Dogfight : F35 vs F16

[GScholz]

In what way is it "safe to say" the Meteor is better than the AMRAAM?

[Vraciu]

It's still safe to say that missiles like the Meteor is better than the AMRAAM. We also know very little about the performance of the AA-12 so it would be hard to determine how good the AMRAAM is compared to what it can be expected to meet.

You'll never get through to the true believers.   

You cannot say the AMRAAM is a death wand.  The small sample size of actual employment tells us only one thing, that it isn't a 90% kill shot missile and never has been--nor will it be.  Nothing is.

Also, with the F-22 at least it is launched from a higher altitude and speed increasing its range (pole length).   The JSF, as I have repeatedly explained, is shooting uphill a full Mach number slower than its opponents.   This decreases its effective range and PK.   The enemy can ripple fire at a longer range forcing the JSF to break off.   If the JSF shoots at its max range from low and slow the enemy can turn away and run the AMRAAM out of fuel.

Also, when it is ten against two the T/A-35 is gonna' get run down and killed no matter how many missiles it is carrying.

One of my buds was an F-22 Wing Commander among other posts.   When I asked him about the AMRAAM he had much he could not say, but what I got from reading between the lines is the thing is no panacea--no weapon system is.

[Krusty]

Was... was he bitten by a scorpion?

[Oldman731]

Was... was he bitten by a scorpion?

Heh...

Oldman

[Invictus84]

Based on my first offline flight with the F5 in DCS,  I believe we should dump the AMRAAM and go back to the AIM9P.   

 

[Rich46yo]

See Rule #4

[GScholz]

F-35A IOC 

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/08/02/f35-ioc-air-force-operational-acc-combat/87948142/

"WASHINGTON — The Air Force on Tuesday declared its first squadron of F-35As ready for battle, fifteen years after Lockheed Martin won the contract to make the plane.

The milestone means that the service can now send its first operational F-35 formation — the 34th Fighter Squadron located at Hill Air Force Base, Utah — into combat operations anywhere in the world."

[Vraciu]

F-35A IOC 

http://www.defensenews.com/story/breaking-news/2016/08/02/f35-ioc-air-force-operational-acc-combat/87948142/

"WASHINGTON — The Air Force on Tuesday declared its first squadron of F-35As ready for battle, fifteen years after Lockheed Martin won the contract to make the plane.

The milestone means that the service can now send its first operational F-35 formation — the 34th Fighter Squadron located at Hill Air Force Base, Utah — into combat operations anywhere in the world."

 


"Critics of the program have said declaring IOC is more of a marketing move than an actual operational one, as the service set the IOC requirements itself. Harrison acknowledged that view, but said IOC is still an improtant step forward."


Absolutely true.   It can't even employ weapons.   Combat ready?  LOL.  Nope.


Quote:

Remember, ladies and gentlemen: when you ask the Air Force a question about the F-35, you’re not going to get a candid answer … you’re going to get a scripted one.

We know this because F-35 discussions are governed not by unguarded insights or unvarnished opinions, but by strictly controlled flows of information and message discipline that would make a presidential campaign blush.

http://www.jqpublicblog.com/latest-f-35-talking-points-abuse-airpower-history/




Quote:

An eight-page propaganda plan obtained by JQP — labeled “F-35A Public Affairs Guidance” and shared in entirety below — lays out in painstaking (and painful) detail the authorized answers to public questions about the program.


http://www.jqpublicblog.com/ten-things-you-should-know-about-the-air-forces-f-35-propaganda-effort/

[GScholz]

[Vraciu]

The Brewster Buffalo of the 21st Century.   *SMH* 

[Krusty]

Vraciu you're only hurting your own credibility by posting such sources. That's the most vitriolic hate-spewing article I've read in months with little to no basis in fact most of the time. Every sentence in every paragraph is loaded with prejudiced terminology and total bias. To call it Yellow Journalism would be too kind. You seriously need to broaden your horizons to more balanced and fair reporting and articles.

This... Even Rush Limbaugh wouldn't condone an article like this. It would be far beneath him. And we all know how "balanced" and "fair" Rush was.

[Vraciu]

Vraciu you're only hurting your own credibility by posting such sources. That's the most vitriolic hate-spewing article I've read in months with little to no basis in fact most of the time. Every sentence in every paragraph is loaded with prejudiced terminology and total bias. To call it Yellow Journalism would be too kind. You seriously need to broaden your horizons to more balanced and fair reporting and articles.

This... Even Rush Limbaugh wouldn't condone an article like this. It would be far beneath him. And we all know how "balanced" and "fair" Rush was.

Again, I quoted directly from the USAF's own published documents.  Perhaps you are referencing some other article posted by some other somebody?

This airplane is garbage.  Everyone knows it.    If they don't, they'll find out eventually.

Six years behind schedule.   Tasked with doing things it wasn't designed for.   Built for yesterday's war.

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[Krusty]

I'm sorry, but you must have at least "this much" common sense to participate in a civil discussion, and so far... it's just extremist rantings that aren't based on facts.

P.S. John Q Public's rant blog is not a voice for official USAF statements or positions.

[Vraciu]

I'm sorry, but you must have at least "this much" common sense to participate in a civil discussion, and so far... it's just extremist rantings that aren't based on facts.

P.S. John Q Public's rant blog is not a voice for official USAF statements or positions.

He posted a screenshot of the approved talking points.

The USAF got busted.

Don't shoot me, I am just the messenger.

This airplane is garbage by every metric.

[Vraciu]

BTW, I find it rather.......ironic...that JSF cheerleaders scream bias.   Every source they quote is filled with propaganda and nonsense but they call it fact.  Any criticism of the Just So Failed is called "biased" even when it comes from the Pentagon's own oversight officer.

Hilarious.