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« Reply #480 on: August 13, 2020, 02:52:11 PM »
It's a team sport with health consequences.

"Players have gotten seriously ill, however. And at least five big-time college football players have decided to forgo the season to prepare for the NFL draft, citing concerns about coronavirus transmission. Multiple schools have experienced breakouts of the virus that necessitated two-week suspensions of workouts, just days before the season is expected to — maybe — begin in early September. "

"Oregon State University’s football team generates 80 percent of the athletic department’s revenue. And the fallout could go far beyond individual universities — the Big Ten, for instance, has a media rights deal with CBS, ESPN, and Fox worth an estimated $2.64 billion. The Pac-12 has gone so far as to pursue a massive loan, promising roughly $84 million to each member school to make up for lost revenue in case the season is canceled.

But one entity critical to college football is highly unlikely to receive a bailout: the players themselves, several of which have contracted Covid-19 and suffered serious physical consequences. In response, players in two conferences (the Pac-12 and the Big Ten) have formed unity groups, asking for better Covid-19 testing and protection. In the case of #WeAreUnited, the Pac-12 group, they also stated a willingness to boycott workouts and games unless their demands are met.

The entire apparatus of one of the country’s most popular sports depends on college students who are not compensated for their work, college students who find themselves at risk of long-term injury and now a potentially deadly virus while their coaches and administrators make millions. But in the wake of a coronavirus shake-up, players across the country are starting to stand up and say: not so fast.

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It should be up to the players to play or quit. They can also move on to the nfl if that is what they want to do.

I think the schools are concerned because folks want to blame everything but themselves for their own decisions

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #481 on: August 13, 2020, 02:57:50 PM »
I also like that the system is changing so that players can get money (the whole NIL stuff that's in the works).

That's a separate issue, though.

There are going to be some players who don't want to play -- and they don't have to.  Many places made it so that a player not wanting to play for the season still has a scholarship and gets another season of eligibility.  For those people, that is a fine decision.

There are going to be some players who do want to play -- and they cannot.  Those people might feel that health risks for young, healthy people -- while certainly not zero -- are lower than the downside of a skipped season torpedoing their plans and goals.  Those people are out of luck.

Neither of those two above opinions is wrong.  Which is the correct choice for a person depends on the person, his situation, and his risk/benefit analysis.

Just because it is a team doesn't mean both opinions can't be accommodated.  The only way you can't accommodate both is if the majority of players do not want to play, and that is not the case.


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« Reply #483 on: August 13, 2020, 03:23:18 PM »
I think the schools are concerned because folks want to blame everything but themselves for their own decisions

The schools are concerned about money .... period.

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« Reply #484 on: August 13, 2020, 03:27:28 PM »
The schools are concerned about money .... period.

None exist without money. Same with every business.
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« Reply #485 on: August 13, 2020, 03:34:37 PM »
None exist without money. Same with every business.

And there is the problem. Public schools were never really meant to be businesses but have morphed into such anyhow. Public funds supported public schools just fine before the age of hyper-greed. Sports were somewhat innocently added to promote school pride and fitness. With the Covid threat, some are letting the former overshadow the latter at the expense of the student athlete as they claim to be protecting their 'freedom' (but not their health).

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« Reply #486 on: August 13, 2020, 03:59:08 PM »
And there is the problem. Public schools were never really meant to be businesses but have morphed into such anyhow. Public funds supported public schools just fine before the age of hyper-greed. Sports were somewhat innocently added to promote school pride and fitness. With the Covid threat, some are letting the former overshadow the latter at the expense of the student athlete as they claim to be protecting their 'freedom' (but not their health).


Colleges are businesses. Always have been.

Public schools are fully supported by your tax dollars.
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« Reply #487 on: August 13, 2020, 04:04:33 PM »


Colleges are businesses. Always have been.

Public schools are fully supported by your tax dollars.

State colleges and universities are upper level public schools. And yes, they've turned into businesses for profit. Which is a shame. No state university in the nation should feel threatened if a season of sports get cancelled due to a pandemic that is costing lives.

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« Reply #488 on: August 13, 2020, 04:10:59 PM »
State colleges and universities are upper level public schools. And yes, they've turned into businesses for profit. Which is a shame. No state university in the nation should feel threatened if a season of sports get cancelled due to a pandemic that is costing lives.

Sure.... if you take the money away from the school..... you replace it from another area.... or the school shuts down. Just double tuition. That should do it.
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« Reply #489 on: August 13, 2020, 04:14:03 PM »
Sure.... if you take the money away from the school..... you replace it from another area.... or the school shuts down. Just double tuition. That should do it.

Um, tuition will keep my school afloat, as is.

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« Reply #490 on: August 13, 2020, 04:56:09 PM »
Kids are safer at school around the same people locked down in a bubble (like nba) than they would be if they all went home. I say let the kids play if they want to. Remember we are speaking about something that has a 99% survival rate. Similar to the flu ;)
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« Reply #491 on: August 13, 2020, 05:03:40 PM »
Kids are safer at school around the same people locked down in a bubble (like nba) than they would be if they all went home. I say let the kids play if they want to. Remember we are speaking about something that has a 99% survival rate. Similar to the flu ;)

Remember ... the transmission rate is high ... the recovery doesn't provide immunity ... the lifelong consequences are not fully known but there are some (heart mainly but other organs as well). So, the '99% survival rate' is actually deceiving. It may have a recovery rate that's high but that doesn't mean it doesn't shorten life spans over the entire spectrum. Child sacrifice used to be frowned upon.

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #492 on: August 13, 2020, 07:19:09 PM »
Arlo, much of what appears in the news on this issue, including from many sources previously considered top tier and nonpartisan, is slanted to be sensational, or is wrong or misleading.

I say this after reading scientific papers cited as the sources for many such article,s and being able to evaluate when a study is useless or when the news article is way off base on its summary.

It is possible that much of what you think is true, news headlines notwithstanding,  about sars2 is wrong.

That is one reason why people should get to decide for themselves what to do and not have their lives decided by third parties.  Even if you think they are making the wrong decision.

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Re: College football 2019
« Reply #493 on: August 13, 2020, 07:26:39 PM »
People cite the possibility of lawsuits.  But there is the possibility of lawsuits for cancelling as well.  And michigan, for example, which normally gets 180m dollars per year in football revenue, even without fans, would get an estimated 130m if the season had run.  There will also be losses to the program in following years because of the shutdown, and losses to many businesses that get football related revenue.

I do not think it was finance that drove the decision.  I think it was mainly fear of sars2 infection of players.

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« Reply #494 on: August 13, 2020, 07:54:38 PM »
But there is the possibility of lawsuits for cancelling as well.

Not so much.