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Offline eagl

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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #405 on: June 04, 2017, 04:39:05 PM »
Ever time I start wondering if I'd go back if the AF asked for a voluntary recall to flying duty, something really stupid happens that makes me remember why I got out.

The latest one...  A reserve squadron, tankers if I recall correctly, has started having its pilots show up for drill in service dress.  This comes at the same time that, every couple of weeks, a guard or reserve squadron posts a notice in the pilot network on facebook about taking applications for new pilots.  I'm guessing that they are being run into the ground by the same kind of out of touch "leadership" that has spent the last 12ish years gutting the active AF by piling more and more nonsense into the daily lives of the pilots.

Whether its blues monday or commanders being rank-ordered by the number of troops they have with medically limiting conditions (true thing, if you break your arm and can't do pushups, your commander may get passed over for promotion), the active AF has been destroyed by non-ops desk jockeys and support clerks.  Stay away, stay far far away.  Unless you like that sort of thing, in which case by all means join the AF and be counted among the largest collection of pilot-haters and queep lovers in the world.
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #406 on: June 04, 2017, 04:50:00 PM »
I will say that there are 2 positive things about the UAV community in the AF...  First, they are on the front lines of the GWOT so if you like blowing up real life slavers who torture people for fun and profit, there's no better place to be.  Second, many of the commanders in the UAV squadrons/groups/wings have been successful in shielding their troops from queep.  Sure a UAV driver may not get promoted, but he's also unlikely to get tasked for 6am "fun runs", FOD sweeps on holidays, "blues mondays", or any number of other administrative trivialities that have nothing at all to do with combat power projection.  The UAV squadron I was in gave me an opportunity to be as much or as little involved in running the squadron as I wanted, at any level including admin or tactical tasks.  Someone who doesn't like the admin queep in a UAV squadron tends to simply end up flying more, or in my case, getting shuffled UP to an operations supervision level that directly oversees OPS instead of getting shuffled to an admin desk.  I spent my last 2 years in the UAV business in a minimum-manned supervisory position that prevented assignment of additional admin queep, and that seemed like a reasonable use of my experience and skills at a point in my career where I had run out of f***s to give about anything other than ops.

There are other drawbacks to the UAV world (the mental/physical strain of continuous 24 hr combat ops is very real and damaging) but at least the ops/queep ratio can, depending on the commander, be significantly higher than many other AF assignments.
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #407 on: June 05, 2017, 01:11:38 PM »
While I'm not exactly salty nor have I seen fleet life, I can say in my limited training squadron experience, there is a night and day difference between what I hear about the USAF and what I experience with USAF IPs, and what I've experience with the Navy. Nothing against the USAF, but as you said, it sounds like a lot of misery pushed down to you by desk guys, and while the USAF IPs were great guys and great pilots, they seemed to share, if on a subconscious level, a lot of that crushing admin thought process.

The Navy has treated us VERY well. I tend to get sick a lot, my immune system is terrible, and there's never been an issue with the command with me going med down. At the same time, docs will work with me if I'm feeling ill, but feel I'm still capable of flying. We don't have mando fun often (In the year I've been here, the only mandatory after-hours event was the Christmas party, and that was actually a GREAT time!). And the biggest thing is what we're experiencing right now.

Here we are, not flying. No operations to conduct. We're going to be moving hangars for renovation. If the command was so inclined, they could CRUSH us with busy work, just to be able to have a shiny letter saying they accomplished X, Y and Z. And yet, there has been no attempt to do so. If we DO need something done, they'll get a working party together, but even then they spread the load very well. If there's nothing that needs to be done, we have the mando muster every 96 hours to satisfy requirements and that's it. I may just be very lucky with this squadron, but I personally feel the Navy goes above and beyond to take care of us, and I wouldn't want to be anywhere else! (Not to be that super-motard lol)


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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #408 on: June 05, 2017, 03:09:06 PM »
Ah to be young again.   :D

Heh, heh, heh, just wait until you get sent to the boat for real.  I hope you can keep those rose-colored glasses on.   It's a challenging environment and my pals tell me it gets old REAL fast. 

The fleet is understaffed and overworked.   Hopefully that will change.

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« Reply #409 on: June 05, 2017, 03:15:06 PM »
This sounds remarkably similar to what the late Col David Hackworth wrote about in "About Face".  He went from a Pvt to a Col in the Army, and the bureaucracy and ticket-punching took precedence over training and tactics.  It was bad enough that even though the Army was his life, he got out and moved to Australia for a few decades.  Seems like when any branch of the military reaches a certain size that is starts to become more a corporation than a fighting machine.
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« Reply #410 on: June 05, 2017, 05:20:05 PM »
This sounds remarkably similar to what the late Col David Hackworth wrote about in "About Face".  He went from a Pvt to a Col in the Army, and the bureaucracy and ticket-punching took precedence over training and tactics.  It was bad enough that even though the Army was his life, he got out and moved to Australia for a few decades.  Seems like when any branch of the military reaches a certain size that is starts to become more a corporation than a fighting machine.

This is why Al Gray is so revered by the Marines.   He turned that around. 

Strangely enough, John Boyd is also beloved among the Marine Corps yet a pariah in his native service branch.   The war fighters and the flying club in any branch are always at odds. 
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Re: Stories from FL280...
« Reply #411 on: June 06, 2017, 10:04:02 AM »
Well, SOMETHING is progressing.

I leave for SERE in two weeks.

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« Reply #412 on: June 06, 2017, 12:15:15 PM »

That sounds like a lot of fun!!  :banana:  Have a good time!!

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« Reply #413 on: June 06, 2017, 01:25:27 PM »
That sounds like a lot of fun!!  :banana:  Have a good time!!

lol. I've never heard "fun" and "SERE" in the same sentence before...

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« Reply #414 on: June 06, 2017, 02:32:56 PM »
lol. I've never heard "fun" and "SERE" in the same sentence before...

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« Reply #415 on: June 06, 2017, 03:16:16 PM »
It's the sheets. No, seriously. Eating off the land can produce dire consequences. Saw a Gunny cry like a baby. Hang tough.

Yeah, I mean, I've been trying to lose about 5lbs, so this will be great! lol

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« Reply #416 on: June 06, 2017, 03:17:50 PM »
I don't know where you're going for SERE, but where you live now they could just drop you off in the middle of King Ranch or Kennedy Ranch and that'd be pretty tough going for a few days.

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« Reply #417 on: June 06, 2017, 03:18:59 PM »
Heh, that 5 lbs will prolly turn into 25 lbs before it's over.

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« Reply #418 on: June 06, 2017, 03:31:07 PM »
I don't know where you're going for SERE, but where you live now they could just drop you off in the middle of King Ranch or Kennedy Ranch and that'd be pretty tough going for a few days.

lol middle of the desert in California. I've actually seen the site, when I was in El Centro we did a "victory lap" over it to motivate the dudes going through hell lol. It's gonna be pretty freaking hot lol.

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« Reply #419 on: June 06, 2017, 03:44:22 PM »
lol. I've never heard "fun" and "SERE" in the same sentence before...
I taught SERE at the zoo for 2 years, so here's my input...

"Fun" at SERE is 100% about the attitude. If you're a city boy who's never seen the milky way and you get all faint at the thought of eating something you just picked up off the ground, then yea its gonna be rough.  On the other hand, it is EXTREMELY unlikely they're gonna let you die out there, so the best approach is to go into it with a completely open mind and be willing to accept, embrace, and most importantly, TRY everything they tell you, without reservation.  Throw yourself into the experience and you'll find that it really can be fun.  It's the people who resist the instruction, scoff at it, think they know better (hey I was a rock climber so I'm an expert in the mountains!!!111one that sort of thing), or otherwise don't take full advantage of the program who end up miserable.

Think about this - rich people pay thousands of dollars to go do, for fun, what you're gonna get paid to do.

Examples - when they give you instruction on what is edible in the local area, treat it as a no-kidding scavenger hunt, and try to find and eat one of everything on the list.  Get that over with before you someday find yourself in a situation where you need to do it to survive.  When they discuss shelters, clothing protection/preservation, set yourself the task of making the best danged shelter you can, so you can see for yourself what works, what is effective, what is a total waste of time.  When you're standing in 3 ft of snow wearing nothing but a flight suit and a ejection-shredded flight jacket, that's not the right time to guess or experiment with what kind of expedient shelter you can make quickly before you spend even a moment on a "better" but more time consuming plan.

So.  Try EVERYTHING.  Not kidding.  Eat that damned rabbit eyeball, and turn the skin into an improvised glove.  In your "spare time" after dinner, grab your knife, a bone shard, and some rabbit tendon (you DID save some before throwing bunny into the stew pot right?) and see for yourself how hard it is to sew rabbit skin together.  Save the bunny brains and see if you can tan a section of rabbit hide with it.  Make a fish trap if you're near water.

I guarantee that you'll learn more by trying stuff out, and you'll be busy enough that it really will be interesting/fun instead of an exercise into how miserable you can convince yourself that you are.

As for food...  Again, get over it.  You're not gonna get enough "real" food to keep from being hungry, but you WON'T STARVE, so just get over it before training starts.  No whining.  If you're hungry, take that list of local edibles and go shopping around your campsite for some home-grown eats.  But get over it before you even show up, because there's no mercy from the instructor cadre. And the miserable food whiners are irritating as f**k because you can't hide from the fact that they're not paying attention and will be a total drain on group resources if they ever find themselves in a real survival situation.

Night navigation - good luck, go slow and don't fall into the creek.  If you get lost at night but figure it out at sunrise and execute a prompt plan to get back where you belong, they probably won't make you do it all over again.

Even resistance training...  Go with it, try stuff out, all the cool kids are doing it.  They'll tell you if you're fouling it up, and just remember you won't be the first to make whatever mistake it is they say you're making.  Take mental notes during academics and make a point of trying out the various techniques you're given to cope with certain situations.  That won't make shivering in a too-small box any more pleasant but it'll give you something to do in between hallucinations, even if all you're able to do is make a makeshift sun-dial out of cockroach parts to try to keep track of time  :x

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