need help with twin engine fighters

[Schro]

I need some help with twin engine fighters. Im interested in learning the Me410 primarily. However, I have no clue as to how one flies twin engine fighters.

Are they turn fighters? Energy fighters? I just need some explanation on them.

Thanks.

[Lusche]

Are they turn fighters? Energy fighters? I just need some explanation on them.

The Me 410 is a brick fighter 

[pembquist]

The Me 410 is a brick fighter 

No, your wrong the, 410 consistently loses to bricks.

[pembquist]

Seriously though, the 410 is not much of a fighter plane. You should try the Mossie or the p38 instead. I'm not sure if in this game there is anything generalizable outside of specific model of plane that sets twin engine fighters apart from single engine. Between the Mossie and the P38 for instance there is a lot of difference.

If you really want to fight with the 410 despite or because of its limitations than somebody probably has something intelligent to say, but it sounds masochistic to me.

[WaffenVW]

P-38: High altitude B&Z fighter. Pretty good at that. Terrible low and slow. Can't turn much.
Mosquito VI: Good low-medium alt fighter-bomber. Decent turner, but sluggish and slow climb/accelleration. Awesome firepower.
110G: Same as Mosquito except slower, but turns a little better. Excellent cockpit views.
110C: Turns very good, but slow. Not much firepower.
410: The best firepower in the game, but also the worst turner in the game. Slow climb. Medium speed (not enough to get you out of trouble). The Hornisse is a death bringer to bomber formations, but without little friends to keep the escorts away it's also a death bringer to its own crew.

[PJ_Godzilla]

One question I've always had - and I'll, right up front, state that NO, I don't have much twin stick time.

Is there a way to take advantage of differential throttling? It seems like, if the 109 can do a nose-point with rudder effectively enough to get a snap shot now and again, P-38 should be able to do so in spades with a boot of rudder and engine off, one side, the other on WEP.

I'll add, it is possible to have great fun with a 410. The penultimate time I sortied one, I shredded 4 bombers and was head for the deck to abscond with my ill-gotten gains. Then some clown called Fugitive showed up and shattered the dream. Last time I sortied one, some hyper enthusiastic clown in a pony collided with me. I landed some 12.7 hits on him but, generally, the rear armament isn't very useful.

And, of course, it's a very cool-looking brick, to be fair. You'll look good, even if you're going down more often than Alanis Morrisette in a theater.

[FLS]

Differential throttle is useful post stall or whenever you get slow enough to lose yaw stability. Otherwise you're likely better off with the thrust.

[Randy1]

P-38: High altitude B&Z fighter. Pretty good at that. Terrible low and slow. Can't turn much. . . .

I have to disagree with you here.

The only real fault the P-38 has is amount of attention it gets from the reds.  Put ten planes of different kinds on the red and green side.  At least five of the ten reds will jump the P-38.  That though can be a benefit since the red over fixates on the P-38 and becomes weak at that point.

[PJ_Godzilla]

Differential throttle is useful post stall or whenever you get slow enough to lose yaw stability. Otherwise you're likely better off with the thrust.

That makes a lot of sense. Weathervane effect will override yaw moment due to thrust diff is what i'm hearing... until you get slow. At that point, you might be cooked anyway, but conceivably the ability to point the nose in an unexpected manner might be a life saver. Perhaps on a wingover, at the top..? But I'd guess no better than using the pitch authority. Of course, P-38 is notorious as a roper to begin.

No wonder you're staff.

[WaffenVW]

I have to disagree with you here.

The only real fault the P-38 has is amount of attention it gets from the reds.  Put ten planes of different kinds on the red and green side.  At least five of the ten reds will jump the P-38.  That though can be a benefit since the red over fixates on the P-38 and becomes weak at that point.

Ok, what is it you disagree with specifically?  I tend to use the 109G-6 as a yardstick since it is quite possibly the most...



...fighter of WWII. A P-38J/L will defeat a 109G-6 up high, but down low the 109 is superior. The 109 turns much better and climbs better, and is about as fast down low.

[The Fugitive]

The 38 is awesome at the rope due to the counter rotating props, no yaw when slow and can drop to either side as needed. Del had a split throttle and said the only time it made a difference was in a hammerhead type maneuver.

[FLS]

That makes a lot of sense. Weathervane effect will override yaw moment due to thrust diff is what i'm hearing... until you get slow. At that point, you might be cooked anyway, but conceivably the ability to point the nose in an unexpected manner might be a life saver. Perhaps on a wingover, at the top..? But I'd guess no better than using the pitch authority. Of course, P-38 is notorious as a roper to begin.

A wingover doesn't rotate, you're probably thinking of a hammerhead or stall turn. The P-38 will hammerhead with either rudder or throttle. Both together can be too much. Any twin is likely similar.

Generally the engines are so much closer to the CG than the rudder they don't create a useful amount of yaw. However in a spin you can stop and start the spin at will, reverse spin direction, and pick your exit direction.

[morfiend]

The 38 is awesome at the rope due to the counter rotating props, no yaw when slow and can drop to either side as needed. Del had a split throttle and said the only time it made a difference was in a hammerhead type maneuver.

  He told me he could do real cool doughnuts on the runways with the dual throttles!!!!




     

[mbailey]

Hey there Schrod, if you ever see me on and want to wing in 38s let me know....I've been known to bend one here and there    Be happy to help.

Sorry can't help much with the Luft (scrap) iron

I'll turn all day in the weeds with a 109, one of the AC in game I'm not overly worried about low and slow.

And Randy is right, I swear every red guy within site of you wants your hide

[WaffenVW]

It's like that in all the twins.