attention to reason and Logic.  That's the problem trying to have a discussion with people on forums who absolutely do not understand the points I am making, and then generalize what I wrote with a completely ignorant statement. You have 1 position and no reasoning to an outside idealolgy. This is why "global warming" will will always be an issue because people simply refuse to understand how to generally fix it, and instead stick to BS conspiracies and every other stupid scenario because people cannot accept the fact that they are wrong.
 

[NatCigg]

Yup!! Pay no attention to reason and Logic.  That's the problem trying to have a discussion with people on forums who absolutely do not understand the points I am making, and then generalize what I wrote with a completely ignorant statement. You have 1 position and no reasoning to an outside idealolgy. This is why "global warming" will will always be an issue because people simply refuse to understand how to generally fix it, and instead stick to BS conspiracies and every other stupid scenario because people cannot accept the fact that they are wrong.

No the problem is ..... wait for it....... a theory is not a fact ( please check scientific doctrine) and people are claiming fact at the detriment of growth ( job/ wages).  We hear your argument, you do not heard ours.  If you want to talk globalization of the world economy that is another topic.

I'll start.  The life of an american will be based on our freedoms and intlectal rights.  You will be better served using our education system to get a skilled job that embraces the global model.  Tough times for the lazy and losers.

[pembquist]

Here you go boys: http://indiauncut.com/iublog/article/38-ways-to-win-an-argument-arthur-schopenhauer/

This is the Approved manual.

[DmonSlyr]

No the problem is ..... wait for it....... a theory is not a fact ( please check scientific doctrine) and people are claiming fact at the detriment of growth ( job/ wages).  We hear your argument, you do not heard ours.  If you want to talk globalization of the world economy that is another topic.

I'll start.  The life of an american will be based on our freedoms and intlectal rights.  You will be better served using our education system to get a skilled job that embraces the global model.  Tough times for the lazy and losers.

Well, when the "lazy and losers" make up the majority of America there is obviously a problem. At one point those lazy losers start to degrade society and a big chain effect occurs. They have babies and create even more impoverished lazy losers. So eventually we end up with a society full of lazy losers who don't want to work for a S#%ty salery. Have fun paying them taxes instead.

Btw, global warming will be fixed in 10 years when the climate cools 1 degree and who ever is president is going to get a nice Pat on the back for all of his courageous efforts in stopping global warming and all the sudden it will be fixed and it will be a huge victory for the government.

[NatCigg]

sitty salary? what a concept.

um that makes me laugh a little (cooling 1o)  didnt someone say fictitious plans for fictitious problems...um well if it works that fast i thought co2 was near jurassic times yet ice is around. oh yeah. back to the debate.

[FBKampfer]

The life of everyone in nearly every first world country is based on their freedom and education. This is not something unique to the United States.

Hell, we're regressing on both fronts. Trump's slogan may be "make America great again", but that's not going to happen until we accept that the "lazy" can still contribute more with cheap/free higher education.

In fact, the fundamental concept behind such arguments is one of the primary benefits we gained from moving away from a hunter/gatherer and subsistence farming society and started forming cities.

Many individuals could produce a sufficient surplus, such that not everyone had to work purely for the existence of the group, and rather could devote their efforts to philosophical, technological, and scientific pursuits, from which humanity derived greater benefit.

This then led to the barter tit for tat system, which itself led to capitalism. Ironic that capitalism grew from socialist societies. But I digress.

Your basic assumption that everyone needs to work hard, and pull their own weight, and make their own way in the world is fundamentally wrong. Such doctrine in fact pisses away what is arguably the greatest benefit of collective human society.

[FLOOB]

What is this thread about?

[Dark]

My 2¢ . There's a documentary on Netflix call cowanation (think that's the name) very interesting if it is actually true. Haven't looked up stats myself since I just finished it.  Basically a boil down.  Agricultural is the main factor in global warming (methane), rainforest/land demo (grow feed for said animals,  drought (obvious). If the stats he pointed out are even remotely accurate then wow. We as a species are in big trouble. I don't think so much from a environment standpoint but more of what the people will do if resources get critical.  Wars will happen and it wont be a pretty one since everyone will be desperate by that point. So all the stops will be pulled out. They may not going full nuclear because they will need the land,water, ect but when people are desperate the people don't think clearly. I don't think anything will happen in our generation (I'm 32) but probably see the start before I die.   

[DmonSlyr]

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-getting-harder-to-move-beyond-a-minimum-wage-job/


Just go ahead and read the article before you generalize.

I just want to point out that we have a lot bigger current problems facing our society today than global warming and Social Strife is the #1 problem.

[FLS]

Social strife? If you mean dial-a-riot that's just competition for political power.

It's clear from the article that a lot of people have no idea about the reality of the job market, the competition for good people by employers and the competition for unskilled jobs by the unemployed.

If only there was some way to educate them before they enter the work force.   

The article you linked portrays adult workers as helpless victims. First guy chooses to stay in the same minimum wage job for 9 years and complains that he isn't paid more. He "figured" he'd get raises. Imagine if he'd asked about that when he got hired. Now he's 44 years old and can cook a hamburger.  Raise the minimum wage and he'll likely lose the job. Witness the restaurant closings in Seattle.

http://www.nfib.com/article/bnew-seattle-restaurants-closing-their-doors-ahead-of-minimum-wage-increase-68463/

[Zimme83]

How about separating US domestic problems from the Global problems?

[DmonSlyr]

Social strife? If you mean dial-a-riot that's just competition for political power.

It's clear from the article that a lot of people have no idea about the reality of the job market, the competition for good people by employers and the competition for unskilled jobs by the unemployed.

If only there was some way to educate them before they enter the work force.   

The article you linked portrays adult workers as helpless victims. First guy chooses to stay in the same minimum wage job for 9 years and complains that he isn't paid more. He "figured" he'd get raises. Imagine if he'd asked about that when he got hired. Now he's 44 years old and can cook a hamburger.  Raise the minimum wage and he'll likely lose the job. Witness the restaurant closings in Seattle.

http://www.nfib.com/article/bnew-seattle-restaurants-closing-their-doors-ahead-of-minimum-wage-increase-68463/

Ding Ding! That is very true. There are not very many people at all who have the first clue of what employers are demanding or the salaries they offer. It's all a game to see who they can take advantage of for the longest amount of time. If there wasn't a minimum wage they'd still be working for $2 an hour.

You make it sound like it is easy for chief here to just go out and look for another job. Missing one day of work for this guy takes away food and transportation. If he cant get to work he gets fired, he is forced to live 2 hours away because he cannot afford to live in the town his business operates in. If he takes a risk and skips work to go interview for another job, they turn around and either offer him $.50 more than he is making now, or he doesn't get the job and just wasted a day where now he will really be screwed for a few days because he lost out on the $50 he would have made that day for 8 hours of work. Now imagine this guy has a family with 2 children. They will grow up in poverty and stats say they will most likely become drug dealers, end up in prisons for stealing/drugs, become gangsters, or another impoverished group that will continue to drag America down.

Now, this guy has worked hard for 8 years at this company day in and day out. His managers don't give a S*&T, he got a $.50 raise and a pat on the back. You don't think this trend is starting to become popular for jobs all across America? You tell people to work hard for a higher wage and then reality and the greedy clown CEO comes back and craps on them with a 50 cent raise. Such a glorious society we are turning into, don't you think? I mean, our education is worthless (in the eyes of conservatives), our jobs are worthless, our paychecks are worthless, pretty soon that's going to create a worthless society.

For the record, I do not agree with raising minimum wage to $15 an hour. I think 11.50 is the more reasonable #. If our wages do not increase and we keep treating people like this guy, there is going to be a rude awakening for business owners all across America.

[FLS]

What opportunity did his manager have available that was denied to the cook? The article didn't mention one. You just imagine that there is money and opportunity available.  Imagine the job training he could have gotten in 9 years of part time community college classes.

[Aspen]

Most minimum wage jobs don't offer more than 40 hours a week.  That leaves 10-20 hours a week to work on gaining knowledge, gaining skills, running a side business, searching better opportunities or generating extra income.  Its a poor decision to start a family before you are financially ready.  We waited until our 30s and getting to that point was a big motivator.

I would never say its easy, but an able bodied person with average intelligence and some drive can absolutely make it regardless of how jacked up the economy is at the moment. 

[NatCigg]

Dude you keep arguing about minimum wage jobs?     At this skill level a 35 and 15 year old both fit qualifications for the job.  that is the 15 yo is competing for the same job.  in addition the business model most likely revolves around that low pay and expects entry level worker and good turn around.  if the business wants better people they will have to pay for it.  a complaining 35 yo is just that, chances are hes on his way out!  if the labor market was full, more good people would be looking for these jobs, but it is not this way.  Good people are in high demand and should not be "stuck" in any job.  Limitations in life could force being "stuck", that is why it is so important to be mobile when you can, before kids and a house, so you can maximize your opportunity and worth.