Another 737 down

[Toad]

What went wrong is two different crews were unable to recognize and handle an AOA malfunction.

[Puma44]

What went wrong is two different crews were unable to recognize and handle an AOA malfunction.

Exactly!

[Vraciu]

What went wrong is two different crews were unable to recognize and handle an AOA malfunction.

Yup.


Been incorporating trim runaways into my sims for a long time now.     Every crew so far has handled the situation to a successful outcome.

[Toad]

Vraciu, same here.

Since the second lack of situational awareness caused a MAX crash I have been giving Runaway Stabilizer, AOA failure and the Stall Barrier failure on takeoff at about 50 feet in the sim. Each PIC gets one or the other AOA based malfunctions and both get the Stab. All no notice of course.

In the G550, the Stall Barrier is kinda/sorta like MCAS. It activates a hydraulic stick pusher that shoves the nose down. The AOA fail gives a steady stick shaker but doesn't move the nose. Uncommanded Stabilizer gives an immediate large pitch up.

So far no crew has failed to recognize these as malfunctions and use normal pitch/power to ......wait for it.....

FLY THE AIRCRAFT!!!!!      to a safe resolution of the problem.

[Busher]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/05/29/boeing-737-max-ethiopian-pilot-pleaded-training/1277756001/

An Ethiopian pilot has spoken up; indeed he quit the airline over safety concerns. I appreciate he's Canadian like me and God knows we are all left-wing s**t-disturbers. So the airline is claiming he was fired (like any airline can afford to fire experienced pilots today for anything less than doing the owner's wife); and hence, his comments are being made in bad faith. They continue to lay all blame on Boeing.

The most notable thing is, that no western airline I have ever been associated with rejects hearing pilot safety concerns.

[Toad]

Thanks for that one, Busher.

So von Hoesslin called the card before it was played, to the "T".

Too bad about von Hoesslin dying in that car crash tomorrow or next week.

And even ole Randy Babbitt, who bailed out of  failing Eastern into ALPA to gain a luxurious lifestyle and then jumped to the FAA Administrator job recognizes the truth:

“So Boeing was at fault because a light came on or this thing tripped mistakenly, but it shouldn’t have brought the airplane down,” Babbitt said of the anti-stall system. “That was very fixable and a pretty simple solution. And they didn’t come to grips with it. … They let the plane get away from them.”

Ummm....yep.

[Puma44]

Thanks for that one, Busher.

So von Hoesslin called the card before it was played, to the "T".

Too bad about von Hoesslin dying in that car crash tomorrow or next week.

And even ole Randy Babbitt, who bailed out of  failing Eastern into ALPA to gain a luxurious lifestyle and then jumped to the FAA Administrator job recognizes the truth:

Ummm....yep.

Finally, truth of the matter comes from the top.

[Toad]

Babbitt was FAA Administrator for just a few years, like 2006-2009. Don't want anyone to think he still is.

[Shuffler]

Babbitt was FAA Administrator for just a few years, like 2006-2009. Don't want anyone to think he still is.

Yes... probably need to make that very clear for today's "so called" journalist. 

[Vraciu]

Thanks for that one, Busher.

So von Hoesslin called the card before it was played, to the "T".

Too bad about von Hoesslin dying in that car crash tomorrow or next week.

And even ole Randy Babbitt, who bailed out of  failing Eastern into ALPA to gain a luxurious lifestyle and then jumped to the FAA Administrator job recognizes the truth:

Ummm....yep.

Those two just hate people from other countries, particularly those on the African continent.  /sarcasticblue

[Puma44]

Babbitt was FAA Administrator for just a few years, like 2006-2009. Don't want anyone to think he still is.

Good point.  Thanks.

[kilo2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO7_indbfME 60 minutes in the land of OZ for some fuel to the fire.

[Vraciu]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU


“Just when I thought I was out.........”

[FLS]

...60 minutes in the land of OZ for some fuel to the fire.

The video shows how very obvious it is when the big trim wheels start turning and the windscreen is green instead of blue.

[Toad]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO7_indbfME 60 minutes in the land of OZ for some fuel to the fire.

why INCOMPETENT pilots now fear flying the 737 MAX;

FIFY.