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"Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« on: July 30, 2018, 02:50:12 AM »
This is the topic for discussing the design of the "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario.

Your comments and thoughts -- if you can make them civilly -- are welcome.

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2018, 03:29:16 AM »
I can tell why you didnt want me as CO.

Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2018, 03:45:51 AM »
Weiser has asked if we can put in another Spitfire group into the design.

To add another Spitfire group, we would need to add another group to the Luftwaffe of course.  Also, we should increase the number of bombers a little to keep their ratio.

Thus registration would go from 68 to 84.  84 is higher than what registrations have been running, so I'm not sure it's a good idea.

But we are opening it up to discussion here to see what folks think.


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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2018, 03:50:41 AM »
Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

I don't care if they are Spit 9's or Spit 8's.  I have read that they had both 8's and 9's there in about equal numbers, but I am no expert on the topic.

I'll leave it to others to argue if they should be Spit 8's or 9's.

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What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

All hangars (fighter, bomber, vehicle) and all bunkers (ammo, fuel, barracks).

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2018, 08:50:53 AM »
But we are opening it up to discussion here to see what folks think.

Speaking for my squadron, it will be composed out of guys who will fly for the first time a scenario or don't fly in it regularly. So that should bumb numbers up a touch. They will fly in it because I asked them to.

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2018, 10:45:34 AM »
Will the 190A5s have bombs enabled?
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2018, 10:56:11 AM »
Hiya Larry,

In reply to your question, from the write up

"Fighters have no bombs or rockets."

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2018, 11:16:08 AM »
That's why I asked because I'm confused. I may be mistaken but I thought SG groups were, for the most part, ground attack.
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2018, 12:17:20 PM »
That's why I asked because I'm confused. I may be mistaken but I thought SG groups were, for the most part, ground attack.

Yes, the 190's in Sicily belonged to ground attack units: Schlachtgeschwader 2(Sch.G.2) and Schnellkampfgeschwader 10(SKG 10)

There are mentions in this book of II/Sch.G.2 mounting fighter sorties, both in escort and defense roles.
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #10 on: July 30, 2018, 12:18:01 PM »
I can tell why you didnt want me as CO.

Why are the allies getting spit8s instead of 9s I thought in 43 the 31st was still transitioning from 5s to 9s?

What are point generating land targets? Actual hangers? Or buildings?

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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2018, 12:29:33 PM »
Yes, the 190's in Sicily belonged to ground attack units: Schlachtgeschwader 2(Sch.G.2) and Schnellkampfgeschwader 10(SKG 10)

There are mentions in this book of II/Sch.G.2 mounting fighter sorties, both in escort and defense roles.
http://airwarpublications.com/wp-content/uploads/Sample-Fw-190-in-the-Battle-for-Sicily.pdf


I figured they must have run escort missions if their bombs have been disabled. I just wanted clarification. P.S. do you have that book? If so is it a good read? I need to add more to my bookshelf and since my birthday is coming up I can get away with spending a few hundred on books with the wife.
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2018, 12:30:11 PM »
I'm sure the Luftwaffe experts will correct me if I'm wrong, but it also appears JG 53 was in G6s by the time of the Pantellaria operations in June of 43
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2018, 12:36:30 PM »
They had a mix of G-4s and G-6s. We don't have G-4s, so I requested a group of G-2s.
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Re: "Pantelleria, 1943" scenario-design topic
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2018, 12:37:47 PM »
Right and this fight was May to June of 43 so allies should still be running 9s not 8s.

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