Stop Giving Auto Ack Proxies

[Vraciu]

thats a good term for it.


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It would say in the buffer, “Ciaphis scored a Maneuver kill on Vraciu.”

[Ciaphas]

It would say in the buffer, “Ciaphis scored a Maneuver kill on Vraciu.”

haha that would be awesome man!

talk about creating a grudge book haha


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[lunaticfringe]

whine, whine, whine,  so they should just let you kill them-oh never mind

[Ramesis]

Not the point.

Of course it is... those complaining about ack typically are those that fly into it...

I've done it myself 

[Vraciu]

whine, whine, whine,  so they should just let you kill them-oh never mind

Not the point.   If they live that's enough reward. 

[Vraciu]

Of course it is... those complaining about ack typically are those that fly into it...

I've done it myself 

Wrong again on multiple assertions. 

[icepac]

I don't care about score so ack does not deter me one bit.

Sure, it's not fun for some guy who never had guns on you get a kill on you and it's even less fun when they gloat about it.    (what are they gloating about?.....they did nothing).

[Vraciu]

I don't care about score so ack does not deter me one bit.

Sure, it's not fun for some guy who never had guns on you get a kill on you and it's even less fun when they gloat about it.    (what are they gloating about?.....they did nothing).

It’s also not fun because they avoid fighting.   It actually encourages the behavior.  Turn off the kill award and let’s see if people venture out.   If they don’t then at least they aren’t rewarded for the behavior. 

[Kingpin]

It actually encourages the behavior.

The bulk of the behavior you are describing is not encouraged by proxies, it is encouraged by players wanting to survive.  The vast majority of people are NOT doing this as a primary means of getting kills.  They are not going to suddenly start deciding to stick around and fight it out just because their ack won't give them a proxy kill.

If they don’t then at least they aren’t rewarded for the behavior.

Have you considered that the proxy announcement may not be designed as a reward but as a deterrent?  If you have for this reason decided not to follow people into ack, as you claim, then perhaps it is working as intended.

If removing it will encourage more people to fly into enemy ack, then perhaps that is why it remains.

There are ways to force a situation where someone doesn't have the time or the inclination to run to their ack.  If you are having trouble engaging people with a Pony before they can get to ack, it may be something you want to explore.  That is something you CAN control, whereas other player's behavior you cannot.

[Vraciu]

The bulk of the behavior you are describing is not encouraged by proxies, it is encouraged by players wanting to survive.  The vast majority of people are NOT doing this as a primary means of getting kills.  They are not going to suddenly start deciding to stick around and fight it out just because their ack won't give them a proxy kill.

Conjecture.    It doesn’t matter if the majority of a bad behavior or merely a large share is encouraged by it.  If you eliminate the incentive then at least SOME will be encouraged to do something else—like move out and fight. 

It only takes a handful of people doing this with low numbers to have a significant negative impact.  We see it all the time.

It rewards something that needs/deserves no reward.   Getting killed by ack is sufficient deterrent without rewarding those who live in it. 

We have already repeatedly addressed your other points.  See prior posts by myself and others for details. 

[guncrasher]

this is what i find funny about those who are always looking for a fight and cant find it.

a couple of days ago vraciu was hanging high over a base.  one of our friendlies  was climbing up to him to engage when he same me coming in for landing and just dove it past the friendly fighter.  vraciu dove in ack was fully up and nailed me just seconds before i could end my flight.  not a biggie a kill is a kill.  but he ran with our friendly chasing him for a sector and a half till he got cornered by 2 other guys then he died.

so vraciu what kind of fight are you looking for you had 2 chances to fight s single fighter and you chose to run.


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[Vraciu]

this is what i find funny about those who are always looking for a fight and cant find it.

a couple of days ago vraciu was hanging high over a base.  one of our friendlies  was climbing up to him to engage when he same me coming in for landing and just dove it past the friendly fighter.  vraciu dove in ack was fully up and nailed me just seconds before i could end my flight.  not a biggie a kill is a kill.  but he ran with our friendly chasing him for a sector and a half till he got cornered by 2 other guys then he died.

so vraciu what kind of fight are you looking for you had 2 chances to fight s single fighter and you chose to run.


semp

Context is everything.    I was making a beeline to stop a base take.  I was too late.  I vulched you on principle on the way out.   

I wasn't running.  It was three against one and I was pulling a 190 away from the other two, primarily a 109 ganger, while equalizing my energy disadvantage so I could kill him.   Unfortunately one of your brave countrymen—alerted long before to my approach by the three pursuing aircraft—upped in an LA from two sectors away and came in for the pick.   The “victory” went to someone else, thankfully.   4 v 1.    No dishonor in that death at all.  It was an exciting few minutes.   I enjoyed it. 

(I say this without malice: The kill on you was triple the usual satisfaction since you had literally just attacked me on 200 unprovoked.    The irony was quite funny.  My fellow Rooks and I had a good laugh over it.  I suspect you probably laughed at yourself over it as well based on part of your comment above—we’ve all been there before!   Lol.   Good times.)

 

[guncrasher]

you were not running but you flew for more than a sector with a guy behind you until you got cornered and died.  well if that is your idea of gameplay you should have said so before.


semp

[Oldman731]

I vulched you on principle on the way out.

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Unfortunately one of your brave countrymen—alerted long before to my approach by the three pursuing aircraft—upped in an LA from two sectors away and came in for the pick.

Somehow these two statements do not seem to go together.

To me, at least.

- oldman

[Vraciu]

you were not running but you flew for more than a sector with a guy behind you until you got cornered and died.  well if that is your idea of gameplay you should have said so before.


semp

Again, my job is to pull one guy away from his friends to kill him rather than get mobbed three on one.

I was at an energy and (huge) numbers disadvantage long before I dove in to kill you.   I made the best of the situation and had fun while doing so.