Another terrorist attack: US Soil

[Serenity]

no, what I am saying is you can sit here and talk all you want about reporting.  but like the neighbor said, he didnt want to be accused of racism.  really?  I call it bs.  the guy didnt call because he wasnt sure and now he wants the attention.

I would argue that people like you, whom immediately throw the word racist at anyone who dares think unlike you, is what caused him not to report it...

[NatCigg]

I would argue that people like you, whom immediately throw the word racist at anyone who dares think unlike you, is what caused him not to report it...

I would argue this is why you get rule 4.  Didn't any body ever tell you not to pass judgement. Judge not les thy be judged or something like that.

Any who, no your wrong anyway.  Semp never said or implied anything. Sorry try again. 

[Serenity]

I would argue this is why you get rule 4.  Didn't any body ever tell you not to pass judgement. Judge not les thy be judged or something like that.

Any who, no your wrong anyway.  Semp never said or implied anything. Sorry try again. 

You're telling ME not to pass judgement?! Semp is the one outright saying the neighbor is racist just for having had suspicions of someone who turned out to be a terrorist!

[Spikes]

You're telling ME not to pass judgement?! Semp is the one outright saying the neighbor is racist just for having had suspicions of someone who turned out to be a terrorist!

Maybe it is just me, but I don't read it that way. If everyone did that on a daily basis it would be hell for a lot of innocent people and "the boy who cried wolf" would ensue.

[DmonSlyr]

Now that's the kind of Northerner talk everyone loves.

While I frequently agree with violator's perspective, I'm definitely more aligned with Zack's pie hole on the matter of cowardice. I don't see this people as cowardly at all. Indeed, I think it takes pretty big stones to drop off the baby and intentionally go commit acts that are almost certain to lead to your own death.

Savage? Perhaps... But I just think of them as the implacable foe. Thus, a terrible calculus of the type advanced by W T Sherman has to apply at about this juncture, and it doesn't bode well. Sherman, pre-Civil War, estimated the number of Confederat casualties required to successfully conclude the war. He did this by taking an estimate of fighting-age males, reasoning that most of them would not be persuaded without death or traumatic injury striking in close proximity.

As for The curious focus on that aberrant loon cited, Bustr, of course you're right... You just need to let go of the idea that the citation is concerned with "justice". It became clear to me, mainly from all the gloat icons, that sticking it to person/persons unknown is more attractive for some. You'll see this at all levels of American society. Lynch's curious warbling yesterday being another fine example... Baffling, unless you think like a perp, a thing I know how to do because of a past youthful life that I suspect I have in common with some. Disclaimer: my perpetration was notably petty and off the public record, thank god... But there is a mindset that Patty Smith characterized, imj, in a song that features an epithet in the title.

Imo, its about the psychology of the people behind their actions. These people believe so much that their god will appreciate them and charish them in the aftertlife by killng and causing terrorism in the world with who do not believe their specific theology. Furthermore, they believe that getting the community against their theology will intern cause more people to join their cult out of spite of their religion or prejudices from the public. I think in the middle East it is more of an escape route for stuggling people who have absolutely nothing. In the US, its about carrying on the ideology. These are people who value the afterlife moreso than the reality of their life. They kill because their life here is worth nothing. If they think that about themselves think how they feel about other people. On the other side, the terror will cause militaristic action, higher security protocols, and more social differences in our society. 

[NatCigg]

I think it like this.  They have their view.  It means a lot to them.  To go against it is a violation against what they believe and their place on earth is to preserve their way of life.  Just like us.  Zack is right.  As long as we are a threat to their culture there will be war.  But when the oils gone I bet they still mad. But I'm guessing. Maybe love wins in the end.  I sure hope so. 

[Widewing]

no the question posted before is why didnt somebody call the police.  my answer is how are we supposed to know.  should I report anybody with a gun?

I have seen in my apartment complex

-people loading multiple guns in cars
-wearing cammo
-wearing all black
-having a beard
-talking about hoarding guns and ammo
-talking non-sense about the government wanting to take over (they're fricking nuts)

so tell me how am I supposed to know somebody is up to no good?


semp

Sounds like some of the crowd I see at the range much of the time.... I'm the one standing out, wearing blue jeans and a ball cap... I've always wondeed why folks go to the range in full camo, what does it do for them? Does it make them a better shooter? Helps them zero their rifles? I wear what I always wear when I have a day off, except for hearing protection. I even wear that when using power tools (leaf blower, mostly).

Folks, you have to know people well enough to note a change in behavior. Judging by appearance alone is probably unwise. That doesn't mean you don't pay attention, though.

[guncrasher]

You're telling ME not to pass judgement?! Semp is the one outright saying the neighbor is racist just for having had suspicions of someone who turned out to be a terrorist!

i never said the neighbor is racist.  the neighbor himself said he didn't call the police because he didn't want to appear racist.


semp

[Copprhed]

It is much more likely that we will be killed by an American with guns than by a terrorist; this is not opinion, it is statistics. Observant, yes, fearful and opposed to Muslims, no. One cannot judge a religion by the extremists that claim that religion, they are aberrations, and I fear Christian extremists every bit as much as Muslim extremists. Let's not forget that there are Hindu and Jewish extremists also. It's the primary reason that I believe religion is and should be a personal thing, not to be imposed or argued with anyone.

[Brooke]

it is statistics.

Using statistics is good.

I fear Christian extremists every bit as much as Muslim extremists.

I think that your statistics are off on that one, though.

[Vulcan]

Using statistics is good.

I think that your statistics are off on that one, though.

O RLY?

Planned Parenthood shooter Robert Lewis Dear was a doomsday Christian who believed his religion gave him the right to do anything he wanted. This is what one of his three ex-wives said about him in divorce documents dated in 1993. Raw Story reports that the accused shooter’s interpretation of Christian dogma emboldened him to commit various crimes over the course of his life — and, ultimately, the shooting at a Colorado Planned Parenthood that killed three innocent people.

[NatCigg]

O RLY?

ouch, its amazing what a little intolerant belief can do.  hence why strangers and co-workers should not talk on these issues. 

[Copprhed]

Brooke, the perpetrators of every bombing and/or murder at an abortion clinic have professed strong Christian "values". Christian lawmakers continuously attempted to violate the Constitution and outlaw gay marriage. We are all entitled to hold the moral values that our faith espouses, but they are PERSONAL values, and the Constitution  expressly states that " Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof ". Any law that is solely based on certain religions' opinions, values et cetera, which those laws were, violated other religions' rights to have different views. That is religious extremism, though not of a violent type. I would not want to have any one religion or denomination mandating my personal religious views, or mandating them on someone who espouses no religion at all. There are Hindus killing Muslims, Jews burning Arab boys to death, and believe me, any of those types of extremism can come here.

[zack1234]

 

[Serenity]

i never said the neighbor is racist.  the neighbor himself said he didn't call the police because he didn't want to appear racist.


semp

I'm sorry, you're right, I mixed you up with NatCigg. Which just solidifies my point, that NatCigg, you're telling ME not to pass judgement?!