What should the February Scenario be?

[Brooke]

OK, folks. It's time to start gathering ideas for what the next scenario should be. 

It is tentatively scheduled for February.

Since the last scenario was 12-hour format, this next one will be 4 frames.

What should the battle be?

Like last time, we will gather suggestions for a while, have a primary vote, then take the top 4 and vote on which it will be.  Very roughly speaking, the process will be about a month to get to a final vote, a month+ for design, and a month+ for recruiting to fill spots.

CO volunteers are welcome at any time in the process. 

[Beefcake]

Maybe something Russia or Japanese themed. To be honest I really want to do BoB in 12 hour format so that might have to wait until late next year.

I know Her Vudu wants to fly some Ki43s.

[Brooke]

A list of the suggested events last time around.

Feel free to add more or suggest different versions of whatever -- this is just for reference.

1.  Battle of Britain.  Britain's finest hour.  Spit I's, Hurri I's vs. 109E's, 110C's, He 111's, and Ju 88's.

2.  New Guinea, 1943.  Fierce fighting involving Japan's highest-scoring aces.  Ki-43, Ki-61, maybe Betty?, P-40, P-38G, B-25.

3.  Channel Dash.  The Kriegsmarine is trying to get Scharnhorst, Gneisenau, and Prinz Eugen to safety.  The Luftwaffe put up a huge moving CAP over the Channel, and the RAF struck in force.  Spit V, Hurri II, Beaufort, Wellington, Swordfish, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, maybe Ju 88.

4.  North Africa.  Fights in the desert of North Africa.  A very fun plane set and nice change of terrain.  Spit V, Spit IX, P-38G, P-40, P-39, A-20, B-25, Boston, 109G, 109F, 190A-5, 110C, C.202, Ju 88.

5.  Late-war 8th AF.  8th AF strategic bombing with high-alt escorts vs. high-alt Luftwaffe.  Like DGS/BOG.  P-51, P-47, P-38, B-17, B-24, 109G-14, 109K, 190D, maybe some 190A-8.

6.  Cactus Air Force.  These guys fought out of Henderson Field on Guadalcanal under very tough conditions and held the place against concerted and repeated Japanese air attacks.  This is where Joe Foss fought.  A6M2, A6M3, D3A, G4M, F4F, P-39, SBD, TBM.

7.  Battle of the Bismarck Sea.  A major engagement in the Guadalcanal Campaign with a good matchup of aircraft.  Ki-43, Zero, P-40, P-39, P-38G, A-20, B-25, singleton B-17/B-24.

8.  Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands.  A battle between carrier groups.  Zero, D3A, B5N, F4F, SBD, TBM.

9.  Late-war Philippines.  A fight with late-war Japanese fighters and bombers.  Ki-84, N1K1, Ki-61, A6M5b, Ki-67, P-47, P-38, F4U, F6F, B-25, B-24.

10.  Modified D-Day.  Like D-Day, but with strong Luftwaffe opposition.  So, D-Day aircraft set on allied side, but later-war Luftwaffe stuff in equal abundance in opposition.  This one is usually quite fun when we run it as This Day in WWII.  It would work as a 4-frame and perhaps especially well as 12-hour.

11. Operation Unthinkable.  A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.

12. Late-war USAAF vs. Japan.  A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29 -- like frame 4 of "The Pacific War" scenario, which was decently balanced.

13. Winter War -- Brewsters 109e 110c's  p39s i16s

14. Rangoon type (AVG/allies vs. IJAF)

15. Winter Germany/Spring Germany, BOG-like event.

16.  Late-war Soviet vs. Japan ("what if" scenario).

17. Summer 1941 RAF raids against Luftwaffe in France / coastal areas.  "Johnnie Johnson describes it as the most brutal air fighting of the war."

[Randy1]

OK, folks. It's time to start gathering ideas for what the next scenario should be. 

It is tentatively scheduled for February.

Since the last scenario was 12-hour format, this next one will be 4 frames. . . .

Are you set the next will be 4 frames?  This last 12 hr event was such a success.

 I like the late war planes in this.  Late-war USAAF vs. Japan.  A6M5b, KI61, N1K2-J, KI-45 (BF110C-4b), KI84 vs. P-51D, P-47N, P-38L, B-29

[artik]

What I don't see is early Eastern front i.e. 1941 Summer, Barbarossa one of the most important air campaigns of WW2 that resulted in total air superiority for LW on eastern front.

I think today we do have very relevant plane set:

Axis: 109E-4 and limited 109F-4; bombers Ju-87, He-111 & Ju-88; tanks Panzer IV with short 75mm canon
Allies: I-16 and limited Yak-7b; bombers IL-2; Tanks T-34

I want to note that ideally we need 109F-2 and Yak-1, LaGG-3 and MiG-3... but we don't

109F-4 is later version with more powerful engine that wan't avalible in significant numbers in 1941
Yak-7b is also 1942 version but in terms of performance it was still close to Yak-1

So I think this plane set would be very representative, also it is later that exactly 1941 it is good enough and balanced match I-16 vs 109E and Yak-7b vs 109F-4. Same for tanks and bombers.

11. Operation Unthinkable.  A "what if" scenario of Soviets vs. RAF.

If you are doing "what if" so I'd suggest what if Korean war was started at 1946... i.e. La-7, Yak-9U, Yak-3, Tu-2, IL-2 vs P-51D, F4U4, Spitfires XVI/XIV. It little bit more historic concept (BTW on the beginning there were indeed La-9, IL-10 and Yaks)


Of course 1948 Arab Israeli war^* would be cool as well ;-) 

* draft needs rework.

[Nefarious]

I have a concept I would like to run before February. Just depends on Brookes schedule as I do not want them to overlap each other.

[branch37]

Solomons. P-40, F4F, F4U,B-17/25, A6M, Ki-61, G4M, D3A, B5N. Maybe P-38s but I'm not sure on that one.


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[Zimme83]

Barbarossa with I-16/Yak-7 vs 109E/F would be just as big slaughter as it was irl.

[Guppy35]

What will draw the largest numbers?   

[puller]

So lets look at this....

We don't want to use our Battle of Britain...so that's out...

We have been in the Mediterranean area for like 2 years of scenarios...that needs to be out.

We have been in Russia since the last Pacific Scenario...

So I guess we need to start looking at the Pacific...I'm wanting to say our big Pacific Scenario was in June of '14?


I like Branch's idea of the Solomons...

Planeset: Allies
F4F-4
P38G
P39D
P40E or F Doesn't matter
SBD
TBM (this is a contentious point)

Japanese
A6M2 (allow bombs)
A6M3 (allow bombs)
KI43
Val
Kate

[Zimme83]

Leave the P-38 and P-39 out and we have a deal. They will unbalance it too much, P-40 is already faster than the other and based on previous scenarios the Wildcat can perform well against Zekes.

[swareiam]

I'd like to see KARELIA as an event.

Finnish AF: B-239, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, JU88s, and (P-40C as a substitute for other aircraft.)

vs.

VVS: La5FN, Yak9T, P-39Q, Il-2 and TU-2s.

That war only lasted until late 1944.

We would need the AH Terrain team to patch up the map and get it back on the road.

But this would be fun. The Fins would probably like to fly in it as well.
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I also like the "Last Bomb".

[Devil 505]

I'd like to see KARELIA as an event.

Finnish AF: B-239, Bf109G-2, Bf109G-6, JU88s, and (P-40C as a substitute for other aircraft.)

vs.

VVS: La5FN, Yak9T, P-39Q, Il-2 and TU-2s.

That war only lasted until late 1944.

We would need the AH Terrain team to patch up the map and get it back on the road.

But this would be fun. The Fins would probably like to fly in it as well.
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We just had an eastern front setup with most of these planes  - and better balanced than this. No thanks.

[shotgunneeley]

Fall of Singapore, February 1942.

RAF Hurricane IIs vs IJA G4M Bettys and Ki-43s set to attack airfields and cities. Could have a light ground game substituting with M3 75mm cannon vs Panzer IV short-barrell and SdKfz 251s set to capture fields.

[Guppy35]

Leave the P-38 and P-39 out and we have a deal. They will unbalance it too much, P-40 is already faster than the other and based on previous scenarios the Wildcat can perform well against Zekes.

You are kiddin right?