m3 without troops.. you missed the point

[Traveler]

Surprised that everyone doesn't remember the last time HTC tweaked the game, remember about 10 years ago, he implemented base ordering to control and encourage combat by forcing the order in which bases had to be captured.   We suffered through that and did a full 360 turn around, in the end nothing changed except a lot of guys got pissed and left the game.  Here we go again.

[Lusche]

Surprised that everyone doesn't remember the last time HTC tweaked the game, remember about 10 years ago, he implemented base ordering to control and encourage combat by forcing the order in which bases had to be captured.   We suffered through that and did a full 360 turn around, in the end nothing changed except a lot of guys got pissed and left the game.  Here we go again.

Base capture order was a massive change of the game's fundamentals.
This one, so far, ain't.

By the way, the base capture order was only active for a very short time and only in one of the two LW main arenas.

[oakranger]

Because someone, just like 90%* of the AH players, did not think of the SdKfz 251 

That is the only GV i need to kill in the D-25.     






*)yes, I made that number up

[Lyme]

I don't understand this move either.  Yes, the M3 with troops discourages flying a C47, but the M3 with supplies completely discourages combat as the best base defense is resupplying town rather than fighting.

I doubt we see any appreciable increase in C47 captures, and an extreme increase in the german M3 base captures

[Volron]

My guess: The thread about the M3's effectiveness had HiTech take a close look at how often the M3 gets used over the other vehicles for troops and sups.  From there, he opted to remove troops from the M3 because it is the pretty much the ONLY vehicle seriously used to bring troops in when there is a GV spawn to a base.  It was either this or a perk tag put on the M3.

The result: He has made the M3 less effective now.


Snail, would you be able to post a chart of the M3's usage over all other vehicles (that carry troops and supplies) and the C-47 before this change to the M3?  I'm going to guess that the use of the M3 is going a bit higher than all of them, and probably combined the GV's that carry troops and supplies won't top the M3.

[Randy1]

Your use of the word "whiners" is highly ironic.

And it was meant to be.

[Lusche]

Snail, would you be able to post a chart of the M3's usage over all other vehicles (that carry troops and supplies) and the C-47 before this change to the M3?

If this thing would last for the full next tour, I could show any change in vehicle vs bomber base captures. And, of course, kills&deaths for all freight carrying vehicles.
There's no doubt that 251 deaths would go up almost exponentially, as before two days ago it was almost never used for anything in the MA.

[ccvi]

If this thing would last for the full next tour, I could show any change in vehicle vs bomber base captures. And, of course, kills&deaths for all freight carrying vehicles.

You could take this month's numbers and substract previous months average numbers weighted on something that's not affected by the change to compute a rough estimate for the part of the month with M3 troops disabled. Huge error bars, but better than nothing. I doubt it'll stay like this for the complete next month.

[Arlo]

I actually heard a player on range last night so against the idea of using a goon that he suggested using 4 jeeps. After all ... a goon might get shot down and four players in jeeps would be so much better. Four guys in goons ... however.

(I'm thinking, once again, that it's not the game that's broken.) 

[Randy1]

Vox chatter today was blaming the m3 fiasco on Vinkman.  Word has it some of the HTC staff got into the Vinkman hooch.   In a drunken stupor, one of the staff accidentally disabled the M3 troops.

Must be true.  No other good reason to do that.

[Slate]

 Used an SdKfz 251  the other day to capture a base and win the war on my 2nd try. The first try I fired a rocket by mistake and blew myself up because I was near a Tree. 

[germ]

Used an SdKfz 251  the other day to capture a base and win the war on my 2nd try. The first try I fired a rocket by mistake and blew myself up because I was near a Tree. 

I captured a base last night with one as well. In fact, I scored a kill on an M3 attempting to resupply the town. They're just slower is all, so I suppose it's not the end of the world.

[The Fugitive]

My guess: The thread about the M3's effectiveness had HiTech take a close look at how often the M3 gets used over the other vehicles for troops and sups.  From there, he opted to remove troops from the M3 because it is the pretty much the ONLY vehicle seriously used to bring troops in when there is a GV spawn to a base.  It was either this or a perk tag put on the M3.

The result: He has made the M3 less effective now.


Snail, would you be able to post a chart of the M3's usage over all other vehicles (that carry troops and supplies) and the C-47 before this change to the M3?  I'm going to guess that the use of the M3 is going a bit higher than all of them, and probably combined the GV's that carry troops and supplies won't top the M3.

My guess is he cant split the M3 usage supply/troop drop. By removing troop drop from the equation he can now see how often the M3 is used for supply runs. If it looks like the supply runs ARE an unbalancing issue then maybe he will change it. Im sure the troop cuts for the M3 are only temporary.

[Volron]

If this thing would last for the full next tour, I could show any change in vehicle vs bomber base captures. And, of course, kills&deaths for all freight carrying vehicles.
There's no doubt that 251 deaths would go up almost exponentially, as before two days ago it was almost never used for anything in the MA.

Let's hope it sticks around for at least a full tour then.

I captured a base last night with one as well. In fact, I scored a kill on an M3 attempting to resupply the town. They're just slower is all, so I suppose it's not the end of the world.

SDK has more armor than an M3 though, so it makes up for it.  I've survived strafes with the SDK that would destroyed the M3.

My guess is he cant split the M3 usage supply/troop drop. By removing troop drop from the equation he can now see how often the M3 is used for supply runs. If it looks like the supply runs ARE an unbalancing issue then maybe he will change it. Im sure the troop cuts for the M3 are only temporary.

That is a good point.  That may mean the end result of this test will be; troops/no field sups for M3's, or, M3's stay as they were, but a perk tag is placed on it.  Maybe 1-3 perks.

Mind you, I'm not saying the M3 should be perked.

[popeye]

Used an SdKfz 251  the other day to capture a base and win the war on my 2nd try. The first try I fired a rocket by mistake and blew myself up because I was near a Tree.