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Offline oboe

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #30 on: July 08, 2017, 03:40:16 PM »
Even if you nuke current perk balances, vets are so much more adept at earning perks it wouldn't be long before we're back to the imbalance.

I had an idea to make it a little easier to earn perks for anyone willing to spend the time- for example, spawning from a hangar and taxiing to the runway rather than spawning directly at the end of the runway could earn a small perk bonus for your sortie.  (It may also lead to more ground-operations type activity at the field, which again might help YouTube video producers make AH films with more varied action).  This particular idea doesn't take anything away from anybody, just adds a little opportunity for those willing to do it.

Still curious how/why the GVers simply accept the light perk cost of some vehicles, but for pilots, even talking about it seems to lead to complaints...

 

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #31 on: July 08, 2017, 03:46:37 PM »
I believe there is a lot more variety of planes flown in the MA than there used to be. I don't think variety of aircraft we see in the MA is poor at all.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2017, 03:47:16 PM »
and if a new player comes 2 years from now,  that's just how life is,  players in games like War Thunder and World of Tanks have to play vs level 5 tanks in level 2

And those games suck bellybutton because of their grind and pay-to-win tier system. Which is what you are essentially asking for.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #33 on: July 08, 2017, 03:55:04 PM »
lol

Everyone would start the same if this would be changed,   nuke the current perks  :neener:



and if a new player comes 2 years from now,  that's just how life is,  players in games like War Thunder and World of Tanks have to play vs level 5 tanks in level 2

Sooooooo.....What you want is for me to lose my perks I have earned so when and if you ever start actually playing you and I will have a level playing field, but, once you've earned your perks and have an advantage over the new guys 2 years from now then you should be able to keep your perks because, "that's just the way it is" in other games.




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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #34 on: July 08, 2017, 04:01:28 PM »
Sooooooo.....What you want is for me to lose my perks I have earned so when and if you ever start actually playing you and I will have a level playing field, but, once you've earned your perks and have an advantage over the new guys 2 years from now then you should be able to keep your perks because, "that's just the way it is" in other games.




Wow, just.............wow.

You can keep your perks, i can catch up in time, doesn't bother me to fly a spit 1 vs p51.


But i'm getting constant contradicting opinions here,  one user  says he wants his perks,  and second user then says the opposite.

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #35 on: July 08, 2017, 04:04:37 PM »
But i'm getting constant contradicting opinions here,  one user  says he wants his perks,  and second user then says the opposite.

Well, what did you expect?
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2017, 04:30:17 PM »
lol

Everyone would start the same if this would be changed,   nuke the current perks  :neener:



and if a new player comes 2 years from now,  that's just how life is,  players in games like War Thunder and World of Tanks have to play vs level 5 tanks in level 2
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #37 on: July 08, 2017, 04:30:50 PM »
That will be an 'adverse" effect by the way.
That was my concern as well, but was hoping with a nominal price of 1 or 2, it is still easily obtainable by everyone but it makes someone think twice before spamming it.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #38 on: July 08, 2017, 05:32:18 PM »
In my subjective opinion, the performance differences  between individual tanks (notably armor & penetration) have a somewhat bigger impact on the results then those between the planes.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #39 on: July 08, 2017, 07:35:06 PM »
The idea of light perks on the 5ENY aircraft is interesting. The light perks on GVs I think are kind of a little deterrent to not spam them like crazy, even though many have tons of GV perks.

The beauty of this game is that you can basically fly whatever you want whenever you want. Perking something as iconic as the P-51D might have an adverse affect even if it's minimum is 1 and maximum is 2, just because someone wants to get in and fly it right away. In the same sense, it is easy enough to get 1 or 2 perks to be able to fly a P-51D.
Not sure if it could be called "beauty" though.  You can up some of the mid war planes or even early war planes but you will be slaughtered very quickly.   Except for a few very good and long term players you cannot really fly them in the MA unless you consider flying them spiraling down in a flaming heap as soon as you meet the average plane in the MA.

Light perking of late war planes would be a good way to balance the MA as currently its almost exclusively Ya3, Spit 16, F4U-1A, KI84, P51D etc etc.  Some of these planes being so rare in WWII (KI84 as an example) very likely no players ever even heard of them before AH1.

The other issue is the disparity between some of the planes - Tiffie Eny 10, TA 152 Eny 10, Yak3 Eny 18... very odd

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #40 on: July 08, 2017, 07:57:18 PM »
3.500 Ki-84:s were built, if you havent Heard of them you haven't done your homework..
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #41 on: July 08, 2017, 11:42:55 PM »
I think HTC should perk the planes oboe listed. What were they?? P51d,190d, spit16, la7, p47M....I think this will make it more interesting and more intense. What else is there to do with your perks? Spend em!! More variety of planes will be seen in the MA by doing this.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #42 on: July 09, 2017, 08:46:25 AM »
Not sure if it could be called "beauty" though.  You can up some of the mid war planes or even early war planes but you will be slaughtered very quickly.   Except for a few very good and long term players you cannot really fly them in the MA unless you consider flying them spiraling down in a flaming heap as soon as you meet the average plane in the MA.

Light perking of late war planes would be a good way to balance the MA as currently its almost exclusively Ya3, Spit 16, F4U-1A, KI84, P51D etc etc.  Some of these planes being so rare in WWII (KI84 as an example) very likely no players ever even heard of them before AH1.

The other issue is the disparity between some of the planes - Tiffie Eny 10, TA 152 Eny 10, Yak3 Eny 18... very odd

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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #43 on: July 09, 2017, 11:09:45 AM »
So what you want is to force newbies to fly only I-16 and P-40 while the pros can meet them in Tempests and 4-hogs...
Most vets that can afford several tours of nothing but 262 without a single landing do not fly these planes. It's not due to lack of perks.

Those that do (on a regular basis) are real handful.
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Re: Why the disparity between aircraft and vehicle perks?
« Reply #44 on: July 09, 2017, 11:15:18 AM »
What light perking of some models can achieve is to make 2nd-best variants flown more. The LA5 is one hell of a fighter, but it is a hangar queen because the even better LA7 (and it its rare 3 cannon configuration) is freely available.

P51B - same story. Older F4u, P47D, 190A5, 109G2/6... etc.

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