Lt. Glenn W. Loucks - P-51D "Bloody Rebel!" (5B-S) - 364th FG 385th FS

[Guppy35]

Argh!  The images of 5E birds you see are after the stripes were removed.  The N2 birds are 364th as are the 5E.  you are making this much harder than it has to be.  They didn't paint the stripes at the squadron or even group level when the 364th got their 51s.  They removed them when the orders came down at squadron and group level but they didn't paint them originally.

More 364th birds.  Clearly they took more photos of the N2 coded birds.  The Group history reflects that in terms of images as well.  it doesn't change the fact they got 51s with depot applied markings

[Devil 505]

I found this.

[Guppy35]

Also understand that Fencer did the markings based on the profile of the plane I did before I realized the stripes were incorrect.

That's where the info came from.  The stripes are as I did them, incorrectly

[Vraciu]

I found this.

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He is claiming that’s irrelevant because it was a 1st Scouting Force airplane at the time of the photo.

I contend it is a better idea of what a 5E P-51D-5 would look like because they would have painted over the 5E with the added white stripe if it was added after leaving the 364th. 


Same here—5E still visible despite white stripe: 




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[Vraciu]

Also understand that Fencer did the markings based on the profile of the plane I did before I realized the stripes were incorrect.

That's where the info came from.  The stripes are as I did them, incorrectly



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You did that?   Pretty nice. 

Do we at least know how many white stripes it had?   I have to do the blending on the fuselage parts one way or the other so it would be nice to know at least that before I worry about trimming their height. 

[Devil 505]

You did that?   Pretty nice. 

Do we at least know how many white stripes it had?   I have to do the blending on the fuselage parts one way or the other so it would be nice to know at least that before I worry about trimming their height.

From every image it's safe to say only one white stripe surrounded by black stripes.

[Vraciu]

From every image it's safe to say only one white stripe surrounded by black stripes.

So do the center white stripe with all three chopped down?

[Guppy35]

I found this.

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Again, 1st Scouting Force.  note it's an early 51D-5NA without the Fillet on the tail.  So it would have been flying prior to when the 364th transitioned to 51s.  The 1st SF was formed by a former bomber Group Leader, Budd Peaslee.  His 51 was one you posted your first time posting 1st SF birds.

This is his 51 which also was a 5-NA without the fillet.   Note the placement of the stripes.  Again an early 51D, not one from the depot sent to the 364th when they gave up 38s

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They are not 364th FG planes despite the code letters. 

[Vraciu]

Another 5E...

[Vraciu]

Again, 1st Scouting Force.  note it's an early 51D-5NA without the Fillet on the tail.  So it would have been flying prior to when the 364th transitioned to 51s.  The 1st SF was formed by a former bomber Group Leader, Budd Peaslee.  His 51 was one you posted your first time posting 1st SF birds.

This is his 51 which also was a 5-NA without the fillet.   Note the placement of the stripes.  Again an early 51D, not one from the depot sent to the 364th when they gave up 38s

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They are not 364th FG planes despite the code letters.

The airplane I am skinning IS a P-51D-5-NA.   If that’s how they were striped then this one would be also I think...that’s the confusion. 

And why would they have 5E and not have been 364th airplanes at some point?

[Guppy35]

So do the center white stripe with all three chopped down?

No.  White/Black/White/Black/White at the lower level on the fuselage.  The dirt and grime makes it look like it's missing in the black and white images

[Devil 505]

So do the center white stripe with all three chopped down?

I would do that. If the D-5's are not 364th GF, then they are irrelevant despite having the same squadron code - as bizarre as that is.

[Vraciu]

No.  White/Black/White/Black/White at the lower level on the fuselage.  The dirt and grime makes it look like it's missing in the black and white images

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Okay.   See my post above.  Clarify that if you don’t mind.   Basically all I’m looking at now is the height of the stripes then...

[Vraciu]

I would do that. If the D-5's are not 364th GF, then they are irrelevant despite having the same squadron code - as bizarre as that is.

Yeah.  Bizarre as hell.   

[Devil 505]

Yeah.  Bizarre as hell.   

Listen to Guppy. my post landed after his last one did, but I did not see it.