some questions about the feb fso

[alpini13]

  just a few questions about the feb fso.  i noticed that the side split was supposed to be 50/50....the allies had 121 as opposed to the axis 99.  im sure in a scenario a 5-6 pilot difference is probably normal...but 22 more pilots?  isnt that about 25% more than the 50/50 split that the  cm team set for this event? and what happens when one side has such a huge advantage?  are there penalties? is scoring affected? do they change the scanario for the next frame? or are the rules and guidlines simply ignored?
  also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they  flew 22, thats over the  max.  again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.
    the allies had 90 fighters in this scenario,plus 31 bomber pilots. the axis had 74 fighters plus 24 bomber destroyers.  and so one side had a clear advantage in both catagories.  this in a 50/50 split scenario.   how will this be situation be addressed?

[fudgums]

Why are you always so negative?

[Spikes]

If every squad was within their min-max for squad numbers, it is what it is. You can't penalize someone because some people have real life things to do and others don't.

[alpini13]

lol...i am asking questions,looking to discuss what went on, and find out what happened....why would anybody think that is negative?  unless they themselves have their own issues .i dont think this thread is about other issues and they should not be discussed here.  just a discussion about the feb fso setup and results.

[alpini13]

if some squads were over there max, and its not an issue, then why do we have a commitment number that when they are over thier max they get a nasty pm about it?  if the commitment number is just to see about how many will show up then why are there nasty pm's due to going over?

[SlipKnt]

  just a few questions about the feb fso.  i noticed that the side split was supposed to be 50/50....the allies had 121 as opposed to the axis 99.  im sure in a scenario a 5-6 pilot difference is probably normal...but 22 more pilots?  isnt that about 25% more than the 50/50 split that the  cm team set for this event? and what happens when one side has such a huge advantage?  are there penalties? is scoring affected? do they change the scanario for the next frame? or are the rules and guidlines simply ignored?

First you have to look at the DESIGN.  Yes.  The DESIGN calls for 50/50.  With this being said.  The squads are responsible for predicting their monthly numbers.  You predict a RANGE.  Then, lets say you predict 7-11 players for the month.  You get a -/+ 2.  Meaning you can have as few as 5 and as many as 13.  This is PER SQUAD.  If you have 20 squads (lets say 10 per side) and the 10 on one side had 17 under total and the other side had 20 over total show, yes, it will APPEAR lopsided. 

This is exactly why we ask you, the squads to recruit and get participation. We lay out the guidelines.  It is up to you (squads) to enforce the numbers you predicted.  All we can do by the DESIGN is set a standard that allows you to flex and get your numbers up.

If a squad goes over their MAX allowed numbers (and their MIN numbers), we CMs reach out to that squad in private and address it with them directly.  It is not public business to know the outcome of that but be aware that it is addressed every time.

  also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they  flew 22, thats over the  max.  again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.

When scoring, yes.  This is a penalty and points are deducted.  The scoring CM addresses this and will usually write it up in the scores when posted exactly what penalty points are deducted.  I do believe it is a hefty penalty.

    the allies had 90 fighters in this scenario,plus 31 bomber pilots. the axis had 74 fighters plus 24 bomber destroyers.  and so one side had a clear advantage in both catagories.  this in a 50/50 split scenario.   how will this be situation be addressed?

The individual plans come down to the Side CiCs.  31 individual bomber pilots (as opposed to 12 pilots with drones) is a CiC call.  As long as the minimum requirements are met for each side and plane (min/max) requirements per the DESIGN then simply have fun.  If you are the type to worry about points and the strategy, I recommend you volunteer to be a CiC when your squad is up for CiC duty.  From that perspective you can plan your side's event.  I think based on some of your historic comments regarding strategy, you would enjoy being a CiC.  That is the ONLY way that can be addressed.  Some view it as a situation and some simply don't.  That is a personal preference thing that can ONLY be addressed at the CiC planning level. 

Hope that answers all your questions.

 
SlipKnoT

[oakranger]

FSO could used AI on both sides.  It might balance things out a bit more.

[Nefarious]

FSO could used AI on both sides.  It might balance things out a bit more.

That's something that can't be done on the fly or adjusted right before the start of an event.

[Zoney]

FSO could used AI on both sides.  It might balance things out a bit more.

Oh hell no.

[Devil 505]

FSO could used AI on both sides.  It might balance things out a bit more.

I've been testing the AI with the AvA crew - it is awful.

[alpini13]

thank you for the answers.....but what about when the MAX allowable plane allowance is exceeded?  what kind of penalties are imposed for that transgression?

[oakranger]

I've been testing the AI with the AvA crew - it is awful.

How so?

[Devil 505]

How so?

3 main problems.

1.Guns in both fighters and bombers are crazy accurate.
2.Fighters maneuver at maximum performance indefinitely without issue.
3.Planes continue to fly and fight without wings for about 30 seconds after removal. 

[oakranger]

3 main problems.

1.Guns in both fighters and bombers are crazy accurate.
2.Fighters maneuver at maximum performance indefinitely without issue.
3.Planes continue to fly and fight without wings for about 30 seconds after removal.

Ah, and I am guessing there is no way to adjust them?  Has it been try?

[Snork]

  also i noticed the allies had a max number of 20 p-51b's for this frame. i believe they  flew 22, thats over the  max.  again, are there penalties for this happening? and if so do they have a real effect on the scoring and outcome? if they dont then would that promote ignoring the guidlines by sides in future events and have sides simply pick the best aircraft they have,and excede the number knowing that the penalties will not make any difference.
   

Hi, I fly as Noser and assisted Tunes on the CIC plans. First, he did a role call and counted 20 P-51s, 24 P47d11 and  24 P38J's.

The squadrons were assigned as follows:

Side Assignments for Allied side of tour: "OVER THE REICH"

Squadname CO Commit CIC Frame one

367thFg'TheDynamiteGang'P51B DK Green Bremen CRX1 4 - 6
9GIAP VVS RKKA P51B DK Green Flt.Bremen Dantoo7-10
56th Fighter Group P47D11 LT Green Bremen. LilMak 7-10
412th FNVG Nefari B17G Red Flt. Bremen Nefari 16-21
49th Fighter Group           P38J      Red Flt  /  Blue Flt   Bremen    49MERLIN 11-15
PigsOnTheWing 50/50 B17G/47D11  Red Flt  / Blue Flt  Bremen  Waystin2 16-21 
Arabian Knights   P47D11     Red Flt   /  Blue Flt    Hanover          AKIndrid  7 - 10
Duxford Wing RAF B17G         Red Flt   / Blue Flt     Hanover            ds72       4 - 6     
LCA   B17G and P51B               Red Flt   /   Blue Flt     Hanover         OldDoom  7-10
VF-17 Jolly Rogers P38J and P47D11  Red Flt / Blue Flt  Hanover    Branch37  7-10
Allied475thFighterGroup P51B Red/Blue Hanover Dawger 7-10

Total Commitments: Min: 93 Max: 129

We believe we showed due diligence and kept the numbers proper to the best of our abilities.