Author Topic: How many feel this Friday after Turkey day is a problem? (Read 3590 times)

ghostdancer · « **Reply #15 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:09:00 PM »

Well the turnout for the Nightmares is a little lighter than usual so far but I have not gotten an answer from everyone one.

So far I have:

So we definitely have enough numbers to make a go of it. But I think it really swings on how all the other squads are doing for turnout.

I personally say Nightmares would not have a problem either way. Another week would give us more practice time and more time to turn more people out. Not to mention that 2 weeks would give Pyroman a better chance of finding a computer to at least fly in the TOD he planned for the allies.

Hening · « **Reply #16 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:11:00 PM »

Wow, just a few fast replies.

The question was if your squad was going to be present. My reply was "no" and then an explaination of why. Along with the explaination came a bit of constructive critique formulated by reactions of members of our squad. I have no idea to whom or why this should be a personal email?

The terrain download being part of the entrance to the arena two weeks ago was a nightmare. I am considering it a technical glitch since a number of our squad got to the event late because of the slow download time and were not granted permission to take off. Iwas there one half our early and did not make it. The download of the terrain was choked since so many were trying to get it at once. Okay, if it isn't a technical glitch it must be considered an organizational issue since none of us were aware that either the terrain needed to be downloaded or that so many would be downloading at the same time or the server could not handle the traffic. A problem by any other name.

I only hope that the defensive tone of replies still alows those in control to possibly take note. These observations are those of our squad not just me. If this post doesn't belong here, do me a favour and cut and paste it to the area of the BBS you feel it should be.

As a CM in another sim, I've already made my points personally to any CM that treats a player as if they are doing the player a favour. The goal should be to get numbers in these events.

I have already submitted my name and experience and will hopefully make the list at some point.

Please forgive all the personal answers that are in fact off topic, but I felt compelled to respond to the fact that my original post was turned into such a personal reaction.

Cheers,

Ripsnort · « **Reply #17 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:30:00 PM »

Hening, with the release of V1.08 and DX8 within, that hosed a bunch of terrains. Consider it technology advancement on the glitch two weeks ago.

As for the CM group as a whole, they are alot further advanced than WB's was at 2 years old, I know, I was there...they will do just fine, teething is always part of growing.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #18 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:34:00 PM »

Incidently, we all should be open minded about constructive critism, it only makes the sim better.

funkedup · « **Reply #19 on:** November 19, 2001, 02:42:00 PM »

Hening in retrospect you're right about your comments not being off topic. I retract my statement to that effect. I truly hope that you will become a CM and that 416 will continue to partipate in the TOD.

[ 11-19-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]

LePaul · « **Reply #20 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:05:00 PM »

Hello, I am a member of Hening's Squad and wanted to back up what he's saying.

We really enjoy the TODs and Scenarios. Myself and Abunabi are late night guys, these guys hit the sack earlier than us, so we do not get to fly as a squad as often as we would like. Thus why we look forward to the TODs and plan our lifestyles accordingly for that. (Those poor guys are drinking foamy cups of java to keep up with us NightOwls). So, when the TOD goes FUBAR for a variety of reasons, its a real disappointment for our guys.

First, let's talk about the CM stuff. I know you guys do a lot of work on this, and you also remind all participants about all the work you do on it. So, suffice to say, we understand its not an easy task. But, if I may, I'd like to suggest some "protocol" that makes things easier for everyone.

First, if late walk-ons are a faux-pas for CMs, then late orders and terrains should be to. Ideally, everything needed for all players to play the weekly TOD should be out the door the Monday before, so Squads can practice and develop their skills. For us, and I'm sure others, it becomes part of our Squad Practice sessions.

Further, this gives the Flight/Squad Leads of each Squadron a chance to link up and communicate with their follow players...for example, escorts can open a dialogue with their bombers.

It just seems to me that if anyone speaks harshly of the previous weeks TOD, they are shoved the "oh we work so hard on these TODs" and then the flame war begins. I'd like to think the TOD Scenario folks have rugged egos and can accept the suggestions. Again, I know the scenario folks do a lot, we're simply asking that certain protocols and deadlines be enforced, so squads can have what they need prior to play, and hopefully be less stress on the CMs

Speaking on my behalf, we've tried to be really patient with the recent issues with the TODs. We ALSO put a lot of time and planning into being there.

So, with that said, let's help each other out so that the TOD's continue to be a popular and packed event.

Please, no flames

skernsk · « **Reply #21 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:25:00 PM »

A couple of points I'd like to make LePaul.

First, if late walk-ons are a faux-pas for CMs, then late orders and terrains should be to. Ideally, everything needed for all players to play the weekly TOD should be out the door the Monday before, so Squads can practice and develop their skills.

I am in charge of this TOD. I do the behind the scenes stuff which is everything BUT the set-up on the day of the event.

For frame 1 I sent the General Orders on Saturday leaving a week for the Frame C.O. to send orders out to his squads. I did the samw thing for frame 2 and sent the General Orders out on the Saturday. We usually want the orders out by Monday and try to do that.

As for the terrian it had a few bugs that we squashed. Unfortunately we had a bug built into the table that caused us nightmares last Friday. It happens...and we decided to cancel.

It just seems to me that if anyone speaks harshly of the previous weeks TOD, they are shoved the "oh we work so hard on these TODs" and then the flame war begins.

Well when you spend several hours on the TOD and a guy is squeaking that he had to wait for a download he could have gotten a day before the event it would piss you off too I'm sure. On that issue we even had it posted that the terrian was available for download in the SEA and if it wasn't contact a CM and he will load it into the SEA for you to download. My question...what were people doing a day before the event? My guess was they were in the MA and could have spent the few mins to download the terrain and then go furballing. This is the only complaint I saw regarding the present TOD. If there are more shoot me a private maessage.

I'd like to think the TOD Scenario folks have rugged egos and can accept the suggestions.

I'm always open to suggestions LePaul and as a rookie CM I am sure I have tons of areas that need improvment. And even though I type in blue in the SEA I am still a player of Aces High and am no better than you or Henig or anyone else out there.

It does get frustrating when you "think" ya done good and someone rains on your parade over the most ridiculous thing.

Another thing that I like is the fact that some squads take the TOD events we run quite seriously. Since we are the ones particiapating anything that can make them run better or smoother is fair game.

Swager · « **Reply #22 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:37:00 PM »

I think the TOD people are great! It takes alot of work (personal time) to run one of these things.

Also I expect a few things to go wrong, nothing is ever perfect. I guess it is just me to look at the positive things in these scenarios than the negative. Makes for better flying!

I am to be out of town Friday and unfortunatealy cannot make the TOD.

Good Post, Im glad someone got this out in the open.

LePaul · « **Reply #23 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:41:00 PM »

Thanks for responding kindly

To your points:

I am in charge of this TOD. I do the behind the scenes stuff which is everything BUT the set-up on the day of the event.

For frame 1 I sent the General Orders on Saturday leaving a week for the Frame C.O. to send orders out to his squads. I did the samw thing for frame 2 and sent the General Orders out on the Saturday. We usually want the orders out by Monday and try to do that.

As for the terrian it had a few bugs that we squashed. Unfortunately we had a bug built into the table that caused us nightmares last Friday. It happens...and we decided to cancel.

I appreciate your promptness. As I pointed out, many of us base our squad practice, as well as what we fly in the Main Arena, on what our orders are. The sooner we have that data, the sooner we can get up to snuff on that particular airplane.

Well when you spend several hours on the TOD and a guy is squeaking that he had to wait for a download he could have gotten a day before the event it would piss you off too I'm sure. On that issue we even had it posted that the terrian was available for download in the SEA and if it wasn't contact a CM and he will load it into the SEA for you to download. My question...what were people doing a day before the event? My guess was they were in the MA and could have spent the few mins to download the terrain and then go furballing. This is the only complaint I saw regarding the present TOD. If there are more shoot me a private maessage.

Hening, myself and a few of our other members didn't see that we had to download the map, and usually map downloads are very fast. Hening's download never finished, nor did mine or the other gents.

Problem is, we didnt (I didn't!) know we had to download a map prior to the event. Could that be something as a logon message to the Main Area, as a reminder? Not everyone cruises the BBS or knows to look in here. Just a suggestion to reduce this problem from happening again.

I'm always open to suggestions LePaul and as a rookie CM I am sure I have tons of areas that need improvment. And even though I type in blue in the SEA I am still a player of Aces High and am no better than you or Henig or anyone else out there.

It does get frustrating when you "think" ya done good and someone rains on your parade over the most ridiculous thing.

Another thing that I like is the fact that some squads take the TOD events we run quite seriously. Since we are the ones particiapating anything that can make them run better or smoother is fair game.

Well, we do take the TOD/Scenarios very seriously. Its our evening out with the boys, so to speak, and naturally, we like it to be a good time for all. Likewise, its great if everyone can be level-headed and open to input. Poor Hening made a few good points that were composed out of OUR thoughts, as a group....he didn't just dream these up on his own. I've seen some of the blasts were taken back, but it goes to show that if you complain about the Scenarios, sometimes you get labeled a whiner for pointing out things that others are thinking too.

Keep at it Rookie, and thanks for listening.

skernsk · « **Reply #24 on:** November 19, 2001, 03:52:00 PM »

Well LePaul there was one thing that we could have done and that is send an e-mail to all squad C.O's that the terrian was available for download.

Since most if not all are seen here posting fairly regularily I assumed that the message was recieved here.

Another thing was that the terrain needs to be "blessed" by HTC before it can be used. We got the word from HTC that it was accepted and decided that there should be sufficient time for all to download it.

One thing about the TOD's you "serious players" must know. A TOD is never going to be 100% ACCURATE. It is not there for that reason. Instead a TOD is designed as one in which groups or squads can participate and have fun working as a group or with other such groups. It is not there for historians.

When participating in a TOD keep this in mind. You will be given objectives and a strat map. It is up to you to make the orders out for your "team" of squads to achieve those objectives. This way you get to be involved in more ways than just show up and fly.

Wanker · « **Reply #25 on:** November 19, 2001, 04:08:00 PM »

Thanks for the constructive criticism, guys. We hear you and will try to get better.

Hehe, ok I can see that everyone knows that we work our butts off to make these events run. I guess I'll stop adding that to every post I make. Point taken.

Hening, is Holder in your squad? He recently turned down my offer to join the CM team because of lack of free time. So, I still have one spot open. If you're interested, please send me a private message.

Holder · « **Reply #26 on:** November 19, 2001, 07:35:00 PM »

Yes banana I am. See my latest private message to you about rotation to the bottom of the CM list.

Holder

Wanker · « **Reply #27 on:** November 20, 2001, 08:39:00 AM »

Hi Holder, I got your message, will do.

Wanker · « **Reply #28 on:** November 20, 2001, 08:42:00 AM »

Holder, could you please ask Hening to private message me and tell me if he's interested in taking the spot that was going to you? Thanks.

MrKil · « **Reply #29 on:** November 20, 2001, 02:37:00 PM »

I vote to put it off one week if possible <S>. I am not sure if I will be able to make it due to thanksgiving.

Hey how do you get the experince needed to become one of these CM's ?? Any one want to take a new guy under their wing LOL.. Teach him the Scenerio design ropes ??

[ 11-20-2001: Message edited by: MrKil ]