The HO

[Arlo]

Do you even play any more?

Yup. Do you?

Your cartoons used to hint at a sense of humor.

[Delirium]

When I used to be a Trainer, I told my students to take any shot provided the enemy cannot return fire. While I used to be a purist, I accept that the possibility of a head on pass needs to be there to prevent lead turns from occurring so early that it is performed in front of the enemy aircraft.

The same individuals (other than new players) that rely on the HO pass are the cannon equipped ENY5 veterans. If you want to play like this, go ahead, but you won't be stroking any ego other than your own. As Frank Leahy once said, "Ego is the anesthesia that dulls the pain of stupidity."

[caldera]

For most of my AH career, I believed in the "don't HO" mentality.  All the while, getting HOd by just about anyone that thought they could get away with it. 
Outnumbered many vs 1 or 1v1 made no difference.  Plenty of "name" players HOd just like the noobs and that continues to this day.

[Arlo]

I've never really taken ho whines seriously, no matter how they're disguised. 

[Wiley]

The HO is just another reason why players dont stick around. 20-30 HOs and they figure that they aren't "winning" enough of them and soon get bored and so move on. Having to dodge HO attempt after HO attempt is almost as bad.....

Yes.  I am sure if more of them experienced a proper merge and were then shot down in the first 2 turns 20 or 30 times, their experience would be ever so much better. 

BTW Junky, you on tonight?  I'm up for some education if you are.  (Not sure who's going to get educated, but somebody will)

Wiley.

[JunkyII]

Yes.  I am sure if more of them experienced a proper merge and were then shot down in the first 2 turns 20 or 30 times, their experience would be ever so much better. 

BTW Junky, you on tonight?  I'm up for some education if you are.  (Not sure who's going to get educated, but somebody will)

Wiley.

I am hoping to be on tonight, was on the other day...CH manager was reading my controllers...game was showing they were there but wasn't getting any input.

[Wiley]

I am hoping to be on tonight, was on the other day...CH manager was reading my controllers...game was showing they were there but wasn't getting any input.

Cool.  If your stuff's working shoot me a PM if you see me and I don't see you.  Should only take about 15 minutes or so.

Wiley.

[The Fugitive]

Yes.  I am sure if more of them experienced a proper merge and were then shot down in the first 2 turns 20 or 30 times, their experience would be ever so much better. 

BTW Junky, you on tonight?  I'm up for some education if you are.  (Not sure who's going to get educated, but somebody will)

Wiley

your an all or nothing kind of guy aren't ya

You can honestly believe that some semblance of a fight, even if it is only 2 turns is the same as a joust ?

I spent the afternoon once going against violator in 109s. He beat me every time. It was fun, even tho I lost every fight, until he went for a HO. I asked him why the Ho? The answer was it was the only way he could get me that time.

Fights over, I went looking some other fight, don't care what violator did after that. I just left that front, I know of some who have left the game. Why encourage anyone to go for the HO?

[wil3ur]

Usually when I see an enemy setting up for a HO on a merge, I lick my lips and start to cause some lateral separation with a slight bank.  Think will get them to pull into me to try and adjust their lead shot on me.  At that point I can normally do a lead turn inside them, end up on their 6 and watch them dive and run away to the nearest ack (P51 and Dora Pilots especially).

There is however the HO shots that are mostly unavoidable.  These are the LA and Spit junkies who's only tactic if they have an enemy on their 6 is to pull a hard loop and face blast the target behind them.  In these instances, I have no problem opening up on the guys pulling around on me.  Then when they whine on 200 afterwards with "Nice HO" I just laugh, because that's exactly what they were trying to do and got beat.   

[Wiley]

your an all or nothing kind of guy aren't ya

Fights over, I went looking some other fight, don't care what violator did after that. I just left that front

Not so much, but it sure seems like you are.

You can honestly believe that some semblance of a fight, even if it is only 2 turns is the same as a joust ?

You honestly think losing a joust for a newb is materially different from getting manhandled in 1 or 2 turns?

Why encourage anyone to go for the HO?

I don't encourage them to go for the HO.  I discourage it by avoiding it, as opposed to posting 20 page whine threads in the forums.  If you guys spent half the energy you spend browbeating people on 200 and the forums learning to avoid the HO, it would be a non-factor in the game.

Instead, you fly in front of a guy and then whine when he pulls the trigger.

Wiley.

[nrshida]

You honestly think losing a joust for a newb is materially different from getting manhandled in 1 or 2 turns?

I do.

[Wiley]

I do.

Actually, you're right.  Occasionally if he jousts, he'll get to put some rounds into the other guy.

Wiley.

[nrshida]

Actually, you're right.  Occasionally if he jousts, he'll get to put some rounds into the other guy.

I was thinking eventually he might get interested in how another player is out-manoeuvring him in short order and look into improving his ACM.

[Wiley]

I was thinking eventually he might get interested in how another player is out-manoeuvring him in short order and look into improving his ACM.

...Which somehow doesn't occur if the other guy avoids his HO, then kills him in a turn or two?  It seems like some people think the single bestest way to get people interested in ACM is to whine about HOs and shun people who do it while browbeating them.

Wiley.

[Arlo]

Did the film player stop working? I bet players who want to know how they got beat could use that. I also bet players who win ho's will just keep using the ho if the opponent that lost to the ho cries bout it. Maybe he/she will even if there's no crying/posturing/faux superiority at all.

Funny how some people invent reasons to be discontent.