Author Topic: War  (Read 2678 times)

Offline GScholz

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8910
Re: War
« Reply #45 on: June 20, 2017, 04:49:10 PM »
Assad is merely a puppet, his army was defeated long ago, now its Hezbollah and Iran that does most of the fighting. Assad have very Little Control over the situation...

The Syrian Arab Army remains the largest military force involved in the Syrian Civil War, and they're on the advance taking town after town from the rebels.

http://www.euronews.com/2017/04/17/syrian-army-retakes-key-town-of-soran

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-retakes-new-sites-isis-homs-province/

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2017/6/16/syrian-army-retakes-central-gas-field-from-islamic-state


https://youtu.be/LJzIxW4CE2E
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Offline bustr

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12436
Re: War
« Reply #46 on: June 20, 2017, 04:53:30 PM »
So based on the best theories about the pipeline or pipelines, the Syrian civil war is happening because Bashar is protecting Russia's EU fuel supply franchise. While the none ISIS opposing forces are being manipulated by competitors who want to supply the EU out of the middle east. ISIS just happened to be in the right place at the right time in all of this.

Is anyone today that organized to pull off a manipulation of this magnitude? For it to really be a regime change to favor a deal like either one of the following, Bashar would have had to be deposed in under 6 months, a replacement with an ability to fight ISIS in place, or you would have exactly what is happening in Syria now. And if it's about Russia's pipeline to the EU, how do you get them to leave the country with so much at stake? And why wouldn't Hezbollah or Turkey or Iran or Saudi Arabia not see a vacuum to fill for their own purposes since Syria would be all clusterfloped up at that point. The UN\NATO steps in and appoints a protectorate until things are stabilized, Russia declares itself an interim protectorate until some future date to be determined.

What is so important about the location and geology of Syria? No real natural resources to fight a war over. One large very hot desert taking up about 1\2 of the land mass. It's between Europe, the Med, Turkey and the rest of the middle east. Natural location to mount an offensive against a tiny nuclear armed neighbor if you had an army and weapons systems in place. But, that wouldn't be as profitable as using Syria for what it was always used for. Part of a bridge from east to west like it has always been.

The idea of the pipelines sounds good with the EU and middle east winning economically, conspiracy, anyone's guess.


-------------------------------
The Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline (called the Friendship Pipeline by the governments involved and the Islamic gas pipeline by some Western sources[2]) is a proposed natural gas pipeline running from the Iranian South Pars / North Dome Gas-Condensate field towards Europe via Iran, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon to supply European customers as well as Iraq, Syria and Lebanon.[1] The pipeline was planned to be 5,600 km (3,500 mi) long and have a diameter of 142 cm (56 inches).[1] A previous proposal, known as the Persian Pipeline, had seen a route from Iran's South Pars to Europe via Turkey; it was apparently abandoned after the Swiss energy company Elektrizitätsgesellschaft Laufenburg halted its contract with Iran in October 2010 in the face of pressure over US sanctions against Iran.[3][4]

Iraq signed an agreement with Iran in June 2013 to receive natural gas to fuel Iraqi power plants in Baghdad and Diyala. The contract covers 1.4 Bcf/d over 10 years. Iran's plans to export 176 MMscf/d of gas to Iraq by 2015.[5]

In July 2011 Iran, Iraq and Syria said they planned to sign a contract potentially worth around $6bn to construct a pipeline running from South Pars towards Europe, via these countries and Lebanon and then under the Mediterranean to a European country, with a refinery and related infrastructure in Damascus.[1][6][7][8] In November 2012 the United States dismissed reports that construction had begun on the pipeline, saying that this had been claimed repeatedly and that "it never seems to materialize."[9] A framework agreement was to be signed in early 2013, with costs now estimated at $10bn;[10] construction plans were delayed by the Syrian civil war.[11] In December 2012 the Oxford Institute for Energy Studies said that the project "remains doubtful. It is not clear how such a project will be financed given that both Iran and Syria are subject to strict financial sanctions."[12] In July 2015, Iranian Gas Engineering and Development Company (IGEDC) and Pasargad Energy Development Company signed a BOT (build-operate-transfer) contract under which the project owner will provide 25% of finance and National Development Fund of Iran the rest for the construction of IGAT-6.[13]

The pipeline would be a competitor to the Nabucco pipeline from Azerbaijan to Europe.[1] It is also an alternative to the Qatar-Turkey pipeline which had been proposed by Qatar to run from Qatar to Europe via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Syria and Turkey.[14] Syria's rationale for rejecting the Qatar proposal was said to be "to protect the interests of [its] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."[14]


---------------------------
The Qatar-Turkey pipeline was a proposal to build a natural gas pipeline from the Iranian–Qatari South Pars / North Dome Gas-Condensate field towards Turkey, where it could connect with the Nabucco pipeline to supply European customers as well as Turkey. One route to Turkey was via Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria,[1][2] and another was through Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iraq.[3][4] Syria's rationale for rejecting the Qatar proposal was said to be "to protect the interests of [its] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas."[1]


Theory relating to Syrian conflict

In 2012 an analyst cited by Ansa Mediterranean suggested that Qatar's involvement in the Syrian civil war was based in part on its desire to build a pipeline to Turkey through Syria:

    "The discovery in 2009 of a new gas field near Israel, Lebanon, Cyprus, and Syria opened new possibilities to bypass the Saudi Barrier and to secure a new source of income. Pipelines are in place already in Turkey to receive the gas. Only Al-Assad is in the way. Qatar along with the Turks would like to remove Al-Assad and install the Syrian chapter of the Muslim Brotherhood. It is the best organized political movement in the chaotic society and can block Saudi Arabia's efforts to install a more fanatical Wahhabi based regime. Once the Brotherhood is in power, the Emir's broad connections with Brotherhood groups throughout the region should make it easy for him to find a friendly ear and an open hand in Damascus." [5]

   
bustr - POTW 1st Wing


This is like the old joke that voters are harsher to their beer brewer if he has an outage, than their politicians after raising their taxes. Death and taxes are certain but, fun and sex is only now.

Offline Zimme83

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3073
''The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge'' - Stephen Hawking

Offline Shuffler

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27070
Re: War
« Reply #48 on: June 20, 2017, 05:36:44 PM »
Simple! Don't violate the airspace of the sovereign nation known as Syria.


The capital of Chechnya after the Russians were through...

(Image removed from quote.)

The USA is not The capital of Chechnya. Not even close.
80th FS "Headhunters"

S.A.P.P.- Secret Association Of P-38 Pilots (Lightning In A Bottle)

Offline Zimme83

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3073
Re: War
« Reply #49 on: June 20, 2017, 05:40:05 PM »
Russia is Mexico w nukes, they have no ability to defend Assad or themselves in Syria if it gets really hot. 10 fighters and a few SAM batterys isnt going to stop anything.
''The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge'' - Stephen Hawking

Offline GScholz

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8910
Re: War
« Reply #50 on: June 20, 2017, 05:47:00 PM »
"Russia's military in Syria: Bigger than you think and not going anywhere"

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/09/middleeast/russia-military-syria/index.html
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Offline GScholz

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8910
Re: War
« Reply #51 on: June 20, 2017, 05:52:19 PM »
Any major attack on the Russians will undoubtedly provoke a strategic response. The Russians have already demonstrated that they can hit targets in the ME with cruise missiles launched from the Caspian Sea. Coalition airbases would be priority targets for a retaliatory strike.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34465425
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Offline Zimme83

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3073
Re: War
« Reply #52 on: June 20, 2017, 05:55:54 PM »
The Russian ground forces are larger and more Active than what official yes, the steady stream of MEDEVAC flights to Russia from Syria tells the story. But still, They would loose the air war within hours and after that it's only about how fast the coalition jets can drop LGB:s on their tanks and troops..

As for Cruise missiles. Those are also going the other way around. And if it gets that ugly there will for sure be losses among the coalition forces, maybe even pretty big. But Russia still have no mean of defend Syria if it comes to a full scale war.
''The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge'' - Stephen Hawking

Offline GScholz

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8910
Re: War
« Reply #53 on: June 20, 2017, 06:00:16 PM »
World War III
"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

Offline Zimme83

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3073
Re: War
« Reply #54 on: June 20, 2017, 06:04:07 PM »
A worst case scenario yes. But I doubt that it will happen.
''The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge'' - Stephen Hawking

Offline Shuffler

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 27070
Re: War
« Reply #55 on: June 20, 2017, 06:08:20 PM »
How about a game of chess?
80th FS "Headhunters"

S.A.P.P.- Secret Association Of P-38 Pilots (Lightning In A Bottle)

Offline CptTrips

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 8269
Re: War
« Reply #56 on: June 20, 2017, 07:34:00 PM »

What do you think the odds were that was a Russian "adviser" piloting that plane?
Toxic, psychotic, self-aggrandizing drama queens simply aren't worth me spending my time on.

Offline Meatwad

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 12792
Re: War
« Reply #57 on: June 20, 2017, 07:34:44 PM »
A lot of people seem to forget that Russia has the tendency to go ape on things. And I am willing to bet there are still a lot of cold war high ups that are still highly annoyed over the standoff
See Rule 19- Do not place sausage on pizza.
I am No-Sausage-On-Pizza-Wad.
Das Funkillah - I kill hangers, therefore I am a funkiller. Coming to a vulchfest near you.
You cant tie a loop around 400000 lbs of locomotive using a 2 foot rope - Drediock on fat women

Offline NatCigg

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3336
Re: War
« Reply #58 on: June 20, 2017, 08:52:34 PM »
Im fine with splitting on the euphrates.!  the united states of kurdistan will fit well.  since assads guys are rather normal like us and the russians, we should be ok in the end.

 :O

i mean cmon guys, its like your settling a old score, justified by some riotous argument.  that's not civil behavior.

 :bhead

Offline bozon

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6037
Re: War
« Reply #59 on: June 21, 2017, 07:07:35 AM »
The a victory for the Assads is not a victory for Syria - it is the establishment of shiite hegemony in a large crecent from the medditerrenian to Iran and down to Yemmen soon.

The Russians are there because the US under the previous leadership decided to step out. The two super powers do not confront each other directly - these are the rules of the game. Any spot vacated by one is free to be occupied by the other, and once there, it cannot be moved unless it is by their free will. With Putin at the wheel, any place where the US will not assert its power will be filled by Russia.
Mosquito VI - twice the spitfire, four times the ENY.

Click!>> "So, you want to fly the wooden wonder" - <<click!
the almost incomplete and not entirely inaccurate guide to the AH Mosquito.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGOWswdzGQs