Bombing and bailing becomming more popular.

[hitech]

Btw the premises of this thread is also a fallacy.

If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)
You will find a thread claiming the same as this one.

[haggerty]

Btw the premises of this thread is also a fallacy.

I don't understand, because there are multiple people complaining about this issue for 8+ years it is a fallacy? I don't understand the logic.

[haggerty]

If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)
You will find a thread claiming the same as this one.

Found the post:
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,71494.msg673964.html#msg673964

While I appreciate you putting forth an idea, I don't personally believe it would require that specific action to fix the issue.  Bomb and Bailers would just wait 31 seconds before bailing.  I think the kickback came because a change like that would affect people not intending to suicide or die after dropping their bombs.  I think an easy solution for bailers would be to just increase the proxy range to visual range.

[popeye]

If some one cares to do a search to try find my solution to this issue (which was rejected by most) along with suicide bombing. (thread was maby 8 years ago)

Have thought to suggest the same solution.  Guess I won't need to.   

[DmonSlyr]

Imo, the only and best solution as to not impact the game is to let anyone within 6K of the bombers get the kill if they bail. If no one is around to notice the bailing bombers, it's no big deal. If there are fighters willing to spend their time to attack the bombers than they should not be forced to waste a sortie if the enemy bombers decides to cheaply bail to avoid getting shot down. The entire reason why they do it for the most part is to not reward the fighter will the kills. If the player gets the kills when they are in vis with the bombers, it will at least not waste their time as much. I think giving the fighters the kill will discourage bomb and bailers the most. I don't know if it can be easily coaded though. 

[wil3ur]

The other day I did a bombing run in some JU88's and had a fighter chase me 4 sectors back home.  I was switching between cockpit and guns, changing my vectors and elevation, taking snapshots, and avoiding being shot down.  It was a running gun battle all the way back to my base where I was promptly rewarded with PM's about the hacks I was using to outfly an FM2 in my 88's.

This fun would have never happened if I decided that I should just bail out because it's quicker than flying home and dealing with the possible loss of life.

[Mister Fork]

Happened to me last night - dude in a P-51 attacked our ordinance and then crashed on purpose - it's not all bombers that 'bomb-n-bail' - attack planes do it as well. P-51's, P-38's, P-47's, Corsairs, Tiffies, Mosquitoes, Bf-110's.  Drop their ord - lawndart.

If ALL heavy bombs were perked - I think most would be more conservative with their approach to attacking an airfield. I.e. perk 500lb+ and up. Not much, just maybe 1 perk for a pair of 500lb. 2 for 1000. 5 for anything heavier. And you would probably want to merge the perk points into one - instead of individual craft streams we have now.

Would resolve ALL bomb-n-bail situations. Period.

[NatCigg]

  I think an easy solution for bailers would be to just increase the proxy range to visual range.

this would be a good start.  is it closest visual range for bombers only?  I think any airplane, closest 6k range, and most damage (how damage kill award works today is nice).

more proxies werk for me.  a bail is a bail.

i see no issue with increase proxy range. 

<insert flame user thread> 

 

[EagleDNY]

If I get my bombs out over the target and destroy it, my mission is completed right then.   The trip home and a landing is just bonus perks.  I'm not adverse to taking on some fighter jocks that think buffs are an easy kill, but I'm not going to waste 10 minutes waiting for you to catch up, climb over the top and finally engage. 

[atlau]

Agreed

[molybdenum]

I do not want players to be shamed for bailing, but know this.  I film every sortie and when you bail on me I review the film and I know who you were.  I don't PM you about it in the game or here on the boards.  You, (the bailer) know you did it, and I know you did it.  In my opinion it's poor sportsmanship and that's how I will think of you for a long, long time.  Should you pass away and your people are fondly reminiscing about you, I shall be silent and remember you as this type of person.

But they should be named and shamed. Bombing and bailing hurts the game, and some (by no means all) will amend their behavior if it becomes well known. I know of two teammates who no longer bomb and bail because I and others have scolded them for having done so.
You knowing who a bomb and bailer is and not respecting them will have no impact. A community knowing who a bomb and bailer is will potentially have a much greater impact.

[Mongoose]

I don't understand, because there are multiple people complaining about this issue for 8+ years it is a fallacy? I don't understand the logic.

  I think he means the premise that it is getting more popular.  Bombing and bailing was just as popular back then as it is now.  Nothing has changed.  People have always and will always disrespect the game and other players by treating the game as an arcade or console game instead of as a flight simulator.

[Zygote404]

But they should be named and shamed. Bombing and bailing hurts the game, and some (by no means all) will amend their behavior if it becomes well known. I know of two teammates who no longer bomb and bail because I and others have scolded them for having done so.
You knowing who a bomb and bailer is and not respecting them will have no impact. A community knowing who a bomb and bailer is will potentially have a much greater impact.

If you can get to them before they drop and ping each one, then go back to base, land and take a break you'll almost always get 3 kills by the time you get back from coffee smoke lol.  Screenshot and post it here in a Bombing and Bailing thread.

[popeye]

Happened to me last night - dude in a P-51 attacked our ordinance and then crashed on purpose - it's not all bombers that 'bomb-n-bail' - attack planes do it as well. P-51's, P-38's, P-47's, Corsairs, Tiffies, Mosquitoes, Bf-110's.  Drop their ord - lawndart.

This is where I favor HT's idea to limit the effect of a suicide attack.  Not sure of the details of his idea, but I would like to see downtime affected if the attacker dies within 30 (?) seconds of destroying an object.  Award 1/2 of the downtime when the object is destroyed, and 1/2 IF the attacker is still alive 30 (?) seconds later.  This would at least mitigate the effect of those who deliberately lawndart, and of the smoking Spitfire who kills radar as his "last act of defiance".

[Arlo]