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Offline thrila

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Re: collision model
« Reply #195 on: August 07, 2017, 02:05:37 PM »
The fact that vink could do it once, with methodology means it can be done over and over as long as you stick to the strict method.

I am confident that vink could take out all 3 if he chose to.

I'm not confident of that at all.
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Re: collision model
« Reply #196 on: August 07, 2017, 02:06:02 PM »
Only if the bomber guy is letting him, and i doubt he will. Thst collision is easily avoided by the bomber and if he want he can just dive and then mr Vink will have a collision on his screen...
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Re: collision model
« Reply #197 on: August 07, 2017, 02:08:15 PM »
I'm not confident of that at all.

Vink is a good pilot who has a very repetetive MO. I am pretty sure he could do lots of damage with the technique shown.

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Re: collision model
« Reply #198 on: August 07, 2017, 02:21:31 PM »
Vink is a good pilot who has a very repetetive MO. I am pretty sure he could do lots of damage with the technique shown.

Then why didn't he do it in the film he posted?

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Re: collision model
« Reply #199 on: August 07, 2017, 02:23:11 PM »
Vink is a good pilot who has a very repetetive MO. I am pretty sure he could do lots of damage with the technique shown.

I watched a film where a bomber received a collision message. I did not see a film of 3 bombers being purposely rammed and destroyed as i expected. If it was that easy to destroy a trio of bombers in that fashion I would expect a film in fairly short order.

It isn't reliably easy to do because:

a) You don't know the internet latency of the enemy bomber (if you find someone to practice against so you know what distance to fly ahead/behind their bomber it will only be reliable against this one person).

b) To aim for the right point with knowing how far to 'lead' without being shot up by most bombers, makes the approach angle and speed very challenging, risking a collision to yourself.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 02:25:09 PM by thrila »
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Re: collision model
« Reply #200 on: August 07, 2017, 02:25:44 PM »
I watched a film where a bomber received a collision message. I did not see a film of 3 bombers being purposely rammed and destroyed as i expected. If it was that easy to destroy a trio of bombers in that fashion I would expect a film in fairly short order.

It isn't reliably easy to do because:

a) You don't know the internet latency of the enemy bomber (if you find someone to practice against so you know what distance to fly ahead/behind their bomber it will only be reliable against this one person).

b) To aim for the right point with knowing how far to 'lead' without being shot up by most bombers, makes the approach angle and speed very challenging, risking a collision to yourself.

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Re: collision model
« Reply #201 on: August 07, 2017, 02:27:24 PM »
Then why didn't he do it in the film he posted?

But you see, he did: The white text alerted him that one of the bombers collided with him (the bombers FE). He didn't get a message saying that he collided (his FE). No damage was awarded though, but that is just technicalities.

Thrila, like any technique it takes a bit of work and estimation to get right.


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Re: collision model
« Reply #202 on: August 07, 2017, 02:36:23 PM »

It sounds like a challenge.
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Re: collision model
« Reply #203 on: August 07, 2017, 02:39:02 PM »
If you are out of ammo and do this a few times, you can knock 3 buffs out the sky without firing a shot.


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Re: collision model
« Reply #204 on: August 07, 2017, 02:40:53 PM »
It sounds like a challenge.

It shouldn't be a challenge if it easy.
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Re: collision model
« Reply #205 on: August 07, 2017, 02:41:29 PM »
Consider it a dare, instead. :)

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Re: collision model
« Reply #206 on: August 07, 2017, 02:45:42 PM »
Even knocking down 1 bomber is enough to cause aggravation.

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Re: collision model
« Reply #207 on: August 07, 2017, 02:49:23 PM »
Even knocking down 1 bomber is enough to cause aggravation.

Are you compromising his claim?

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Re: collision model
« Reply #208 on: August 07, 2017, 03:11:53 PM »
Are you compromising his claim?

My line of reasoning is that if its possible; I don't need to have someone take down all 3 to make it something that is a problem, once is enough.

The idea is that it is a repeatible trick, making imaginary requirements to hide the reality is not reasonable.

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Re: collision model
« Reply #209 on: August 07, 2017, 03:16:25 PM »
It will for sure lead to the death for the fighter more often than the bomber.

Edit: First of all the video shows how hard it is to use this, the bomber did not take any critical damage.
2nd: Depending on what bomber you attack 2 things would likely happen - If you attack a plane w ventral guns the fighter will be an almost stationary target for the bomber and a decent gunner will not miss.. Or you attack bombers without guns and the bomber pilot will apply the standard method of countering such attacks, maneuvering, and that will make the fighter miss his target.

And even if the bomber guy is at the toilet and doesnt do anything at all there is a significant risk that you collide with the bombers and go down yourself.
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