Author Topic: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS  (Read 4169 times)

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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2017, 03:56:32 AM »
Two have invasion stripes on the fuselage but it appears two do not.  Am I wrong?



Seems like it.

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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2017, 03:23:20 PM »
Not quite as good as Oboe is at it...but this is Lt. Lacey's likeness--for his skin.   I thought it was a decent first attempt any way.    :salute

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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2017, 03:24:06 PM »
Seems like it.

Seems like I'm wrong?    :D
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2017, 04:00:52 PM »
Lyric, here is something else to look at.   There are four Mustangs that are easily discerned in the original photo Fencer posted.   Two have invasion stripes on the fuselage but it appears two do not.  Am I wrong?

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I do not see any invasion striping on the fuselages of those planes.
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2017, 04:11:26 PM »
I do not see any invasion striping on the fuselages of those planes.

Cool.  So the absence of invasion stripes post-D-Day is not an isolated case, lending a bit of credibility to the belief this airplane did not have them.
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #20 on: October 22, 2017, 12:31:36 PM »
Seems like I'm wrong?    :D

Doh. No I don't see any.

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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2017, 02:09:44 AM »
Nice work V!  This is one skin I'll definitely use.
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2017, 05:01:23 AM »
So what is the date of the picture I posted?  Is it June 10th?  October 21st?  July 20th?  We do not know.  So looking at other aircraft of which we have no history, time frame for their scheme or even whether they were around when invasion stripes were mandated, is not relevant to the skin in question.  Which was around during D-Day and therefore had to have gotten painted.

Also, how do we know if they painted their group/squadron markings on it?  They didn't on the one in the photo, but there is no photo of TX-T.

So IMHO you are guessing almost entirely at what this aircraft looked like.  Are there not other aircraft out there that you can find photo references of to skin?
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2017, 07:52:55 AM »
So what is the date of the picture I posted?  Is it June 10th?  October 21st?  July 20th?  We do not know.  So looking at other aircraft of which we have no history, time frame for their scheme or even whether they were around when invasion stripes were mandated, is not relevant to the skin in question.  Which was around during D-Day and therefore had to have gotten painted.

Also, how do we know if they painted their group/squadron markings on it?  They didn't on the one in the photo, but there is no photo of TX-T.

So IMHO you are guessing almost entirely at what this aircraft looked like.  Are there not other aircraft out there that you can find photo references of to skin?

You stated that it was post-June 6th.


Here is a 10th PRG F-6B post June 6th...


If the photo is post-June 6th and we see airplanes without invasion stripes then that lends credibility to the people who did the research I have used as a basis for it.

I am going by what was excavated from the crash site.

If it was supposed to have invasion stripes then they can be added.   If we are not sure then it will stay as it is and can be viewed by skeptics as a pre-June 6th iteration of the airplane.   

I am taking evidence from multiple sources, including your very photo, to build the case that this is what the skin looked like.  I  have no emotional investment in whether or not it had invasion stripes.   I will change it based purely on the evidence.    If you guys can find more details for me I will use them.   This is the safest version of it based on the evidence we have on hand, so that's what I have gone with--for now.
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2017, 08:00:22 AM »
Nice work V!  This is one skin I'll definitely use.

Thanks, bro!   :salute
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #25 on: October 24, 2017, 02:09:56 AM »
Ok I give up.  :bhead
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #26 on: October 24, 2017, 10:48:56 AM »
Ok I give up.  :bhead

We have the actual aircraft and an excavation team's report.   What do you have?    A picture you claimed was post-June 6th when you thought it refuted our research but now are unsure when it supports it.

If you have cold hard solid evidence to the contrary on this I will gladly use it.   I don't think you will find it.  It's hard to beat having the actual aircraft on hand. 
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS (Updated)
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2023, 11:40:07 PM »
Quick update to the markings and a few added details.

It needs a redraw but this makes it a bit more useful in the MA.   Original at bottom.   It's amazing what a few minor tweaks can do to a skin.







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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2023, 11:46:29 PM »
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Re: Lt. William D. Lacy, Jr. - P-51B/F-6B (TX-T) - 10th PRG, 12 PRS
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2023, 12:46:53 AM »
Nice.
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