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Offline pipz

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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2016, 02:21:25 AM »
You're so right.  Every single story I've ever read was taken at face value.

Exactly what information do you have which leads you to believe the story was fabricated?   


Didn't take long to prove your point.

LOL!!!! No your rite. Its on the internet. Its about a "hero". There is absolutely no track record of false stories for anyone to question anything............
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #31 on: April 10, 2016, 03:08:01 PM »
LOL!!!! No your rite. Its on the internet. Its about a "hero". There is absolutely no track record of false stories for anyone to question anything............

pipz relax.  every story we hear about a hero is just on the internet.  but the truth is if somebody think he's a hero then he's a hero.  some persons in here think their folks are heroes.  while I can question their standards of what a hero is it doesnt matter to them.

I think my father is a hero, he served in vietnam.  my mother disagrees with me so does my brothers and sisters.  I have seen him maybe 10 times in my life for no more than a day or 2.  but I know he carries a pain.  I understand that because I carry the same.  I know nothing about him other than he served there.  so your definition maybe different than mine but it wont stop me from thinking he's a hero.

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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2016, 03:34:17 PM »
Everyone is a hero to somebody. That doesn't excuse the excessive hero worship we give to soldiers.
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2016, 04:57:18 PM »
Semp you completely missed my point. What I was getting at is that it is "ok" to question a story.

Cya up!

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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2016, 05:02:05 PM »
pipz you can question any story.  but it wont change the facts.


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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2016, 07:02:36 PM »
pipz you can question any story.  but it wont change the facts.

I believe the point of questioning things is to find out the facts. Correct?
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2016, 07:17:10 PM »
I believe the point of questioning things is to find out the facts. Correct?

It sounds way cooler to question instead of seek facts.

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« Reply #37 on: April 10, 2016, 07:18:58 PM »
It sounds way cooler to question instead of seek facts.

Its not the same thing?
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2016, 08:05:27 PM »
Its not the same thing?

Some people question to seek facts.  Others question because it makes them feel like they are wiser then they are. 

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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2016, 06:30:02 AM »
.. anything is possible in Palmyra;

Hey, don't go all Linda Blair on us now...

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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2016, 11:21:57 PM »
Everyone is a hero to somebody. That doesn't excuse the excessive hero worship we give to soldiers.

Interesting assessment.  Acknowledging their deeds doesn't constitute worship.

"Heroic courage isn't blind. It is intelligent and strong" - Yu - the 4th Virtue of Bushido

A person can do much worse than to look up to a person who exhibits evidence of selflessness, intelligence, and strength.
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« Reply #41 on: April 12, 2016, 01:44:17 AM »
japanese killed 100's of thousands.  and yet plenty of heroic pilot threads are posted here.


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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #42 on: April 13, 2016, 09:31:07 PM »
Interesting assessment.  Acknowledging their deeds doesn't constitute worship.

"Heroic courage isn't blind. It is intelligent and strong" - Yu - the 4th Virtue of Bushido

A person can do much worse than to look up to a person who exhibits evidence of selflessness, intelligence, and strength.

I'm all for acknowledging their service, more to the point, rewarding it. Veteran care is one of the most odious things about the US.

However we also seem to have a romanticized/glorified view of war, and forget that in addition to the harm, both psychological and physical, it does to our own soldiers, but that their job is to kill other people.


Consider that Russian fellow who is alleged to have called an air strike on himself. The overwhelming response I've seen has been in the vein of  "oh that's bad ass." "That dude is so American, even if he's Russian", *waves rock-hard freedom boner around*.

He's no less dead for his heroism, his wife is no less heartbroken. His daughter still will grow up without a daddy because we haven't been able to move past killing each other as an acceptable solution to disagreements.

Or Chris Kyle. Yes the man was an accomplished sniper. He 100% killed kids. Was it justifiable? Absolutely. But a kid died because of the circumstances he grew up in, and Kyle happened to get him in the scope. Which is a horrible tragedy.

Point being we, as a culture, take far too little time to really try and understand what exactly war is.
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #43 on: April 13, 2016, 09:55:54 PM »
War is a necessity. As long as the human race cultivates multiple and conflicting cultures we will have war. Every major war ever fought has been a clash of cultures. At some point in the future, if we survive that long as a species, we will become a world spanning mono-culture where large scale conflicts are no longer necessary. Crackpots and terrorists will always exist, but not on the scale we see now.
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Re: Battle of Palmyra. Last words...
« Reply #44 on: April 14, 2016, 01:07:16 AM »
War is a necessity. As long as the human race cultivates multiple and conflicting cultures we will have war. Every major war ever fought has been a clash of cultures. At some point in the future, if we survive that long as a species, we will become a world spanning mono-culture where large scale conflicts are no longer necessary. Crackpots and terrorists will always exist, but not on the scale we see now.

Necessary or not, and I don't necessarily agree, it's still tragic. We should treat it and view it as such.
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