i3 i5 i7

[bortas1]

AH only uses 2 cores so anything more is overkill for AH but may be useful in other applications.  As Bizman said there was a time AH could only use a single core in certain AMD CPU's.  Not sure if that's still the case or not.

I3's are dual core processors so are enough for AH as long as you have a high enough clock speed.  I5's and I7's are both quad cores with the I7 having a larger cache, thus the ability to process larger amounts of data faster than the I5 of similar speed.  This is useful for graphics applications, video editing, etc.

Intel no longer uses a front end bus.  In the Core2Duos you overclocked by increasing the BUS speed.  The I series Intels use something called a ring BUS to move data in and out of cache.  The ring BUS can be overclocked independently of the processor cores and vice versa.  Only the K series Intels allow overclocking of the processor cores.  This can be done in one of two ways; increasing the core clock or increasing the multiplier or a combination of both.

Because there's no longer a front end BUS RAM speed is independent of the processor.  In the old days running RAM at a higher clock speed than the front end BUS was wasted money as the RAM would have to wait on the CPU.  As RAM moved from DDR2 to DDR3 to DDR4 it's clock speeds had to increase but at the same time CAS latency also increased. I forget the exact numbers but it's something like DDR2 800, DDR3 1600 and DDR4 3200 are almost equivalent.  There's a good article about this on Anandtech IIRC.  In building my new computer DDR4 2400 was almost as fast as DDR4 3200 at a lower price due to the increase in CAS latency but I opted for the DDR4 3200 nonetheless.  Moving to DDR4 3600 or higher showed no appreciable gains.

Back to the old days we knew an Intel CPU was double pumped.  Thus, running on a 1600 Mhz front end BUS to DDR2 RAM each core was running at 400 Mhz (400*2 cores*double pumped=1600) and because the RAM was DDR2 transferring data at the tops and bottoms of the cycle 1600/2=800 Mhz  RAM kept both in sync.  I'm sure there's still some relationship between CPU core clock speeds and RAM speeds but try as I might I haven't been able to find it but even if I could it may be of little consequence given that you can change both the CPU's core clock and the multiplier now.

Hope that helps.

ok I didn't understand all of this but still learning thank you

[bortas1]

I like Intel CPU's over AMD CPU's.  My preference used to be based on everyone testing everything more thoroughly on Intel CPU's that AMD, and thus fewer weird issues with drivers, software, etc. on Intel.  These days, Intel CPU's might perform better per $ cost as well, although I'm not positive about that.

I prefer nVidia GPU's to AMD GPU's.  My preference is based on, long ago not liking the quality of Radeon drivers vs. GeForce drivers and liking the antialiasing of nVidia cards better than Radeon cards.  These days, my preference is that nVidia seems to use less wattage than AMD GPU's for similar performance.  Also, I have been happy with nVidia cards in recent years.

I get i5 CPU's because they are faster (usually -- can depend on some specifics) than i3's but significantly (to my measure of significance) less costly than i7's.  So, for me, it is a happy medium.

I have found that even an i5-2400 (a Dell computer, which cost $500 when new) and a GeForce GTX 750 Ti card (which costs about $130 today) gives me approx. 60 fps in AH3 beta flying offline around a base with drones.

im leaning towards NVidia. but is evga and GeForce same?

[Brooke]

im leaning towards NVidia. but is evga and GeForce same?

nVidia makes the GeForce series of graphics processing chips and chipsets.

Other companies buy these from nVidia and then make the graphics card.  Those other companies include EVGA, MSI, Zotac, Gigabyte, etc.

AMD likewise makes the Radeon series of graphics chips and chipsets.

Companies that buy the AMD chips and make cards out of them include Sapphire, Powercolor, etc.

[bortas1]

nVidia makes the GeForce series of graphics processing chips and chipsets.

Other companies buy these from nVidia and then make the graphics card.  Those other companies include EVGA, MSI, Zotac, Gigabyte, etc.

AMD likewise makes the Radeon series of graphics chips and chipsets.

Companies that buy the AMD chips and make cards out of them include Sapphire, Powercolor, etc.

:salutethank you for the clarification. that really helps a lot.

[bortas1]

  hey gents this is my first draft if I try to build it my self. im still looking at other options so this isn't set in stone. here it goes.

cpu: intrl core 15-6600 3.3ghz quad=core processor                                                                               $215.99

cooler: cooler master hyper 212evo 82.9 cfm sleeve bearing cpu cooler             $34.89 -$10.00 mail rb       $24.89

motherboard: gigabyte ga-z170-hd3  atx lga1151 motherboard                        $94.99-$10.00 mail rb         $87.98

memory: g.skill ripjaws v series 32gm (2x16gm)dd4-3200 memory                 free shipping                      $149.99

storage: western digital caviar blue 1tb 3.5" 7200rpm internal hard drive                                                   $47.77

video card: evga GeForce gxt 960 4gb supersc acx 2.0 +video card               $214.99-$20.00 mail rb free $194.99

case: phanteks pro atx full tower case                                                         $89.99-$15.00 mail rb free  $  74.99

power supply: evga500w 80+bronze certifies atx power supply                    $34.99-$5.00 mail rb free     $  29.99

optical drive: lg uh12ns30 Blu-ray reader,dvd/cd writer                                                                         $  39.99

os: micro office windows 10 home oem (64-bit)                                       $95.49-$10.00  mail rb           $   85.49

software: micro office home  and student2016                                                                       free         $ 114.00

keyboard: gear  head keyboard wired slim kb w/touchpad                         $32.99      $2.99  ship            $  35.98

wired network adapter:intel e1g42etblk 10/100/1000mbps pci-expressx4  #56.01      $3.99 ship             $  60.00

speakers:logiteck  z200  ow 2ch speakers                                                                                            $  24.89



   
                                                                                                                                   base total     $1246.97
                                                                                                                          mail in rebates     -$   70.00
                                                                                                                                  shipping        $    9.97

                                                                                                                                          total     $1186.94

what do yall think

[guncrasher]

I dont think you need 23 gigs of ram.  16 is plenty.  use the extra money to buy a 970vc or a slightly bigger power supply.


semp

also you can use office libre or open office.  both are free and do the same thing as msoffice.

[Bizman]

Here's is my suggestion of some modifications explained:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/pgVkkL

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz) A little faster one which allows for overclocking, the price difference is nominal.
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.49 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg) Less RAM, but this has a lower latency i.e. it's faster.
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($308.99 @ NCIX US) As Guncrasher suggested, saving in RAM can be used for a better video card.
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz) Again as Guncrasher said, a slightly bigger power supply. This one is made by a reliable manufacturer and has some other advantages, too.
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($39.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($85.49 @ OutletPC) It's your choice, who am I to argue.
Software: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2016  ($114.00 @ Adorama) As said, do you really need this or can you do with the free ones? Comparison here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office. You can also use older versions of Office if you already own one. 2007 and up should install to Win10 without issues.
Keyboard: Gear Head KBL5925W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Laser Mouse  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z200 0W 2ch Speakers  ($24.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1287.45 A much more capable gaming rig for only $100 more! And if you can opt Office out, there's your $100.
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-14 07:54 EDT-0400

[bortas1]

I dont think you need 23 gigs of ram.  16 is plenty.  use the extra money to buy a 970vc or a slightly bigger power supply.


semp

also you can use office libre or open office.  both are free and do the same thing as msoffice.

  I don't need that much  ram or the system don't need that much ram? in a 64gm system 32gm too much? im little confused about this point.
when I created this it said all I need was  like 385w. that's why I got 500w. can you have too much power? what am I missing here?
so far as  software don't matter. if I can get it free or just as good ok with me.

[bortas1]

Here's is my suggestion of some modifications explained:

PCPartPicker part list: http://.com/p/pgVkkL

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz) A little faster one which allows for overclocking, the price difference is nominal.
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler  ($24.49 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg) Less RAM, but this has a lower latency i.e. it's faster.
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($308.99 @ NCIX US) As Guncrasher suggested, saving in RAM can be used for a better video card.
Case: Phanteks Enthoo Pro ATX Full Tower Case  ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: SeaSonic 650W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply  ($78.99 @ SuperBiiz) Again as Guncrasher said, a slightly bigger power supply. This one is made by a reliable manufacturer and has some other advantages, too.
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($39.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($85.49 @ OutletPC) It's your choice, who am I to argue.
Software: Microsoft Office Home and Student 2016  ($114.00 @ Adorama) As said, do you really need this or can you do with the free ones? Comparison here: https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Feature_Comparison:_LibreOffice_-_Microsoft_Office. You can also use older versions of Office if you already own one. 2007 and up should install to Win10 without issues.
Keyboard: Gear Head KBL5925W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Laser Mouse  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z200 0W 2ch Speakers  ($24.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1287.45 A much more capable gaming rig for only $100 more! And if you can opt Office out, there's your $100.
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-14 07:54 EDT-0400

thanks for the edited version I do like it better. but I blew my $800usd budget. so what to do what to do.

[Bizman]

  I don't need that much  ram or the system don't need that much ram? in a 64gm system 32gm too much? im little confused about this point.
when I created this it said all I need was  like 385w. that's why I got 500w. can you have too much power? what am I missing here?
so far as  software don't matter. if I can get it free or just as good ok with me.

Most likely you don't need that much (32 GB) RAM. Unless you're going to do some serious video editing, that is. For Windows 10 Processor:1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster, RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit are the official minimums. Note that those numbers are for Windows only, for anything else you'd like to run you need more. For enjoyably playing games like AH3 a multi core processor @ 3+ GHz and 8+ GB of RAM will perform well. There's a noticeable leap between 4 and 8 GB in the general feel, and probably also between 8 and 16 GB. Past that you most likely won't be able to tell any difference in everyday use. As said, there's memory intensive tasks such as video editing. Supposedly you would have mentioned if such tasks were on your to-do list.

Yes, you can have too much power. A good quality 500W should be enough for the GTX 960 you planned. The GTX 970 I suggested needs a little more, that's why I changed the PSU to 650 W. 600 W should also do.

Keep asking! 

[Bizman]

thanks for the edited version I do like it better. but I blew my $800usd budget. so what to do what to do.

Oh, I took the price level from your original suggestion... Let's play with partpicker some more.

[bortas1]

Most likely you don't need that much (32 GB) RAM. Unless you're going to do some serious video editing, that is. For Windows 10 Processor:1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster, RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit are the official minimums. Note that those numbers are for Windows only, for anything else you'd like to run you need more. For enjoyably playing games like AH3 a multi core processor @ 3+ GHz and 8+ GB of RAM will perform well. There's a noticeable leap between 4 and 8 GB in the general feel, and probably also between 8 and 16 GB. Past that you most likely won't be able to tell any difference in everyday use. As said, there's memory intensive tasks such as video editing. Supposedly you would have mentioned if such tasks were on your to-do list.

Yes, you can have too much power. A good quality 500W should be enough for the GTX 960 you planned. The GTX 970 I suggested needs a little more, that's why I changed the PSU to 650 W. 600 W should also do.

Keep asking! 

ok just making sure I don't have too much. mainly its what skuzzy had said on another post.

[Bizman]

This is basically the same as previously, with another case and cooler and a tad smaller power supply. And without Office:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YdWgYJ

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions CC-Siberian-01 51.9 CFM CPU Cooler  ($9.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($308.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($39.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($85.49 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Gear Head KBL5925W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Laser Mouse  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z200 0W 2ch Speakers  ($24.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1077.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-14 13:45 EDT-0400

The next step would be cutting off some performance. A cheaper processor, a dual core i3-6320 @3.9 GHz would cut ~80 off. GTX 960 instead of 970 ~100. And a little smaller Seasonic PSU for ~20 less. That would be quite close to the $800 budget.

[save]

I would keep the 970 if I where you.
It's the first thing you need to replace in a few years anyway ( if you play other modern games)
 

[bortas1]

This is basically the same as previously, with another case and cooler and a tad smaller power supply. And without Office:

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/YdWgYJ

CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor  ($233.99 @ SuperBiiz)
CPU Cooler: Gelid Solutions CC-Siberian-01 51.9 CFM CPU Cooler  ($9.88 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170-HD3 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard  ($87.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3200 Memory  ($114.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($48.77 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card  ($308.99 @ NCIX US)
Case: Thermaltake VL80001W2Z ATX Mid Tower Case  ($22.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: SeaSonic S12II 620W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply  ($59.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Optical Drive: LG UH12NS30 Blu-Ray Reader, DVD/CD Writer  ($39.89 @ OutletPC)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 10 Home OEM (64-bit)  ($85.49 @ OutletPC)
Keyboard: Gear Head KBL5925W Wireless Standard Keyboard w/Laser Mouse  ($39.99 @ Amazon)
Speakers: Logitech Z200 0W 2ch Speakers  ($24.89 @ SuperBiiz)
Total: $1077.84
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-04-14 13:45 EDT-0400

The next step would be cutting off some performance. A cheaper processor, a dual core i3-6320 @3.9 GHz would cut ~80 off. GTX 960 instead of 970 ~100. And a little smaller Seasonic PSU for ~20 less. That would be quite close to the $800 budget.

had to change the case because the one you suggested had no front panel, so I substituted thermaltake versea h23  atx mid tower  think its a few dollars  difference.