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Title: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2019, 03:17:01 AM
College football is almost here!

Every year is the year that my beloved Wolverines finally beat the evil Ohio State Buckeyes for the first time in a long time.

This year, it comes true!  :aok

We Michigan fans are hoping for a higher-scoring offense this year, since we have a new offensive coordinator from Alabama, and many of our best guys are returning on offense.  Defense loses several great players to the NFL, but we are hoping that the guys behind them are still very good.

Ohio State loses one of the best coaches in the history of college football (Urban Meyer), but their new coach Ryan Day looks to be very good in that, with him as offensive coordinator, Ohio State's offense obliterated Michigan in The Game last time.  It looks like he can recruit at an elite level as well.  Last year, Ohio State's defense, despite lots of great talent, wasn't very good -- except in The Game, where they finally pulled it all together and did great.  Ohio State got rid of its defensive coordinator and got Michigan's defensive-line coach to be their new defensive coordinator.  Ohio State lost their quarterback (Haskins) to the NFL in the 1st round.  Haskins was an amazing passer.  To replace him, they got Justin Fields as a transfer from Georgia.  Justin Fields was a 5-star, #2 recruit in the country in 2018.  (Trevor Lawrence was #1 in 2018.)

So, while normally one would think that Ohio State might take a step back -- because it lost a legendary coach, lost one of the best QB's in its history, and changed its defensive coordinator -- instead it might be that Ohio State stays right up there as one of the nation's top teams without missing a beat.

I'm am really looking forward to this season to see how it all turns out.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2019, 03:26:14 AM
Before playing Ohio State (currently ranked #5), Michigan must play the teams that are currently ranked #9, #14, #17, #19, and #20; and the 2nd game of the season is Army, which although not ranked in the top 25 currently, finished 2018 with an 11-2 season, one of the losses being in overtime to Oklahoma, and was ranked #19 at the end of 2018.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2019, 07:34:46 AM
Go Aggies!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on August 13, 2019, 08:12:45 AM
Ohio State doesn't have Purdue on their schedule this year, so maybe they can finally win another Natty.

49-20, never forgetting it.

In other news, the best player in the country plays for Purdue, but will Rondale Moore win the Heisman this year?  Purdue probably needs to go better than 6-7 (including the bowl game) like last year to get that done.  I think we'll be better, and the schedule might be easier with no Michigan nor Ohio State, so its possible.  I'm not going to get truly excited unless we start the season 5-0.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on August 13, 2019, 08:23:58 AM
Without McSorely and Barkley I'm just gonna keep quite over here in my corner. :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: puller on August 13, 2019, 09:50:47 AM
BOOMER!!!!!






That is all... :bolt:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2019, 08:35:38 PM
Without McSorely and Barkley I'm just gonna keep quite over here in my corner. :)

Michigan plays at Penn State this year, and that is always a tough place to play.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Oldman731 on August 13, 2019, 08:54:51 PM
Michigan plays at Penn State this year, and that is always a tough place to play.


Penn State and OSU are my alma maters.  You are the enemy.

...and you always seemed like such a nice guy...

- oldman
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on August 13, 2019, 09:20:40 PM
Will this be the year tOSU gets beat by Michigan? 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 13, 2019, 10:13:34 PM
Go Vols! .500 in SEC would be a good year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2019, 11:07:45 PM

Penn State and OSU are my alma maters.  You are the enemy.

...and you always seemed like such a nice guy...

- oldman

I'm sneaky that way.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2019, 11:13:18 PM
Will this be the year tOSU gets beat by Michigan?

For me, every year, is the year that Michigan beats Ohio State.

This year, I really mean it!  :aok

More seriously, Michigan seems like it could have its best team in a long time (although 2016 was quite good before Speight got injured).  However, it will depend a lot on two things.  First, will the new offensive coordinator from Alabama (Gattis) be really good at calling plays?  (I'm thinking that he will be.)  Second, will Don Brown be able to make another great defense after losing several players to the NFL?  (I'm thinking he will, and that the next guys up are very good.)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 14, 2019, 04:23:12 AM
Go VOLS! Hey, a guy can dream!!!!! :devil
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 14, 2019, 05:14:20 PM
Go VOLS! Hey, a guy can dream!!!!! :devil

If we can win 4 in conference, I will be happy.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 14, 2019, 06:25:13 PM
If we can win 4 in conference, I will be happy.
AMEN  :rock I knew I liked you for some reason :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 14, 2019, 08:37:45 PM
AMEN  :rock I knew I liked you for some reason :aok

Lol. I was the last class to stay at Greve Hall!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on August 14, 2019, 09:04:28 PM
 
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2019, 11:41:30 PM
Alabama?  Are they good this year?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on August 15, 2019, 09:36:28 AM
They are always good.  :D
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 15, 2019, 02:59:07 PM
Lol. I was the last class to stay at Greve Hall!
Nice. I was born there,lol. Had jaundice, but a few days under those BIG ORANGE "grow lights"...good to go :aok Think I had a Orange Blood transfusion or 2.  :rofl Grew up on the John Ward Radio Shows.... So VOL for life! Wonder if my dads work at TVA Nuclear could be contributing factor for the orange blood? EH, who cares it works :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 15, 2019, 03:04:49 PM
It was a fun town and a fun time. I long for those days to return.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on August 15, 2019, 03:21:44 PM
War Eagle !!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 17, 2019, 12:17:35 AM
It was a fun town and a fun time. I long for those days to return.
Same  :rock
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 20, 2019, 11:24:47 AM
Iíve paid to much damn money for my VOLS not to go big with Pruitt. I have a lot of faith. He looks sharp as a coach! 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on August 20, 2019, 05:50:38 PM
I hope he can pull it off!  :rock
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 25, 2019, 04:52:10 PM
I hope he can pull it off!  :rock

Me too!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 25, 2019, 06:00:21 PM
The Vols got our 5-star DL Aubrey Solomon.

I wish he were still at Michigan, but I'll be rooting for him to do well at Tennessee.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 01, 2019, 06:59:12 AM
Some surprising losses this week.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on September 01, 2019, 09:45:35 AM
The Oregon and Auburn game was really good last night. I thought it would be a blowout in the first quarter but Auburn showed they were a real second half team and the Ducks just didn't have the legs to stay at the same level of performance in the last quarter.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 01, 2019, 03:01:27 PM
I enjoyed watching the Michigan vs. MTSU game.  MTSU, coming in from conference USA, played really well and made it more interesting to watch than I was comfortable with at times.  :aok

It was nice to see Michigan's offense opened up more.

I was very glad to see previously injured Michigan players in there doing well.

I liked seeing the new freshmen showing their stuff.

I liked seeing the defense filling in the losses to NFL and graduation, with some of the newer guys looking very good.

There was some fumblitis in the game.  I'm confident that they'll fix that.  There was some sloppiness on offense and defense that they will undoubtedly work on, and it will be critical to the season for them to improve from game 1.

I liked watching the game, thought it was fun to watch, and am looking forward to the season.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 01, 2019, 03:20:38 PM
The Vols lost their first opener in a long time. Surprised there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: CAV on September 01, 2019, 07:32:56 PM
Boise State went East again this opening day... and does what does we love them for out here in Idaho...... :banana:

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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Oldman731 on September 01, 2019, 07:50:34 PM
Boise State went East again this opening day... and does what does we love them for out here in Idaho......


Ah.  For a minute, I confused your team with the Idaho Vandals. 

Looking at the games of the little people, I see that your team did well.  Congrats!

- oldman
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: CAV on September 01, 2019, 08:18:59 PM


We try not not to talk about that other Idaho school...........  :bolt:


CAV
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on September 01, 2019, 09:56:18 PM
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 :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 02, 2019, 01:13:25 PM
judging by the Vols opener Iím gonna need a ton of whiskey to get me through this year. When does it end? When do we become competitive.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on September 03, 2019, 03:51:04 PM
judging by the Vols opener Iím gonna need a ton of whiskey to get me through this year. When does it end? When do we become competitive.

I have been asking that for 50 yrs about Auburn

 :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 03, 2019, 06:02:04 PM
I have been asking that for 50 yrs about Auburn

 :rofl

Let me remind you:

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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 04, 2019, 07:51:15 AM
I have been asking that for 50 yrs about Auburn

 :rofl


Nah yíall had cam. We have a QB that slides in open field on 3&6 2 yards short of the first!!!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 04, 2019, 04:25:24 PM
Nah yíall had cam. We have a QB that slides in open field on 3&6 2 yards short of the first!!!
:furious NOW, I am just hoping UTC doesnt shut us out :uhoh  Last week...embarrassing just doesnt cut it :furious And AT NEYLAND! The corpses under the field were rolling over :mad: Lots of empty seats after half time....sad...cant blame em though.."I got a Sunburn for that?"  :uhoh  Ole Smokey still looks good though, love Blue Ticks
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 04, 2019, 04:29:11 PM
judging by the Vols opener Iím gonna need a ton of whiskey to get me through this year. When does it end? When do we become competitive.
Come on over! I have a Gallon of Jim Beam Black and a 1/2 gallon of Wild Turkey 101. Even some cigars,in case I want to set myself on fire :mad: Luckily I had the Scenario to keep my mind busy....LOL :rofl NO TVs or Controllers were harmed in either "fiasco" :bhead
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 04, 2019, 05:59:42 PM
I was able to watch the 3rd quarter...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 04, 2019, 07:45:18 PM
 #12 A&M vs #1 Clemson Saturday at 2:30 central.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 05, 2019, 10:33:44 AM
I was able to watch the 3rd quarter...

May God be with you.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 05, 2019, 10:56:59 AM
Still the worst loss in recent memory was against Wyoming. That was my Freshman year and the only game I missed that season. It also happened to be Homecoming.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 05, 2019, 03:00:24 PM
Still the worst loss in recent memory was against Wyoming. That was my Freshman year and the only game I missed that season. It also happened to be Homecoming.
:furious THANKS for reminding me  :rofl Well at least YOU didnt get ME in scenario....your squad mates did however :aok I watched it till mid 3rd quarter...then got back in scenario as it was less painful :furious
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 05, 2019, 05:05:01 PM
My neighbor went to Wyoming.  He told me that they beat Missouri in game 1 this year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 05, 2019, 11:24:53 PM
My neighbor went to Wyoming.  He told me that they beat Missouri in game 1 this year.
They sure did!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on September 07, 2019, 03:18:49 PM
Army again chokes in over time loosing the OT to Michigan.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 07, 2019, 03:34:08 PM
Yikes -- that Michigan/Army game was way too close for my comfort.  :uhoh

I greatly hope that Michigan pulls itself together quickly, because next games is Wisconsin at Camp Randall.

On the plus side, a few of the new guys are looking very good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 07, 2019, 10:49:22 PM
Well, there is always the Premier League. So long College Football 2019, been fun.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Oldman731 on September 07, 2019, 10:53:47 PM
Yikes -- that Michigan/Army game was way too close for my comfort. 


Went to a lot of Army's games 2007-2009.  I don't know that anything can match the experience when the game is at West Point.

The TV networks can get some things right, and they sure did with this one:  https://www.facebook.com/CBSSports/videos/10155491432961773/?v=10155491432961773

- oldman (I know, I've posted it before.  It doesn't get old for me.)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 08, 2019, 01:48:55 AM
Well, there is always the Premier League. So long College Football 2019, been fun.
IKR? They suckered me in to watching the whole game  :uhoh Why did TN VOLS fire Butch again?  :furious SO WHAT IF  Pruitt was on staff under Nick Saban! Can you say...unprepared for the "Lime Light"?  :furious This has me thinking, that T. Martin(Vol's Hero) and Jim Chaney(Ole Smokey Slayer of recent) was nothing more that a Shield...It aint me...I inherited this mess? SECOND YEAR MAN! WTF you guys do all Spring and Summer? Fairly certain that Doyle HS could kick their ass!  :cry
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 08, 2019, 08:34:26 AM
IKR? They suckered me in to watching the whole game  :uhoh Why did TN VOLS fire Butch again?  :furious SO WHAT IF  Pruitt was on staff under Nick Saban! Can you say...unprepared for the "Lime Light"?  :furious This has me thinking, that T. Martin(Vol's Hero) and Jim Chaney(Ole Smokey Slayer of recent) was nothing more that a Shield...It aint me...I inherited this mess? SECOND YEAR MAN! WTF you guys do all Spring and Summer? Fairly certain that Doyle HS could kick their ass!  :cry

I don't about Doyle, but I would be interested to see Knox Catholic, Maryville, Alcoa, and Knox Central play them in practice. Anyway, NFL today may be better?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on September 08, 2019, 11:21:04 AM
Saw the last quarter of the Colorado game. Outstanding quarter and a heck of a lot of scoring on both sides. Then watched the entire TX longhorns LSU game. Had mixed feelings about the teams as I have interest in both states. Live in TX a bit south of Austin and have grasndkids (a BUNCH ofem) in Louisiana and folks in the boot state do love their LSU. Good game, both teams have gifted quarterbacks and they played with decent sportsmanship.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 08, 2019, 12:41:15 PM
Purdue beat a trash-talking SEC team in Vanderbilt.  Funny how the trash talking ceased by the second half when it became clear they weren't winning that game.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 08, 2019, 05:15:42 PM
The loss against BYU cemented my opinion about JG at QB. Kid has to be benched. The coaches are doing the best they can with what they have. Donít start on the coaches. Get a solid QB and another Recruiting class and we are good to go imo.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 08, 2019, 07:37:02 PM
The loss against BYU cemented my opinion about JG at QB. Kid has to be benched. The coaches are doing the best they can with what they have. Donít start on the coaches. Get a solid QB and another Recruiting class and we are good to go imo.
Good point :salute I was a bit angry :furious Bourbon may have been an issue as well :D I will hang with them..no where else to go lol :rock
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on September 08, 2019, 11:15:47 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 09, 2019, 11:45:45 AM
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GTFO
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 09, 2019, 11:47:06 AM
The loss against BYU cemented my opinion about JG at QB. Kid has to be benched. The coaches are doing the best they can with what they have. Donít start on the coaches. Get a solid QB and another Recruiting class and we are good to go imo.

Another recruiting season? How many great recruiting seasons do we need before winning anything? While Guarantano may not be the best QB, it is very unfair to not lay any blame on the coaching staff. You know, there is not one SEC school that should ever lose a football game to Georgia State. That kind of loss is an all-involved blame game, I will give you that. The BYU game can harbor differing opinions. Either way, I am not watching another game this season unless it just happens to be on in front of me. I almost bought Homecoming tickets this year, too. Bunch of bums.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 09, 2019, 12:50:08 PM
Can we have Aubrey Solomon back?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on September 09, 2019, 03:15:17 PM
Once again... WAR EAGLE !
I suspect this may be the last time I can say it this
year  :pray
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 09, 2019, 04:24:40 PM
My Aggies were not up to the task....  :(
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 09, 2019, 09:27:14 PM
Another recruiting season? How many great recruiting seasons do we need before winning anything? While Guarantano may not be the best QB, it is very unfair to not lay any blame on the coaching staff. You know, there is not one SEC school that should ever lose a football game to Georgia State. That kind of loss is an all-involved blame game, I will give you that. The BYU game can harbor differing opinions. Either way, I am not watching another game this season unless it just happens to be on in front of me. I almost bought Homecoming tickets this year, too. Bunch of bums.

You have to see it through their eyes. You can’t call plays like Alabama with talent like we have. We are very very basic right now because we have to be. I didn’t see much wrong on the coaching side minus the last drive we had. I personally would have tried for a first down. But they chose to call 3 run plays. Which isn’t bad statistically because of how dominant our run game was. If we had a elite QB in that game he would have scored 4 tds. You just watch if we bench JG how the turn around will be. It’s pruitts second year. Get off his back. Takes 3-4 recruiting cycles to get the guys you want. His first class is literally all freshman right now. 18 year olds lol. And he wants to redshirt as many as he can.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 10, 2019, 01:24:17 AM
My Aggies were not up to the task....  :(

I was pulling for them!  Clemson is so loaded, though, I think it will be hard even for Alabama when they probably meet for the championship.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 10, 2019, 02:43:18 AM
You have to see it through their eyes. You canít call plays like Alabama with talent like we have. We are very very basic right now because we have to be. I didnít see much wrong on the coaching side minus the last drive we had. I personally would have tried for a first down. But they chose to call 3 run plays. Which isnít bad statistically because of how dominant our run game was. If we had a elite QB in that game he would have scored 4 tds. You just watch if we bench JG how the turn around will be. Itís pruitts second year. Get off his back. Takes 3-4 recruiting cycles to get the guys you want. His first class is literally all freshman right now. 18 year olds lol. And he wants to redshirt as many as he can.
Cant really argue any thing you guys(you and Perd) have stated. That being said...I still ask "Why did Butch get fired again?" Injuries, more than any thing else hurt his season..IMHO. Firing him ranks right up there with Firing one of the winning est coaches in record(Fulmer).  You do realize... we may still beat Bama...we pull some of the wall watermelon in those games ..No Wont be holding my breath....as Blue/Purple doesnt look good on me...lol A guy can dream though :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 10, 2019, 07:22:26 AM
Butch was fired because he was a bad on field coach. Very poor adjustments terrible clock management. Lack of his own players skill (Alvin K) for example. Butch went to Texas and put up 700 yards of offense and lost with more than 5 turnovers. Great recruiter. Terrible at developing. We gave him more than 4 years before calling for his head. Iíve been to over 20 games in the last couple years including away ones Iíve seen it all first hand. Heís got us in the right direction. Just needs to bench this sorry QB
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on September 10, 2019, 08:28:48 PM
Once again... WAR EAGLE !
I suspect this may be the last time I can say it this
year  :pray

Keep winning.  Our game in Gainesville is setting up to be a doozy. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 15, 2019, 12:29:54 AM
 :rock Whooo we didnt get beat by UTC! Fla. had trouble with KY...and BYU beat 24USC! MAYBE we got a chance :pray Not gonna hold my breathe...though :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 15, 2019, 12:16:55 PM


Aggies play Auburn next week. That should be a pretty good game.
Aggies better play better than the last 2 weeks.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on September 15, 2019, 07:31:26 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 18, 2019, 01:56:00 AM
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FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU! Oopps sorry...my Vols cant beat Alabama...fired up my "turrets syndrome"! So yeah...massive wordie derds where in effect! LOL
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 19, 2019, 03:18:17 PM
FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUU! Oopps sorry...my Vols cant beat Alabama...fired up my "turrets syndrome"! So yeah...massive wordie derds where in effect! LOL

It’s all good. Alabama sucks. Most of the fans like their cousins.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 21, 2019, 02:10:01 PM
So um... Wisconsin is not this good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on September 21, 2019, 02:10:55 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 22, 2019, 12:44:42 AM
Alas, my beloved Wolverines have been defeated.

<S> to Wisconsin -- they played a great game.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on September 22, 2019, 08:23:28 AM
Alas, my beloved Wolverines have been defeated.

<S> to Wisconsin -- they played a great game.


Time for a new coach.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 22, 2019, 08:28:01 PM

Time for a new coach.

That would be a bad move for Michigan.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: donna43 on September 23, 2019, 05:08:31 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on September 27, 2019, 05:18:24 PM
You want the log cut in 1 1/4" slices. Or bull dung.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on September 28, 2019, 01:39:08 PM
That would be a bad move for Michigan.

After that game what will they loose.

I thought this would be the year they beat tOSU.  Doesnít look like it now.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on September 28, 2019, 09:57:40 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 29, 2019, 12:47:00 AM
After that game what will they loose.

I thought this would be the year they beat tOSU.  Doesnít look like it now.

Maybe.  But, in 2016, Penn State looked bad at the beginning of the year.  They lost to unranked Pitt, then they got obliterated by Michigan 49-10.  After that, they barely won in overtime to unranked Minnesota.  Then beat unranked Maryland.  Then they beat #2 ranked Ohio State, and went on to win the Big 10 Championship.  The was the year that Gattis (Michigan's new offensive coordinator) was a coach at Penn State.  Things looked bad, but there is still time.  I'm not saying I'm sure of it -- just that the future isn't fully determined yet, in my view.

Also, even with a year that isn't the greatest, I still think that Harbaugh is a good coach.  He has one of the better records so far compared to all other Michigan head coaches.  I want Michigan to beat Ohio State, but I also don't want to see coach musical chairs and spend another decade with coaching chaos and bad seasons, which is common for schools that are casting about for different coaching.  Michigan got a taste of that with Rich Rod and Hoke.  The recent history of Texas, USC, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Florida State, and Nebraska is an indication of what we have to lose.

Also, two handicaps Michigan has vs. some other schools is that Michigan requires more academically, and it does not facilitate bag-man action.  The academic part isn't changing.  The bag-man part might change drastically in the near future if more states allow players to profit from likeness, forcing the NCAA to allow it.  Allow that, and you have a completely unstoppable legal route for boosters to pay players, including at Michigan.

Michigan's alumni base is huge, loyal, replete with wealthy individuals, and LOVES Wolverine football.  Unshackle the Michigan money cannon, and we might see Michigan's recruiting classes routinely inside the top 5.  That possibility would be derailed during a process of coach musical chairs.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on September 29, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
I was really disappointed last night. The only game I could find was the Ohio vs Nebraska game. I shut it off before the first half was done. I enjoy a good close game and that was a simple blowout rout from the beginning.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 29, 2019, 11:32:54 AM
Tennessee didn't lose, so that's good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 29, 2019, 04:44:39 PM
I was really disappointed last night. The only game I could find was the Ohio vs Nebraska game. I shut it off before the first half was done. I enjoy a good close game and that was a simple blowout rout from the beginning.

Yeah, there are lots of wildly uneven matchups these days.  Surprisingly, Clemson vs. UNC ended up going down to the wire.  Michigan State vs. Indiana was good to the end.  Washington vs. USC was decent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 29, 2019, 10:45:53 PM
UF v AU going to be a great one next week! I like Trask better than original starter. Broke a completion record already. AU has a decent red shirt freshman QB. Both 4-0. GOOOO GATORS!!

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 30, 2019, 12:51:32 AM
My daughter loves alligators and therefore loves the Gators.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on September 30, 2019, 06:07:44 AM
UF v AU going to be a great one next week! I like Trask better than original starter. Broke a completion record already. AU has a decent red shirt freshman QB. Both 4-0. GOOOO GATORS!!

We better get some kind of running game going or we might be in for a long day.  I agree though, Trask looks like the real deal.  We get a few starters back also, so that'll help the cause some.  Big game.   
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 10, 2019, 03:15:41 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: puller on October 10, 2019, 07:19:25 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 12, 2019, 07:08:42 PM
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 :cheers:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 12, 2019, 08:40:35 PM
IMAGINE having recruiting cycles like Georgia has and letting SC march into your stadium and beat you in doubt OT.

Also they havenít won a natty LOL
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 12, 2019, 10:21:58 PM
This florida vs lsu game is very good. Those Lsu guys are just too damn big though.

IMAGINE having recruiting cycles like Georgia has and letting SC march into your stadium and beat you in doubt OT.

Also they havenít won a natty LOL

This has been a terrible week for Atlanta and GA all together...


Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 13, 2019, 09:21:23 PM
Tough break for the Braves. Itís been the Yankees playoffs to lose anyway. They are just to good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2019, 06:21:55 AM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2019, 04:47:25 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 20, 2019, 11:02:29 PM
Bama 35
Tenn.  13


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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on October 21, 2019, 02:59:45 AM
Tough break for the Braves. Itís been the Yankees playoffs to lose anyway. They are just to good.
and the Yankees lost.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 21, 2019, 03:12:02 AM
My beloved Wolverines lost a heart breaker at Penn State, but it sure was an exciting game.

I'm looking forward greatly to Michigan vs. Notre Dame on Saturday.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 21, 2019, 06:28:18 PM
and the Yankees lost.

And Iím happy
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on October 22, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
and the Yankees lost.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmx-gG-lrow
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on October 22, 2019, 10:37:55 AM
The Baylor game was pretty good, especially the last quarter. The Michigan game, not so much. Dunno about Harbaugh, not doing so well in college it seems. Silly decision on end of game time outs. Heartbreaker for the kid who dropped the pass in the endzone. Gotta be a real killer for a freshman to know he lost the game for the team.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 22, 2019, 01:46:45 PM
The Baylor game was pretty good, especially the last quarter. The Michigan game, not so much.

Playing in one of the toughest (if not the toughest) away environments, against an undefeated #7 team, charging back from a large deficit, and having the game come down in the last 1.5 minutes to 4th and goal from the 1 yard line, and having a pass that was very nearly the tying touchdown?  College Game Day got its money's worth on excitement in the Michigan/Penn State game.

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Dunno about Harbaugh, not doing so well in college it seems.

I see the opposite.

Not Harbaugh:
2008 3-9
2009 5-7
2010 7-6
2011 11-2 <-- the top season
2012 8-5 <-- 2nd best season
2013 7-6
2014 5-7

Harbaugh:
2015 10-3
2016 10-3 <-- one 3-point loss to #2 ranked OSU in double overtime on a controversial call, one 1-point loss to #11 ranked FSU in Orange Bowl, one 1-point loss to Iowa
2017 8-5 <-- Harbaugh's worst season was equal to previous group's 2nd-best season
2018 10-3

Yep, hasn't gone to the CFP, etc., so can get better -- but that is a 4-year record in the top 10, playing schedules much harder than a lot of other schools:

Clemson: 55-4
Alabama: 55-4
Ohio State:  48-6
Oklahoma: 46-8
Georgia:  42-13
Wisconsin:  42-12
Washington:  39-15
Michigan:  38-14
Penn State:  38-15
LSU:  36-14
Notre Dame:  36-15
Auburn:  33-20
Florida:  33-18
Texas:  27-24

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Silly decision on end of game time outs.

Time outs were insignificant compared to several other bad calls and mistakes.  There is room for improvement for sure, but lots of good things during the game, too.

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Heartbreaker for the kid who dropped the pass in the endzone.

Yep.  He's a great player, though, and I think he will end up being a star on the team.  His future is bright.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 26, 2019, 09:19:01 PM
Good job Mack Jones !!!!!!




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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 26, 2019, 11:54:20 PM
Congratulations, Alabama won a football game.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 27, 2019, 01:53:16 AM
My beloved Wolverines got some revenge on Notre Dame for last year's loss.  Go Blue!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on October 27, 2019, 06:34:44 AM
Congratulations, Alabama won a football game.
No need for sarcasm. Not about Bama winning the game, it's about answering the question of whether Jones could step into Tua's shoes. And could he lead.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 27, 2019, 07:38:42 AM
No need for sarcasm. Not about Bama winning the game, it's about answering the question of whether Jones could step into Tua's shoes. And could he lead.

My brother I could enroll at Alabama and play QB behind 5 stars. Itís not hard to hand the ball off. Swing passes are also my specialty.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 27, 2019, 12:01:50 PM
No need for sarcasm. Not about Bama winning the game, it's about answering the question of whether Jones could step into Tua's shoes. And could he lead.

You're kidding right?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 27, 2019, 05:50:12 PM
Glad to see Michigan beat ND. ND is an independent and gets to pick their own schedule. They are always ranked higher than they should be.

 :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on October 27, 2019, 06:10:24 PM
You're kidding right?
Not saying Jones is as good as Tua. Clearly he is not. But some were worried Bama might stumble without Tua leading them. That's all I was trying to address.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 28, 2019, 07:10:21 AM
Not saying Jones is as good as Tua. Clearly he is not. But some were worried Bama might stumble without Tua leading them. That's all I was trying to address.

Well you played Arkansas...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on October 28, 2019, 08:58:21 AM
Well you played Arkansas...

 ..true...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on October 28, 2019, 12:00:36 PM
Buckeyes doing alright.  Was rooting for Michigan all the way last night.  Good to see them beat ND.  A good Michigan team makes the BIG look even better.  Last year ND made the playoffs, ended up out of the top 4 and last ranking of the year Buckeyes were number 3.  This years Buckeyes much better then last years version.  Best balanced FB team in the NCAA this year.  Several Heisman Candidates on the team.  Including the best D Lineman in the country.  He put on a show against Wisconsin.  All the Buckeyes do is win, and win big.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on October 28, 2019, 02:43:53 PM
Congratulations, Alabama won a football game.

I'm guessing sarcasm?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 28, 2019, 05:11:10 PM
I'm guessing sarcasm?


You got it pal.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 28, 2019, 05:12:06 PM
Imagine thinking the color crimson looks good. Or better yet rooting for laundry detergent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on October 28, 2019, 05:43:22 PM
Imagine thinking the color crimson looks good. Or better yet rooting for laundry detergent.

Crimson is a lovely color, imo, and The Crimson Tide football team has been around a lot longer than the detergent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on October 28, 2019, 08:44:14 PM
Buckeyes doing alright.  Was rooting for Michigan all the way last night.  Good to see them beat ND.  A good Michigan team makes the BIG look even better.  Last year ND made the playoffs, ended up out of the top 4 and last ranking of the year Buckeyes were number 3.  This years Buckeyes much better then last years version.  Best balanced FB team in the NCAA this year.  Several Heisman Candidates on the team.  Including the best D Lineman in the country.  He put on a show against Wisconsin.  All the Buckeyes do is win, and win big.

I thought surly Wisconsin will challenge the buckeyes.....at least they did the the first half. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 28, 2019, 09:06:28 PM
Not saying Jones is as good as Tua. Clearly he is not. But some were worried Bama might stumble without Tua leading them. That's all I was trying to address.

Bama might stumble...there's a phrase to remember. In which lifetime might they stumble? I appreciate your humility, but come on man.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 28, 2019, 09:46:59 PM
Buckeyes doing alright.  Was rooting for Michigan all the way last night.  Good to see them beat ND.  A good Michigan team makes the BIG look even better.  Last year ND made the playoffs, ended up out of the top 4 and last ranking of the year Buckeyes were number 3.  This years Buckeyes much better then last years version.  Best balanced FB team in the NCAA this year.  Several Heisman Candidates on the team.  Including the best D Lineman in the country.  He put on a show against Wisconsin.  All the Buckeyes do is win, and win big.

<S>, Hajo!

Ohio State is looking awesome this year.  And they don't have the schedule of Clemson in the ACC (All Creampuffs Conference).

I'm hoping my beloved Wolverines can give Ohio State a good challenge.  It was a rocky start to the year, but perhaps things are coming together.  We'll see!  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on October 28, 2019, 10:03:41 PM
Bama might stumble...there's a phrase to remember. In which lifetime might they stumble? I appreciate your humility, but come on man.

Ha, no pun was intended.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on October 29, 2019, 05:48:36 PM
<S>, Hajo!

Ohio State is looking awesome this year.  And they don't have the schedule of Clemson in the ACC (All Creampuffs Conference).

I'm hoping my beloved Wolverines can give Ohio State a good challenge.  It was a rocky start to the year, but perhaps things are coming together.  We'll see!  :aok

<S>! Brooke!

Having Michigan as an FBS power make's even a Buckeye Fan happy.  Brooke when OSU and Michigan play everything goes out the window.  Watching the game as most do in the US, considering it has been voted the biggest rivalry in FBS Football for decades, makes everyone interested.  I hope the Wolverines continue to win.  It's just old school BIG Conference football steeped in a rich tradition.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Oldman731 on October 29, 2019, 06:47:20 PM
Brooke when OSU and Michigan play everything goes out the window.

And how.  Only real campus riot I was ever involved with was after the 1975 OSU-Michigan homecoming game (in Columbus that year).  Helicopters, tear gas, and a line of police chasing the hapless Oldman down 11th Avenue.

Those people are nuts.

- oldman
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 29, 2019, 07:14:55 PM
I chuckle when non SEC teams talk about scheduling.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 29, 2019, 11:11:29 PM
And how.  Only real campus riot I was ever involved with was after the 1975 OSU-Michigan homecoming game (in Columbus that year).  Helicopters, tear gas, and a line of police chasing the hapless Oldman down 11th Avenue.

Those people are nuts.

- oldman

Jeez, Oldman -- what did you do to start such a ruckus?  ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 12:14:19 AM
non SEC teams talk about scheduling

Alabama's schedule:
    Duke (currently 4-4)
    New Mexico State (currently 0-8)
    South Carolina (currently 3-5)
    Southern Mississippi (currently 5-3)
    Ole Miss (currently 3-5)
    #24 Texas A&M (currently 5-3)
    Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Arkansas (currently 2-6)
    #1 LSU (currently 8-0)
    Mississippi State (currently 3-5)
    Western Carolina (currently 1-7)
    #11 Auburn (currently 6-2)

Two top-15 teams, one of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  7 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

That is tough compared to Clemson's ACC (All Creampuff Conference) schedule.

Michigan's schedule:
    Middle Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Army (currently 3-5)
    #13 Wisconsin (currently 6-2)
    Rutgers (currently 2-6)
    #14 Iowa (currently 6-2)
    Illinois (currently 4-4)
    #7 Penn State (currently 8-0)
    #8 Notre Dame (currently 5-2)
    Maryland (currently 3-5)
    Michigan State (currently 4-4)
    Indiana (currently 6-2)
    #3 Ohio State (currently 8-0)

5 top-15 teams, four of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  4 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

The Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 25.  The SEC has 5.

The Big 10 plays 9 in-conference games and 3 out.  Michigan's were Middle Tennessee State (2018 C-USA east champs), Army (11-2  in 2018 and creamed Houston in bowl game), and Notre Dame (2018 CFP team).  The SEC plays 8 in-conference games and 4 out.  Alabama's were Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Mississippi, and Western Carolina.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 12:17:14 AM
<S>! Brooke!

Having Michigan as an FBS power make's even a Buckeye Fan happy.  Brooke when OSU and Michigan play everything goes out the window.  Watching the game as most do in the US, considering it has been voted the biggest rivalry in FBS Football for decades, makes everyone interested.  I hope the Wolverines continue to win.  It's just old school BIG Conference football steeped in a rich tradition.

I love The Game.  It is the best!  :aok  (Although, I didn't love it quite as much in 2018.  :uhoh )
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 30, 2019, 07:05:51 AM
Alabama's schedule:
    Duke (currently 4-4)
    New Mexico State (currently 0-8)
    South Carolina (currently 3-5)
    Southern Mississippi (currently 5-3)
    Ole Miss (currently 3-5)
    #24 Texas A&M (currently 5-3)
    Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Arkansas (currently 2-6)
    #1 LSU (currently 8-0)
    Mississippi State (currently 3-5)
    Western Carolina (currently 1-7)
    #11 Auburn (currently 6-2)

Two top-15 teams, one of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  7 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

That is tough compared to Clemson's ACC (All Creampuff Conference) schedule.

Michigan's schedule:
    Middle Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Army (currently 3-5)
    #13 Wisconsin (currently 6-2)
    Rutgers (currently 2-6)
    #14 Iowa (currently 6-2)
    Illinois (currently 4-4)
    #7 Penn State (currently 8-0)
    #8 Notre Dame (currently 5-2)
    Maryland (currently 3-5)
    Michigan State (currently 4-4)
    Indiana (currently 6-2)
    #3 Ohio State (currently 8-0)

5 top-15 teams, four of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  4 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

The Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 25.  The SEC has 5.

The Big 10 plays 9 in-conference games and 3 out.  Michigan's were Middle Tennessee State (2018 C-USA east champs), Army (11-2  in 2018 and creamed Houston in bowl game), and Notre Dame (2018 CFP team).  The SEC plays 8 in-conference games and 4 out.  Alabama's were Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Mississippi, and Western Carolina.

Cmon you gotta pick someone besides bama. We all know they donít play anyone. I was mainly referring to people like TN. Past few years weíve had the hardest SoS
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 30, 2019, 07:56:42 AM

    Army (currently 3-5)
   

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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 30, 2019, 11:13:34 AM
Alabama's schedule:
    Duke (currently 4-4)
    New Mexico State (currently 0-8)
    South Carolina (currently 3-5)
    Southern Mississippi (currently 5-3)
    Ole Miss (currently 3-5)
    #24 Texas A&M (currently 5-3)
    Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Arkansas (currently 2-6)
    #1 LSU (currently 8-0)
    Mississippi State (currently 3-5)
    Western Carolina (currently 1-7)
    #11 Auburn (currently 6-2)

Two top-15 teams, one of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  7 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

That is tough compared to Clemson's ACC (All Creampuff Conference) schedule.

Michigan's schedule:
    Middle Tennessee (currently 3-5)
    Army (currently 3-5)
    #13 Wisconsin (currently 6-2)
    Rutgers (currently 2-6)
    #14 Iowa (currently 6-2)
    Illinois (currently 4-4)
    #7 Penn State (currently 8-0)
    #8 Notre Dame (currently 5-2)
    Maryland (currently 3-5)
    Michigan State (currently 4-4)
    Indiana (currently 6-2)
    #3 Ohio State (currently 8-0)

5 top-15 teams, four of them undefeated currently or at time of play.  4 opponents with record worse than 4-4.

The Big 10 has 6 teams in the top 25.  The SEC has 5.

The Big 10 plays 9 in-conference games and 3 out.  Michigan's were Middle Tennessee State (2018 C-USA east champs), Army (11-2  in 2018 and creamed Houston in bowl game), and Notre Dame (2018 CFP team).  The SEC plays 8 in-conference games and 4 out.  Alabama's were Duke, New Mexico State, Southern Mississippi, and Western Carolina.

A&M played 2 number 1 teams this year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 02:00:13 PM
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Awesome!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 02:22:44 PM
2019 strength of schedule

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings/_/year/2019/sort/sosRemainingRank/order/false/key/20190902040000

Using week 1 data

Big 10:  5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 21, 24, 26,27, 29, 32, 41, 42, 46.  Avg = 24

SEC:  3, 9, 12, 14, 16, 18, 19, 20, 23, 34, 38, 39, 45, 48.  Avg = 24

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 30, 2019, 02:35:11 PM
Can we all agree that ND should be in a conference and that they are indeed overrated?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 02:39:35 PM
By way of comparison, Clemson's strength of schedule in the All Creampuff Conference is #50.

Oklahoma, #49

Oregon, #56

Utah, #53

Baylor, #61

The SEC and Big 10 both are vastly harder conferences.  It's not just the SEC, you SEC partisans.  :aok

This is why Urban Meyer says it is crap how the CFP committee handles strength of schedule.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 02:57:38 PM
Can we all agree that ND should be in a conference and that they are indeed overrated?

Compared to what?

Overrated at #10 after they lost by 1 touchdown to Georgia?

Overrated compared to Utah, Baylor, SMU?

Or overrated at #16 only after Michigan clobbered them in a monsoon?

Notre Dame lost to Georgia and Michigan.

Oklahoma (with weak schedule) lost to unranked Kansas State and is still #10.

Utah (with its weak schedule) lost to unranked USC and is still #9.  (Notre Dame beat USC.)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on October 30, 2019, 03:37:39 PM
 ND should join a conference. I doubt they ever will because it would make their schedule much more difficult.
 
I also think the SEC should start playing the Pac 12 teams on a regular basis. Pac 12 teams are always over rated 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 30, 2019, 04:42:39 PM
"Dear @NDFootball, we need to take a break. Weíve been doing this for a while now and we need our space. Weíre glad we could end on good terms, thank you for not being defensive. Letís keep in touch and maybe weíll try again in 14 years if youíre still independent. 👋

    ó Michigan Athletics (@UMichAthletics) October 27, 2019"

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 31, 2019, 10:06:47 AM
ND gets their bellybutton handed to them every year if they make it to the playoffs lol
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 31, 2019, 02:04:02 PM
ND gets their bellybutton handed to them every year if they make it to the playoffs lol

True.  When I used to do a confidence pool for bowl games, max points on ND to lose was always the first thing I wrote down. Because they're overrated they get a terrible matchup for them just about every year. I don't even think its good for ND as a program to be always so overrated as they are, losing bowl games isn't good for the health of your program, although getting the bowl game payout is :/ .
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 31, 2019, 02:05:20 PM
As far as joining a conference, ND won't as long as they have their own television contract.  Blame NBC.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 31, 2019, 02:17:32 PM
ND gets their bellybutton handed to them every year if they make it to the playoffs lol

They got stomped, but it's not just them.  The team getting stomped is (other than 2015) usually any team playing Clemson or Alabama.

2015:  Oregon stomped FSU; Ohio State stomped Oregon.  <--- the outlier
2016:  Clemson stomped Oklahoma; Alabama stomped Michigan State.
2017:  Clemson stomped Ohio State; Alabama stomped Washington.
2018:  Alabama stomped Clemson.
2019:  Clemson stomped Notre Dame; Clemson stomped Alabama.

But yes, rankings are not the best measure of how good a team is because rankings are based mainly on record and not much on anything else (such as strength of schedule, "eye test", etc.) regardless what the CFP committee says.  Things other than record matter mainly when two teams have the same record, and the other things are used as a tie breaker.

I'd like a rankings system based on more than record -- some sort of Elo system or math-based system that significantly takes into account opponents and game scores.

That's what SP+ and FPI do, but they are complicated models.

I'm sure there's something simpler that would get us most of the way there and be a great improvement over ranking based nearly only on record.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on November 02, 2019, 12:55:35 PM
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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 02, 2019, 10:01:29 PM
"World's Largest Outdoor Cocktail Party"


It would be more great if they played some Rush.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on November 04, 2019, 09:09:16 AM
It would be more great if they played some Rush.

Disappointing loss, but not too surprising.  Until we get some more beef up front we're not going to be a playoff contender.  Unfortunately, we don't have the bagmen Bama does to help stockpile those players.     

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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on November 04, 2019, 09:25:00 AM

I think this was bought and paid for by Mano.  Couldn't talk him into the Tesla, huh?

(https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/002/892/230/ca5b591c7723cc9c25d3138b5c182c2f_crop_north.jpg?1400005336&w=630&h=420)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 05, 2019, 12:13:02 AM
Bagmen are a conspiracy theory.  Those players got that cash and those cars as birthday presents from Grandma.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 06, 2019, 07:14:57 AM
LSU got the shaft in the CFP poll. Hopefully they will factor SoS next year. Who knows.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on November 06, 2019, 10:59:36 AM
Bagmen are a conspiracy theory.  Those players got that cash and those cars as birthday presents from Grandma.

I know you are being sarcastic but as one who worked the university area and stopped quite a few athletes because they were driving stupid I found just about all of them driving cars that did not belong to them or family and came back to alumni. They were driving them wearing a lot of "bling" as well and had no means of support (ie no job outside of football / basketball/ baseball).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 06, 2019, 01:02:15 PM
Yep, it is quite overt at many colleges.

I'll be interested to see how things go with the upcoming rules regarding ability to profit from name and likeness.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 06, 2019, 01:13:57 PM
LSU got the shaft in the CFP poll. Hopefully they will factor SoS next year. Who knows.

I don't think it matters much if LSU is #1 or #2 currently.  A lot depends on the Alabama game.

They did factor in SoS a little in picking Clemson to be #5 and Penn State at #4.

Like you, I would prefer much more strongly factoring in SoS, maybe with an Elo-like ranking system.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 06, 2019, 01:52:04 PM
Yep, it is quite overt at many colleges.

I'll be interested to see how things go with the upcoming rules regarding ability to profit from name and likeness.

Looks like any schools in kalifornia wishing to break NCAA rules will be out in the cold.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 06, 2019, 02:33:07 PM
Don't sweat the rankings as they are now. They mean nothing.  Many games to be played before the 4 participants will be named.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 07, 2019, 12:07:43 AM
NCAA has already announced that it will be changing its rules to allow players to profit from name and likeness.

There is no way the NCAA could refuse to do that, with California passing a law about it, other states saying they would pass similar laws, and Senators saying that they would make it happen.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 07, 2019, 07:27:37 AM
What a can of worms that opens up. To follow a state like kalifornia is insane.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on November 07, 2019, 08:13:09 AM
California is the nation's capital, really. They seem to always be leading on important issues. The 49 states and especially DC lack in comparison.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 07, 2019, 10:06:03 AM
California is the nation's capital, really. They seem to always be leading on important issues. The 49 states and especially DC lack in comparison.

ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 07, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
NCAA has already announced that it will be changing its rules to allow players to profit from name and likeness.

There is no way the NCAA could refuse to do that, with California passing a law about it, other states saying they would pass similar laws, and Senators saying that they would make it happen.

It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

Realistically it is a good move, the schools already profit enough, no reason why they should take 100% of the profit from stars making the programs very good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 07, 2019, 11:46:18 AM
Realistically it is a good move, the schools already profit enough, no reason why they should take 100% of the profit from stars making the programs very good.
That is what supports the school and other sports at those schools. Get ready for lesser sports to fall off the roster if this happens. Also get ready to be supporting more schools with your taxes.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 07, 2019, 01:41:10 PM
California is the nation's capital, really. They seem to always be leading on important issues. The 49 states and especially DC lack in comparison.

Hot damn. You smoke one of those left handed cigs before saying something that ignorant? 

You prolly want the electoral college gone too?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 08, 2019, 01:10:53 AM
The new NCAA rules are not profit sharing -- i.e., schools will not be paying players some portion of school revenue.

What it does is remove a restriction so that players can get paid for use of their names and likenesses.

For example, if EA Sports restarts the NCAA Football game, and puts players' likenesses and names in, they would be able to pay players money for that.  Also, presumably, players could be paid for endorsements and autographed items.

Those payments would likely nearly all be coming from sources outside the school.

The NCAA wants to try to keep this from being a way for boosters to pay players to attend a particular school.  It will be interesting to see how they try to prevent that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 08, 2019, 06:55:31 AM
College football will become pay to win recruiting. Not a good idea IMO
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 08, 2019, 08:45:08 AM
The new NCAA rules are not profit sharing -- i.e., schools will not be paying players some portion of school revenue.

What it does is remove a restriction so that players can get paid for use of their names and likenesses.

For example, if EA Sports restarts the NCAA Football game, and puts players' likenesses and names in, they would be able to pay players money for that.  Also, presumably, players could be paid for endorsements and autographed items.

Those payments would likely nearly all be coming from sources outside the school.

The NCAA wants to try to keep this from being a way for boosters to pay players to attend a particular school.  It will be interesting to see how they try to prevent that.
Stuff like the EA Sports games are understandable - my question is where does this fall with the likes of jersey sales, for example big stars like Saquon Barkley or Zion Williamson? In the NFL the majority of the money goes to the player. I hope it will be similar in NCAA?

I agree though, it is a slippery slope.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 08, 2019, 09:03:53 AM
College football will become pay to win recruiting. Not a good idea IMO

Pro football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 08, 2019, 10:07:00 AM
Pro football.

Yup. I think we agree on the subject. Itís a bad idea to pay college kids.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on November 08, 2019, 04:10:49 PM
I live in CA. It is going downhill fast. Lots of friends and neighbors have moved to other states to escape the taxes.
We have the highest gas tax and the worst roads in the nation. Fees and regulations are making
many companies consider moving to another state......at least the ones that have not moved yet.
CA has to lead the nation in sheer numbers of govt employees.

How Pac 12's teams become nationally ranked mystifies me. They always lose in a bowl game with a nationally ranked
team.

<S>
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 08, 2019, 09:07:40 PM
Stuff like the EA Sports games are understandable - my question is where does this fall with the likes of jersey sales, for example big stars like Saquon Barkley or Zion Williamson? In the NFL the majority of the money goes to the player. I hope it will be similar in NCAA?

I think a company wanting to sell autographed jerseys or jerseys with someone's name on them would negotiate a deal involving the player. If the player liked the deal, he'd sign it and get paid according to the deal, and if not, he wouldn't, and the company would not be able to sell those items.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on November 08, 2019, 10:35:26 PM
California is the nation's capital, really. They seem to always be leading on important issues. The 49 states and especially DC lack in comparison.

This IS a joke, right?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 08, 2019, 11:25:39 PM
I think a company wanting to sell autographed jerseys or jerseys with someone's name on them would negotiate a deal involving the player. If the player liked the deal, he'd sign it and get paid according to the deal, and if not, he wouldn't, and the company would not be able to sell those items.

I agree.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: puller on November 08, 2019, 11:59:12 PM
California is the nation's capital, really. They seem to always be leading on important issues. The 49 states and especially DC lack in comparison.

 :rofl :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 09, 2019, 09:36:47 AM
There goes tOSU season.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 09, 2019, 12:38:53 PM
The best team in the country (my VAWLS) have traveled across the border to whip Kensuckys ass.

Kentucky Whiskey taste like crap.  Itís a Jack Daniels kinda day.

Good matchups today down here in the south where the real football is played.

Ohio St playing another cupcake team. IMAGINE
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 09, 2019, 01:25:27 PM
Although we have looked better in recent weeks, I do not have a good feeling about our trip to Lexington tonight.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 09, 2019, 02:01:16 PM
The best team in the country (my VAWLS) have traveled across the border to whip Kensuckys ass.

Kentucky Whiskey taste like crap.  Itís a Jack Daniels kinda day.

Good matchups today down here in the south where the real football is played.

Ohio St playing another cupcake team. IMAGINE

Not tOSU fault that some of the teams in the big 10 are weak.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 09, 2019, 03:20:11 PM
Not tOSU fault that some of the teams in the big 10 are weak.

No worse than the cupcake team's schedule in the SEC outside of the SEC.  ACC a joke but for Clemson.  BIG today, before games started, had 6 out of the top 25 teams in FBS.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 09, 2019, 04:03:47 PM
Not tOSU fault that some of the teams in the big 10 are weak.
They could schedule better. They choose not to.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 09, 2019, 04:55:20 PM
Imagine voting penn state into the top 4 only to have the truth come out today.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 09, 2019, 05:42:54 PM
Imagine voting penn state into the top 4 only to have the truth come out today.

That was funny.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 09, 2019, 06:01:30 PM
They could schedule better. They choose not to.

You are so cute when you try to bashed a team.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 09, 2019, 06:04:30 PM
You are so cute when you try to bashed a team.

Donít try to be. Just being honest. Yíall tune in to the game of the year down here in SEC country. Learn a little something.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 09, 2019, 06:58:27 PM
Donít try to be. Just being honest. Yíall tune in to the game of the year down here in SEC country. Learn a little something.

who?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 09, 2019, 10:02:54 PM
Guarantano completely changed the UT game, very impressed with him tonight.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 09, 2019, 10:36:47 PM
Best 2 teams played and LSU won. Alabama sure made some mistakes early on. Cost them the game.

Not much in the way of defense either way.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 12:20:16 AM
Best 2 teams played and LSU won. Alabama sure made some mistakes early on. Cost them the game.

Not much in the way of defense either way.

Yup. Well said.

Vols played well enough to clinch it. Big D stand at the end. Boy are we turning this season around. Canít wait to be at the vandy game.

Penn state over hyped love it.

Buckeyes donít play anyone per usual and run up 70+. Canít be enjoyable watching that. They will stay 1 because of shear points scored imo.

Sec proves once again to be where the good games are. Why is Clemson ranked outside of 4?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 10, 2019, 09:31:21 AM
Yup. Well said.

Vols played well enough to clinch it. Big D stand at the end. Boy are we turning this season around. Canít wait to be at the vandy game.

Penn state over hyped love it.

Buckeyes donít play anyone per usual and run up 70+. Canít be enjoyable watching that. They will stay 1 because of shear points scored imo.

Sec proves once again to be where the good games are. Why is Clemson ranked outside of 4?

Yea, just like Bama cupcake teams they played.  Best team in college football....HA!

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 10:40:46 AM
Yea, just like Bama cupcake teams they played.  Best team in college football....HA!



Best team would be LSU. Good try twisting words though.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 10, 2019, 11:18:39 AM
Best team would be LSU. Good try twisting words though.

At least I am not chested pumping about team playing cupcake teams......when SEC team just as guilty. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 10, 2019, 11:47:15 AM
At least I am not chested pumping about team playing cupcake teams......when SEC team just as guilty.

A&M has played #1 twice and number 2 once. In a couple of weeks they will play number 1 again for the third time this year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 10, 2019, 12:13:08 PM
A&M has played #1 twice and number 2 once. In a couple of weeks they will play number 1 again for the third time this year.

I didn't know they played Ohio State.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 12:25:14 PM
I didn't know they played Ohio State.
Fake #1.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 10, 2019, 01:34:46 PM
I really don't understand why Ohio St. was #1 - also don't know why PSU was #4.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 01:40:21 PM
I really don't understand why Ohio St. was #1 - also don't know why PSU was #4.

Donít we all.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 10, 2019, 01:48:52 PM
LSU unanimously is no. 1.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 10, 2019, 02:01:44 PM
I think the next rankings will have LSU as #1, OSU as #2, Clemson #3, and (as strongest of the 1-loss teams) Alabama at #4.

By putting Penn State at #4 in the first rankings instead of Clemson, the CFP committee was (I think obviously) sending a message that they do look at strength of schedule.

All of this stuff generally sorts itself out by the end of the season.  Fretting about how the first couple of rankings come out is much wasted hand wringing.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 10, 2019, 02:24:49 PM
Sec proves once again to be where the good games are.

Not really.

In the SEC, some of the games are good, and many are blowouts -- just like in other conferences.

Example, for top-4 teams in SEC, 72% of their games so far were blowouts.
-- For Alabama, 8/9 games were blowouts.
-- For LSU, 7/9 games were blowouts.
-- For Georgia, 6/9 games were blowouts.
-- For Florida, 5/9 games were blowouts.

For the Big 10, it's 67%.  Obviously, not worse than the SEC.
-- For OSU, 9/9.
-- For Penn State, 5/9.
-- For Minn, 4/9.
-- For Wis, 6/9.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 10, 2019, 05:39:39 PM
I really don't understand why Ohio St. was #1 - also don't know why PSU was #4.

Well, if you put effort and look why you would know why PSU was #4, but instead you rather spew out horsecrap because it is not SEC dominate.

Week 1
PSU #15

week 2
PSU #15

week 3
PSU moved up to #13  due to Washington loses to Cal an A@M lost to Clemson. 

week 4
PSU drops to #14 because of Wisconsen big win against #7 Mich

week 5
PSU moved up to #12 because Mich lost to Wincons and #10 Utah lost to USC

week 6
PSU #12

week 7
PSU moves up to # 10 because #7 Aubun lost to #5 LSU

week 8
PSU moves up to #7 because they beat #17 Iowa, #4 UoG lost to SC an #7 FU lost to LSU

Week 9
PSU moves up to #6 because they beat #16 Mich and #6Wisconsin lost to tOSU

Week 10
PSU moves up to #5 because OU lost to KSU

Week 11
PSU #4

week 12
PSU drops to #9 after lost to Minn.


Wow, all make sense to me.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 10, 2019, 07:12:04 PM
I didn't know they played Ohio State.
Ohio state was not number one till voting started. When actual playing counted, the best teams were number one.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 07:51:39 PM
It all works itself out in the end anyway. You can toss the stats around all ya want. Unranked teams in the SEC would still beat several Ranked Big ten teams lol. Especially at home :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 10, 2019, 08:34:38 PM
It all works itself out in the end anyway. You can toss the stats around all ya want. Unranked teams in the SEC would still beat several Ranked Big ten teams lol. Especially at home :)

lol, and you have NOTHING to back it up. 

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 10, 2019, 09:03:31 PM
It all works itself out in the end anyway.

Yep, mostly.

Quote
Unranked teams in the SEC would still beat several Ranked Big ten teams

Nope.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 10, 2019, 09:50:54 PM
Couldnít imagine waking up Saturday and not having QUALITY football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 10, 2019, 10:58:24 PM
Couldnít imagine waking up Saturday and not having QUALITY football.

You are in luck.  Turns out, there are lots of games every Saturday.  That way, you aren't forced into watching Georgia vs. Vanderbilt, or LSU vs. MSST, or Alabama vs. Arkansas.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 11, 2019, 12:04:58 AM
You are in luck.  Turns out, there are lots of games every Saturday.  That way, you aren't forced into watching Georgia vs. Vanderbilt, or LSU vs. MSST, or Alabama vs. Arkansas.

Or OSU v MD, Penn St v Northwestern, Michigan v Rutgers. Every conference has huge teams and cupcakes, but some conferences are stronger as a whole. The SEC is the strongest in the country and has been for a while. That does not mean that every game is close or that every team is good.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 11, 2019, 04:05:08 AM
Or OSU v MD, Penn St v Northwestern, Michigan v Rutgers. Every conference has huge teams and cupcakes,

My point exactly.  (Well, except for ACC.)

Quote
but some conferences are stronger as a whole.

Already went over that, concluding Big 10 and SEC are even:

2019 strength of schedule

http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/teamratings/_/year/2019/sort/sosRemainingRank/order/false/key/20190902040000

Using week 1 data

Big 10:  5, 7, 8, 11, 13, 21, 24, 26,27, 29, 32, 41, 42, 46.  Avg = 24

SEC:  3, 9, 12, 14, 16, 18, 19, 20, 23, 34, 38, 39, 45, 48.  Avg = 24
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 11, 2019, 04:22:44 AM
Or you could go by current rankings (week 12 AP):

Big 10:  2, 7, 9, 14, 15, 23, 24.

SEC:  1, 4, 5, 11, 13.

Or by FPI:

Big 10:  1, 6, 11, 12, 15, 19, 25, 35, 59, 62, 64, 77, 81, 120. median = 30

SEC:  3, 4, 5, 9, 10, 17, 26, 28, 32, 34, 44, 48, 97, 98. median = 27
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 11, 2019, 07:03:52 AM
Or OSU v MD, Penn St v Northwestern, Michigan v Rutgers. Every conference has huge teams and cupcakes, but some conferences are stronger as a whole. The SEC is the strongest in the country and has been for a while. That does not mean that every game is close or that every team is good.

Yup. SEC been the best my entire life.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: APDrone on November 11, 2019, 07:55:48 AM
Bring back the Big 8!!

 :bolt:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 11, 2019, 09:13:11 AM
Count the Nattys baby.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 11, 2019, 09:19:01 AM
Well, if you put effort and look why you would know why PSU was #4, but instead you rather spew out horsecrap because it is not SEC dominate.

Week 1
PSU #15

week 2
PSU #15

week 3
PSU moved up to #13  due to Washington loses to Cal an A@M lost to Clemson. 

week 4
PSU drops to #14 because of Wisconsen big win against #7 Mich

week 5
PSU moved up to #12 because Mich lost to Wincons and #10 Utah lost to USC

week 6
PSU #12

week 7
PSU moves up to # 10 because #7 Aubun lost to #5 LSU

week 8
PSU moves up to #7 because they beat #17 Iowa, #4 UoG lost to SC an #7 FU lost to LSU

Week 9
PSU moves up to #6 because they beat #16 Mich and #6Wisconsin lost to tOSU

Week 10
PSU moves up to #5 because OU lost to KSU

Week 11
PSU #4

week 12
PSU drops to #9 after lost to Minn.


Wow, all make sense to me.
I am not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but I am a PSU fan and not an SEC fan. I am not out to prove why or why not they deserved to be at #4, I said before the Minnesota game they probably shouldn't be that high, and they go out and lose to Minnesota. We have the "any given Saturday" rule, but in general I would say as of last week's rankings there were multiple schools below PSU that would wax them. I think their rank was bloated. But then again, these rankings are just about as useless as NFL power rankings. Also the CFP is dumb.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 11, 2019, 10:58:58 AM
I am not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but I am a PSU fan and not an SEC fan. I am not out to prove why or why not they deserved to be at #4, I said before the Minnesota game they probably shouldn't be that high, and they go out and lose to Minnesota. We have the "any given Saturday" rule, but in general I would say as of last week's rankings there were multiple schools below PSU that would wax them. I think their rank was bloated. But then again, these rankings are just about as useless as NFL power rankings. Also the CFP is dumb.
The playoff was one of the best ideas in college history. They should expand it to make it include 8 teams IMO.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 11, 2019, 11:11:49 AM
The playoff was one of the best ideas in college history. They should expand it to make it include 8 teams IMO.
Yep. I get the want to have an actual 'champion' but the field is way too small. 8 teams would be much better. 5 Power Five champion teams and 3 at-large bids would be better than the current system. Still not perfect, but better.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 11, 2019, 11:55:14 AM
Yep. I get the want to have an actual 'champion' but the field is way too small. 8 teams would be much better. 5 Power Five champion teams and 3 at-large bids would be better than the current system. Still not perfect, but better.

4 was a step in the right direction. If money keeps coming in they ought to go to 8.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 11, 2019, 01:57:25 PM
I am not sure who pissed in your cheerios, but I am a PSU fan and not an SEC fan. I am not out to prove why or why not they deserved to be at #4, I said before the Minnesota game they probably shouldn't be that high, and they go out and lose to Minnesota. We have the "any given Saturday" rule, but in general I would say as of last week's rankings there were multiple schools below PSU that would wax them. I think their rank was bloated. But then again, these rankings are just about as useless as NFL power rankings. Also the CFP is dumb.

Some ppl are confused on why PSU got to #4 so I had to show it.  Would done it with crayons if it helped.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on November 11, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
Being an Auburn fan... Alabama's loss gives us at least
a chance at the SEC championship...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 11, 2019, 05:09:07 PM
Yep. I get the want to have an actual 'champion' but the field is way too small. 8 teams would be much better. 5 Power Five champion teams and 3 at-large bids would be better than the current system. Still not perfect, but better.

Eight would be better, but I do not think this format is best. I say that because I feel that even the champion of one of these Power 5 conferences are not better than up to 4 from other conferences. In most cases, the champion should be invited but not all. If USC goes undefeated in the PAC 12, invite them. But, seriously consider who is best, a champion of a conference who lost 2 games in conference or a Georgia or Auburn with 2 losses to the likes of LSU, Bama, and Florida. That is a tough decision to make and either choice has plenty of criticism. It is not fair for schools like LSU, Bama, Michigan, OSU, Clemson, and FSU to be written out of contention because they lost one game to a school that has been listed already. It is also unfair to exclude an undefeated in conference Oregon.

The best option was no champion, as it was for a very long time. But, that is not the American way...there must be a champion!! If you win your conference, you are automatically placed in a bowl against either an at-large or another conference champion. No one wins 1st place, because we honestly do not know what could have been due to the complications of only having 4 finalists presents.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on November 11, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
It is not fair for schools like LSU, Bama, Michigan, OSU, Clemson, and FSU to be written out of contention because they lost one game to a school that has been listed already.

I assume you meant PSU, not FSU.  As a Gator, I must point that out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 11, 2019, 09:13:30 PM
4 was a step in the right direction. If money keeps coming in they ought to go to 8.

I 100% agree with you on this.

I think it is inevitable that they go to more than 4, since I do think it will be popular with fans, popular with players, popular with coaches, and bring in more money.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 11, 2019, 09:27:40 PM
I 100% agree with you on this.

I think it is inevitable that they go to more than 4, since I do think it will be popular with fans, popular with players, popular with coaches, and bring in more money.

I do like the bowl games though. Still gotta keep those somehow.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 11, 2019, 09:42:48 PM
I 100% agree with you on this.

I think it is inevitable that they go to more than 4, since I do think it will be popular with fans, popular with players, popular with coaches, and bring in more money.

Good to see we agree on something.

Sec still GOAT conference.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 11, 2019, 10:38:44 PM
I do like the bowl games though. Still gotta keep those somehow.

I like bowl games A LOT.  (Man, does it annoy me the folks who say "Bowl games don't matter" -- when they are completely wrong.)

I think of CFP games as bowl games, too, though.

So, if we had an 8-team CFP, instead of a team playing in a New Year's 6 bowl game, they would still play during that time in a bowl game, but against another CFP team.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 12, 2019, 01:36:37 AM
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 12, 2019, 10:04:16 AM
I like bowl games A LOT.  (Man, does it annoy me the folks who say "Bowl games don't matter" -- when they are completely wrong.)

I think of CFP games as bowl games, too, though.

So, if we had an 8-team CFP, instead of a team playing in a New Year's 6 bowl game, they would still play during that time in a bowl game, but against another CFP team.
This.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on November 12, 2019, 03:21:07 PM
This is why I'm now rooting for Minnesota. The more they win the more the system implodes and the quicker we get to an 8 team playoff.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on November 12, 2019, 03:40:12 PM
Lost one game............... to a very good team........... LSU   <S>







(https://media.giphy.com/media/T1pGZhpxMgBKE/giphy.gif)


just might get to play them again in the championship game



 :frown:


Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 12, 2019, 07:15:03 PM
I hate both teams. But who the hell do you put Georgia over bama in the CFP. Georgia lost to SC LOL.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on November 12, 2019, 08:32:05 PM
I hate both teams. But who the hell do you put Georgia over bama in the CFP. Georgia lost to SC LOL.

Almost lost to the gators too  :mad:! Was a damn good solid game there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 12, 2019, 09:21:59 PM
But who the hell do you put Georgia over bama in the CFP. Georgia lost to SC LOL.

That was bizarre.  Alabama should be #4.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 12, 2019, 09:24:00 PM
Lost one game............... to a very good team........... LSU   <S>


I finally watched highlights of it.  Without a couple of uncharacteristic mistakes (especially unforced fumble in red zone), they might have won it.

But both teams looked awesome.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 16, 2019, 08:45:19 PM
That might be the end of Bama season.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 17, 2019, 02:54:21 PM
That might be the end of Bama season.

I'm thinking they will still win all their remaining games.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 17, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
I'm thinking they will still win all their remaining games.

Next week yes but against AU?   How is their backup QB?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 17, 2019, 03:14:19 PM
Next week yes but against AU?   How is their backup QB?

Alabama is so stacked with talent, I think they'll still win.  Alabama's backup QB is Mac Jones.  I don't know much about him.  Bo Nix at Auburn is a highly-rated QB out of high school, but he is a freshman and doesn't have all the wrinkles ironed out yet.

Still, I hear you -- Auburn doesn't suck, and if they play very well while Alabama has a bad day, they could win.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 17, 2019, 04:31:53 PM
Alabama is so stacked with talent, I think they'll still win.  Alabama's backup QB is Mac Jones.  I don't know much about him.  Bo Nix at Auburn is a highly-rated QB out of high school, but he is a freshman and doesn't have all the wrinkles ironed out yet.

Still, I hear you -- Auburn doesn't suck, and if they play very well while Alabama has a bad day, they could win.


Its Saban ego that getting in the way.   He is loosing his touch. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 17, 2019, 04:44:54 PM

Its Saban ego that getting in the way.   He is loosing his touch.

There is criticism that he didn't need Tua in that game that long.

However, Alabama has a weaker schedule than a lot of teams, and with one loss, the only tool they have left to look good to the CFP committee is running up scores as high as possible.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 17, 2019, 06:24:31 PM

Its Saban ego that getting in the way.   He is loosing his touch. 

After the best quality loss you could have. His only chance to get in the playoff is to pull the buckeye move and run the boards.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 17, 2019, 06:54:08 PM
After the best quality loss you could have. His only chance to get in the playoff is to pull the buckeye move and run the boards.

Right, just like Bama, LSU, Georgia, Florida been doing too.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 23, 2019, 01:44:52 PM
Refs doing all they can to ensure Penn state canít get going on offense. Did yíall see that False start on their own goal line? Nuts man.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 23, 2019, 02:33:16 PM
Refs doing all they can to ensure Penn state canít get going on offense. Did yíall see that False start on their own goal line? Nuts man.
Penn State did a lot to make sure they couldn't get going on offense too - they just aren't the team they used to be the last couple years and are still ranked highly for some reason. As a fan they are still fun to watch and the atmosphere in Happy Valley is great, but they didn't stand a chance against Ohio St. lol.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 23, 2019, 02:57:45 PM
Penn State did a lot to make sure they couldn't get going on offense too - they just aren't the team they used to be the last couple years and are still ranked highly for some reason. As a fan they are still fun to watch and the atmosphere in Happy Valley is great, but they didn't stand a chance against Ohio St. lol.

PSU is at a good spot.  They just do not get recognized as much.  Never less, when up against buckeyes you will see a great match.  Lately it better then MICH v tOSU.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 23, 2019, 03:06:09 PM
Go Bucks!  wonder how many All- Americans are on the team.  Answer.........a boatload.  Ohio State didn't play a clean game at all.  3 Fumbles they had to overcome and still won against a good PSU Football Team.  Who's Bama playing??? Another cup cake!  Western Carolina?  Who the hell are they and what conference do they play in?  Bueller?  Bueller?  They played one good opponent and they lost.  Not much to build on to get into the final four.  Big Ten East just may be the toughest division in NCAA Football this year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 23, 2019, 03:12:24 PM
Go Bucks!  wonder how many All- Americans are on the team.  Answer.........a boatload.  Ohio State didn't play a clean game at all.  3 Fumbles they had to overcome and still won against a good PSU Football Team.  Who's Bama playing??? Another cup cake!  Western Carolina?  Who the hell are they and what conference do they play in?  Bueller?  Bueller?  They played one good opponent and they lost.  Not much to build on to get into the final four.  Big Ten East just may be the toughest division in NCAA Football this year.

Not the toughest but one of the strongest.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 23, 2019, 03:59:41 PM
Penn State did a lot to make sure they couldn't get going on offense too - they just aren't the team they used to be the last couple years and are still ranked highly for some reason. As a fan they are still fun to watch and the atmosphere in Happy Valley is great, but they didn't stand a chance against Ohio St. lol.

Penn state for sure had their opportunities. But imo they exposed the Buckeyes today makes me happy.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 23, 2019, 04:01:02 PM
Go Bucks!  wonder how many All- Americans are on the team.  Answer.........a boatload.  Ohio State didn't play a clean game at all.  3 Fumbles they had to overcome and still won against a good PSU Football Team.  Who's Bama playing??? Another cup cake!  Western Carolina?  Who the hell are they and what conference do they play in?  Bueller?  Bueller?  They played one good opponent and they lost.  Not much to build on to get into the final four.  Big Ten East just may be the toughest division in NCAA Football this year.
Lol. SEC fans living rent free in the Big Tens head. Gotta love it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 23, 2019, 04:07:37 PM
Lol. SEC fans living rent free in the Big Tens head. Gotta love it.

Goes the same other way around.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 23, 2019, 04:41:07 PM
Goes the same other way around.

Not in the slightest. It always works itself out in the Natty count ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 23, 2019, 05:12:27 PM
Lol. SEC fans living rent free in the Big Tens head. Gotta love it.

Goes the same other way around.

Not in the slightest. It always works itself out in the Natty count ;)

Oh yea.......... :rofl :ahand

Imagine voting penn state into the top 4 only to have the truth come out today.

Yup. Well said.

Vols played well enough to clinch it. Big D stand at the end. Boy are we turning this season around. Canít wait to be at the vandy game.

Penn state over hyped love it.

Buckeyes donít play anyone per usual and run up 70+. Canít be enjoyable watching that. They will stay 1 because of shear points scored imo.

Sec proves once again to be where the good games are. Why is Clemson ranked outside of 4?

Fake #1.

After the best quality loss you could have. His only chance to get in the playoff is to pull the buckeye move and run the boards.

Refs doing all they can to ensure Penn state canít get going on offense. Did yíall see that False start on their own goal line? Nuts man.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on November 23, 2019, 05:22:42 PM
joe burrow could not win the starting job at ohio state and look at him eating up the sec. Ace if I was a VAWLS fan id be as miserable as you are too it must really suck to be a fan of a team who never wins I don't know because we buckeyes don't lose too often. is the vawls gonna make the colgate Palmolive tooth paste bowl this year or are they not eligible for that either.

GO BUCKEYES O-H
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 23, 2019, 09:55:56 PM
joe burrow could not win the starting job at ohio state and look at him eating up the sec. Ace if I was a VAWLS fan id be as miserable as you are too it must really suck to be a fan of a team who never wins I don't know because we buckeyes don't lose too often. is the vawls gonna make the colgate Palmolive tooth paste bowl this year or are they not eligible for that either.

GO BUCKEYES O-H

Would love to swap schedules for a year and see you flop. But itís all in good fun ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 23, 2019, 10:14:10 PM
Would love to swap schedules for a year and see you flop. But itís all in good fun ;)

Both will still be playing cupcake teams and few rank teams.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Oldman731 on November 23, 2019, 10:42:05 PM
PSU is at a good spot.  They just do not get recognized as much.  Never less, when up against buckeyes you will see a great match.  Lately it better then MICH v tOSU.


My two alma maters.  Sad day. 

I spent my Wonder Bread Years growing up in Columbus, and back again post-grad.  My father had season tickets mid-field (and under the roof!).  I know the crowd.  OSU fans have an uncanny knack for making you hate the team.  Similar to the Patriots crowd...only worse. 

I remember an evening, probably fall 1976, when OSU lost to some team.  My best friend from childhood, a Columbus native, called me.  His wife was crying.  Can you believe that?  Crying over a football game.  Madness. 

- oldman
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 24, 2019, 03:52:55 AM
One week until The Game!  :aok

(https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/michigan-stadium.jpeg)

(http://mwolverine.com/gobluebanner.jpg)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 24, 2019, 08:38:32 AM
One week until The Game!  :aok

(https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/michigan-stadium.jpeg)

(http://mwolverine.com/gobluebanner.jpg)

You guys ready?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 24, 2019, 10:54:32 AM
One week until The Game!  :aok

(https://www.lawnstarter.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/michigan-stadium.jpeg)

(http://mwolverine.com/gobluebanner.jpg)

Best football game of the year.  Voted the best rivalry in football.  The nation will be watching.  Not someone playing Western Carolina or Samford which my Alma Mater Youngstown state University played and beat earlier this year lol.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 24, 2019, 11:51:36 AM
ROTFLMAO Your local game will be.mostly local. They all are....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 24, 2019, 01:28:04 PM
Best game of the year was LSU vs BAMA. If ya disagree you just donít know football. But again itís just different down here, and thank God for that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 24, 2019, 02:19:20 PM
Best game of the year was LSU vs BAMA. If ya disagree you just don’t know football. But again it’s just different down here, and thank God for that.
Yep. It would be very hard to top that game from both a competitive standpoint as well as an entertainment standpoint.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 24, 2019, 02:55:40 PM
Yep. It would be very hard to top that game from both a competitive standpoint as well as an entertainment standpoint.

Yes sir. And if you disagree you just simply donít understand what Quality football looks like. Itís simple as that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 25, 2019, 10:30:32 AM
A little more to throw into the turmoil and SEC "myth".  ;)

At this time, the AP has 6 BIG Teams ranked within the top 20  (there are 25 total tanked in the Poll)
The SEC has 5.

A little more history, last two years Bowl Games by Conference. (which dispells the so-called dominance)

2018 Bowl Game wins by conferences.  SEC was 6 & 6, the BIG was 5 & 4
2017 Bowl Game wins by conferences.  SEC 4 & 5, the BIG was 7 & 1.

This should bring some fun discourse.

Also 11 out of the 14 teams in the BIG will not play a single FCS opponent.  Some teams such as Ohio State etc. will not schedule an FCS opponents.  Every Conference has its own cupcake teams.

They don't have to schedule FCS teams for an automatic win.

Ohio States out of conference games were against winning FBS teams.  Florida Atlantic FBS is 8 & 3 fighting for the lead in Conference USA
Cincinnati is 10 and 1, the only loss is to OSU 42 to 0 and is currently ranked in the top 25 of FBS Teams.  AAC Conference.
Miami of Ohio in a good MAC Conference is 7 & 4 and 6 and 1 currently in the lead in the MAC.

No Samford (which Auburn is going to play, an FCS team that my Alma Mater Youngstown State University beat 45 to 22 (YSU is an FCS team and not a very good one.)

Nope............ya won't find Western Carolina on any BIG Teams schedule either.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 25, 2019, 11:36:49 AM
Basically why we need at least 8 teams. There are 8 teams (or more) that play above the rest and deserve to have their shot at all the glory.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 25, 2019, 01:48:17 PM
Basically why we need at least 8 teams. There are 8 teams (or more) that play above the rest and deserve to have their shot at all the glory.

Agreed
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: eddiek on November 25, 2019, 04:47:29 PM
The playoff format needs to be expanded, in my opinion.
No more sportswriter and coaches voting.  Win your conference, and you're in, period. 
Cut the regular season down to ten games, since there were folks saying the college kids didn't need to play so many game.
Heck, here in Texas, even the high school teams that make the playoffs have the potential to play 15 games that season, if they
are good enough and keep winning once they playoffs start.
Using a ten game regular season, if the FBS conference champions hit the playoffs, it would add 4 games to the schedule for those
who kept winning and advancing.
Even keeping the current schedule would only end up with the two finalists playing 16 games, which is what the pros play in their regular
season.
Rotate on a annual basis the 4 conferences that don't get a bye week, let the national championship be decided on the field, not via some polls.

Just my two cents worth.....................
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 26, 2019, 12:48:29 AM
You guys ready?

Yes!  :aok

(I am always filled with optimism.  However, Michigan has been playing well lately and getting better each week for the past several weeks.  The quarterback, Shea Patterson, has won Big 10 player of the week for the past 2 weeks in a row.  All that is needed is just one more week of that.  :aok)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 26, 2019, 01:40:07 AM
Top-10 2018 games (# of TV viewers):

1.  Alabama vs. Georgia (17.5M)
2.  Michigan vs. Ohio State (13.2M)
3.  Alabama vs. LSU (11.5M)
4.  Oklahoma vs. Texas (10.2M)
5.  Ohio State vs. Penn State (9.1M)
6.  Alabama vs. Auburn (9.1M)
7.  Ohio State vs. Northwestern (8.7M)
8.  Notre Dame vs. USC (7.7M)
9.  Ohio State vs. TCU (7.2M)
10.  Michigan vs. Notre Dame (7.1M)

Out of those top-10 games, total involving:
Ohio State:  38.2M
Alabama:  38.1M
Michigan:  20.3M
Georgia:  17.5M
Notre Dame:  14.8M
LSU:  11.5M
Oklahoma:  10.2M
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 26, 2019, 01:55:12 AM
ROTFLMAO Your local game will be.mostly local. They all are....

Not the biggest ones.  Once you get above about 10M people watching, it is unlikely that most of them are locals.

Take 2018's The Game as an example.  It had 13M viewers.  Total population of Michigan and Ohio is 21M.  It would take about 1/3 of the total population of both states to equal 50% of the viewers.  As a person who lived in Michigan from birth until after college, I can tell you with certainty that 1/3 of all men, women, children, and babies are not watching The Game each year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 26, 2019, 01:57:00 AM
Also, with respect to average attendance at games for 2018:

Michigan led all FBS schools again with an average attendance of 110,737 fans per home game in 2018. Four other schools also averaged more than 100,000 fans per home game: Penn State (105,485), Ohio State (101,947), Alabama (101,562) and LSU (100,819).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on November 26, 2019, 02:41:36 PM
The playoff format needs to be expanded, in my opinion.
No more sportswriter and coaches voting.  Win your conference, and you're in, period. 
Cut the regular season down to ten games, since there were folks saying the college kids didn't need to play so many game.
Heck, here in Texas, even the high school teams that make the playoffs have the potential to play 15 games that season, if they
are good enough and keep winning once they playoffs start.
Using a ten game regular season, if the FBS conference champions hit the playoffs, it would add 4 games to the schedule for those
who kept winning and advancing.
Even keeping the current schedule would only end up with the two finalists playing 16 games, which is what the pros play in their regular
season.
Rotate on a annual basis the 4 conferences that don't get a bye week, let the national championship be decided on the field, not via some polls.

Just my two cents worth.....................

Why not a playoff system as all the pro sports?
I mean after all, now the college players can earn money just for their faces
and whatever
How long before colleges will start loosing players at the soph and frosh levels?
As a matter of fact, how long before High Schoolers get the same treatment?
Yes, Lebron took advantage of HS situation but think about it... Lebron is not the smartest
pea in the pod  :D
 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 26, 2019, 02:55:52 PM
Why not a playoff system as all the pro sports?
I mean after all, now the college players can earn money just for their faces
and whatever
How long before colleges will start loosing players at the soph and frosh levels?
As a matter of fact, how long before High Schoolers get the same treatment?
Yes, Lebron took advantage of HS situation but think about it... Lebron is not the smartest
pea in the pod  :D
 
At least NCAA Football has a 3 year removed from high school requirement, so junior year of college or redshirt sophomore. Not like basketball where for some players going to college is just a formality and to dazzle for a year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on November 27, 2019, 12:30:29 PM
At least NCAA Football has a 3 year removed from high school requirement, so junior year of college or redshirt sophomore. Not like basketball where for some players going to college is just a formality and to dazzle for a year.

Just as with NCAA BEFORE allowing the players to cash in... I give it a few years and hi-schers will cash in as well and then just
skip college/university all together

I mean we have to ask ourselves... what is a college/university education worth?
 :D
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 27, 2019, 04:40:03 PM
Nope............ya won't find Western Carolina on any BIG Teams schedule either.

Why single out WCU? Cullowhee is an awesome town. Most big teams are, however, afraid to put Appalachian State on the schedule :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 27, 2019, 05:22:33 PM
Why single out WCU? Cullowhee is an awesome town. Most big teams are, however, afraid to put Appalachian State on the schedule :)

Appalachian State an outstanding program.  I remember their big upset of Michigan (IIRC) some years back.  Cullowhee may be a wonderful town.  However, their football team is not in the same league unfortunately with Alabama.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 27, 2019, 08:55:27 PM
Appalachian State an outstanding program.  I remember their big upset of Michigan (IIRC) some years back.  Cullowhee may be a wonderful town.  However, their football team is not in the same league unfortunately with Alabama.

No, they aren't. But, is App St. in the same league as Michigan or South Carolina? How about Georgia St. and Tennessee; San Jose St. and Arkansas?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 28, 2019, 01:58:07 AM
Why single out WCU? Cullowhee is an awesome town. Most big teams are, however, afraid to put Appalachian State on the schedule :)

Not Michigan.  :uhoh
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 28, 2019, 02:02:02 AM
But, is App St. in the same league as Michigan

Usually not.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on November 28, 2019, 08:50:36 AM
He didn't mention North Carolina....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 28, 2019, 01:29:41 PM
Appalachian State an outstanding program.  I remember their big upset of Michigan (IIRC) some years back.  Cullowhee may be a wonderful town.  However, their football team is not in the same league unfortunately with Alabama.

SFASU is not in the same league with Duke but look what happen.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 28, 2019, 05:11:21 PM
No, they aren't. But, is App St. in the same league as Michigan or South Carolina? How about Georgia St. and Tennessee; San Jose St. and Arkansas?

Heís got those blinders on. Thankfully you and I get to witness quality football week end and week out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on November 29, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
LSU defense vs 4-7 ole miss gave up 714 yards 37 points. OSU defense vs #10 Penn state #12 Wisconsin and #19 Cincinnati combined 691 yards 24 points
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on November 29, 2019, 02:45:40 PM
Lucky osu didn't play ole miss.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on November 29, 2019, 02:54:42 PM
lol they are 4-8 only team in sec west that is worse is Arkansas. ole miss is 0-5 on the road 4-3 at home so if they was at home they might of scored a couple touchdowns
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 29, 2019, 03:05:25 PM
lol they are 4-8 only team in sec west that is worse is Arkansas. ole miss is 0-5 on the road 4-3 at home so if they was at home they might of scored a couple touchdowns

You are proving Shuffler's and ACE's point. SEC is very good, which explains why Ole Miss has such a poor record yet can put up 714 yds. against LSU.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 29, 2019, 03:53:10 PM
You are proving Shuffler's and ACE's point. SEC is very good, which explains why Ole Miss has such a poor record yet can put up 714 yds. against LSU.
YOU LOVE TO SEE IT. Itís so frustrating talking football with Northern folks. They might as well play 2 hand touch up there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 29, 2019, 04:00:35 PM
He didn't mention North Carolina....

Because they suck and App St. is clearly better.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 29, 2019, 04:01:40 PM
which explains why Ole Miss has such a poor record yet can put up 714 yds. against LSU.

LSU (which is an excellent team at #3 overall in SP+) has the #29 SP+ defense, so some teams are going to put up points yet still lose to LSU's #2 SP+ offense.

A more-extreme example is Oklahoma.  #1 SP+ offense, and #41 SP+ defense, and still #6 SP+ overall.

Or going the other way, there is Georgia, with #34 SP+ offense and #2 SP+ defense, #5 SP+ overall.

On top of such things, there is the usual variability game to game.

So, there end up being games like LSU vs. Vanderbilt (#102 SP+) giving 66-38, LSU vs. Ol' Miss (#55) giving 58-37, and LSU vs. Arkansas (#108) giving 56-20.  Teams that are #102, #55, and #108 by SP+ are not good.  They scored some points on the #29 defense; but the #2 offense blew them out of the water.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 29, 2019, 04:16:39 PM
Itís so frustrating talking football with Northern folks.

I don't know if SP+ and FPI are developed by Northern folks.

However, if ACE Rankings(TM) are more predictive than SP+ and FPI, you know that you could easily make $millions in football betting, right?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on November 30, 2019, 06:48:28 AM
I don't know if SP+ and FPI are developed by Northern folks.

However, if ACE Rankings(TM) are more predictive than SP+ and FPI, you know that you could easily make $millions in football betting, right?

I make my money the honest way.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 09:40:06 AM
Winners for todayís game?

tOSU v Mich - tOSU
Clemson v SC - Close game with Clemson win
Alabama v Auburn - Auburn
Wisc. v Minn. - Minn.
Okla. v Okla. St. - Okla.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on November 30, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
Not much of a game in Michigan, so far.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 01:44:32 PM
Not much of a game in Michigan, so far.

Anything can happen.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 30, 2019, 02:02:39 PM
Not much of a game in Michigan, so far.

Anything at any time can happen in an OSU Michigan game.  It will be close.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 02:14:23 PM
Anything at any time can happen in an OSU Michigan game.  It will be close.

Thatís what makes this game.  Doesnít matter who lost to what team previous in the season, this game is all what matters.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 30, 2019, 02:16:38 PM
Well "THE GAME" has been a snooze fest. Unless one is an Ohio State fan I suppose.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on November 30, 2019, 02:28:26 PM
Some game in Ann Arbor...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 02:29:49 PM
Well "THE GAME" has been a snooze fest. Unless one is an Ohio State fan I suppose.

Maybe last year and this year but many games have been a battle that came down to a TD or less. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 30, 2019, 04:18:28 PM
Even being a Buckeye fan I wish to see Michigan progress to a position of relevance again.  Michigan has a problem.  First IMHO, they are stuck with Harbaugh as a Coach.  Who else would the Michigan Alum be pleased with?  Secondly, they have to recruit.  It is much easier for Ohio state to recruit four and five-star recruits because of their prominence in NCAA Football, it's the same for Alabama et al.

Michigan has not been mentioned as having a possibility of making the playoffs since its' inception. They don't win their bowl games.  It's difficult to recruit an outstanding football player to go to Michigan, and you need more than one excellent recruit.  And to boot in the last 20 years vs. Ohio State they have lost 17 of 20 to the Buckeyes.  I take no joy in saying this.  I want Michigan to be a power again.  It's good for NCAA football as a whole.  Ohio States' recruiting class is loaded for 2020.  As a matter of fact commitments for 2021 are already loaded.  Why?  OSU wins big games making OSU an attractive place for a recruit to play his college football.  And you can substitute Alabama, LSU, Oregon in place of OSU. Look at the number that are noted NFL players from Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc. and the Heisman candidates on this years team.  It has been predicted that the four starting defensive backs at OSU will be gone by the third round and Chase may be the first pick in the NFL draft and not to mention JK Dobbins the running back.  And please believe me the fix that Michigan is in does not make me happy at all. It's all about recruiting and then coaching these young men to become excellent football players.

1.) Harbaugh HAS to recruit.
2.) Harbaugh has to win a few important football games.
3.)  Then Michigan has to win regularly, and some important games, not for just one year but for a few more years before they will be considered for a playoff berth.

It's a hole that Michigan will have to dig out of.  It won't happen in one year.  Recruitment is a must.  Coaching must improve and important games against Bowl opponents and ranked teams is a must.

I do hope this happens.  I really do.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 04:39:17 PM
Even being a Buckeye fan I wish to see Michigan progress to a position of relevance again.  Michigan has a problem.  First IMHO, they are stuck with Harbaugh as a Coach.  Who else would the Michigan Alum be pleased with?  Secondly, they have to recruit.  It is much easier for Ohio state to recruit four and five-star recruits because of their prominence in NCAA Football, it's the same for Alabama et al.

Michigan has not been mentioned as having a possibility of making the playoffs since its' inception. They don't win their bowl games.  It's difficult to recruit an outstanding football player to go to Michigan, and you need more than one excellent recruit.  And to boot in the last 20 years vs. Ohio State they have lost 17 of 20 to the Buckeyes.  I take no joy in saying this.  I want Michigan to be a power again.  It's good for NCAA football as a whole.  Ohio States' recruiting class is loaded for 2020.  As a matter of fact commitments for 2021 are already loaded.  Why?  OSU wins big games making OSU an attractive place for a recruit to play his college football.  And you can substitute Alabama, LSU, Oregon in place of OSU. Look at the number that are noted NFL players from Ohio State, Alabama, Clemson, etc. and the Heisman candidates on this years team.  It has been predicted that the four starting defensive backs at OSU will be gone by the third round and Chase may be the first pick in the NFL draft and not to mention JK Dobbins the running back.  And please believe me the fix that Michigan is in does not make me happy at all. It's all about recruiting and then coaching these young men to become excellent football players.

1.) Harbaugh HAS to recruit.
2.) Harbaugh has to win a few important football games.
3.)  Then Michigan has to win regularly, and some important games, not for just one year but for a few more years before they will be considered for a playoff berth.

It's a hole that Michigan will have to dig out of.  It won't happen in one year.  Recruitment is a must.  Coaching must improve and important games against Bowl opponents and ranked teams is a must.

I do hope this happens.  I really do.


They have the talent players that can beat tOSU but the coach is where the heart of the problem.  He needs to go. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on November 30, 2019, 06:24:14 PM
At least Alabama and Auburn was entertaining.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 06:29:00 PM
Wow, Bama kicker must feel like toejam after that fg attempt.

Lol,  Sabanís tantrum.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 30, 2019, 06:59:23 PM
Well "THE GAME" has been a snooze fest. Unless one is an Ohio State fan I suppose.

Well, I was liking lots of the *1st* half.  The 2nd half, though . . .  :uhoh
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 30, 2019, 08:06:14 PM
1.) Harbaugh HAS to recruit.

He's done a pretty good job of that.  Average class rankings in past 4 years:
Alabama:  2.0
Georgia:  3.0
Ohio State:  5.5
LSU:  7.25
Oklahoma: 10.5
Michigan: 10.75
Clemson:  11.0

Obviously, you can always do better, but the recruiting is pretty good.

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2.) Harbaugh has to win a few important football games.

Each year it does have some good wins mixed in -- importantly except for against Ohio State.

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3.)  Then Michigan has to win regularly.

Yep.

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It's a hole that Michigan will have to dig out of.  It won't happen in one year.  Recruitment is a must.  Coaching must improve and important games against Bowl opponents and ranked teams is a must.

I think that there are three things.  First is that Ohio State since Meyer is, every year, one of the best teams in the country.  Second is that, under Harbaugh in The Game, Michigan has too many gaffs either in the coaching or play or both, and those need to get turned down.  Third is that, if one single controversial call had gone differently in 2016, things today would seem different.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 30, 2019, 08:07:47 PM
Also, Hajo, congratulations on Ohio State's large victory.

I hope that they go on to win it all.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on November 30, 2019, 08:09:56 PM
At least Alabama and Auburn was entertaining.

I thought Alabama would win.  Auburn played a great game.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 08:12:02 PM
I think itís safe to say that tigers got really lucky x3 at the end of the game.  Block pass to a open Bama player at the gold line, Bama field gold attempt to tie the game that end up hitting a pole and not going though the poles, and the final was the call on Bama have 12 players out on the field that gave tigers a first down that allowed them to run the clock down.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on November 30, 2019, 08:41:51 PM
I keep rooting for Ohio State until they lose a game, because Blough and Purdue were the last team to beat them. Let them win every game until they play Purdue again.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on November 30, 2019, 10:10:49 PM
Also, Hajo, congratulations on Ohio State's large victory.

I hope that they go on to win it all.  :aok

Thank you Brooke. I've lived long enough to witness over 60+ OSU vs. Michigan games.  I've seen Michigan dominate the series and then OSU dominate.  I am sincere when I say I want and wish that Michigan does improve.  As far as recruiting if you watched the game when Dobbins went around right end for the last touchdown he left three Michigan DB's who had a shot at him in his jet stream.  He ran by them easily.  The BIG network replayed two Dobbins touchdowns where that OSU Offensive line demolished the Michigan Defensive Line.  OSU won the battle up front all day long thus Dobbins scoring 4TD and running for over 200 yards.  It was apparent that Michigan just did not have the speed or the power to compete.  Michigan needs to recruit! And after recruiting them COACH THEM UP!  A HS player may be a 4 or 5-star recruit but that means nothing if coaching can't get the talent out of them. I remember when Woody and Bo were hammer and tong in competition for the best Ohio HS players.  I remember games being so close that not one of the young men on the field for BOTH teams hadn't given it there all.  Few remember that Woody and Bo were the best of friends.  Woody gave the Eulogy at Bo's funeral.  Now with OSUs standing in Football and the number of all-pros they've placed in the NFL it is easier for OSU to recruit outstanding HS football players from all around the country.  Michigan needs to do the same.  And it is also as I said before going to take some time to do this.  I'm a BIG Fan of course as you are...........but I remember Michigan being in the thick of the national championship along with OSU.  I wish to see this again before I leave this world.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on November 30, 2019, 10:18:47 PM
Thank you Brooke. I've lived long enough to witness over 60+ OSU vs. Michigan games.  I've seen Michigan dominate the series and then OSU dominate.  I am sincere when I say I want and wish that Michigan does improve.  As far as recruiting if you watched the game when Dobbins went around right end for the last touchdown he left three Michigan DB's who had a shot at him in his jet stream.  He ran by them easily.  The BIG network replayed two Dobbins touchdowns where that OSU Offensive line demolished the Michigan Defensive Line.  OSU won the battle up front all day long thus Dobbins scoring 4TD and running for over 200 yards.  It was apparent that Michigan just did not have the speed or the power to compete.  Michigan needs to recruit!  I remember when Woody and Bo were hammer and tong in competition for the best Ohio HS players.  I remember games being so close that not one of the young men on the field for BOTH teams hadn't given it there all.  Few remember that Woody and Bo were the best of friends.  Woody gave the Eulogy at Bo's funeral.  Now with OSUs standing in Football and the number of all-pros they've placed in the NFL it is easier for OSU to recruit outstanding HS football players from all around the country.  Michigan needs to do the same.  And it is also as I said before going to take some time to do this.  I'm a BIG Fan of course as you are...........but I remember Michigan being in the thick of the national championship along with OSU.  I wish to see this again before I leave this world.


Nothing last for ever.  Buckeyes will have their winning years then so so.  No college football program ever gone more than 10-12 years of winning dominance. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 01, 2019, 07:25:48 AM
At least Alabama and Auburn was entertaining.

Always is. Such a close game all the way to the end. You donít get that much up north. Love the SEC and it keeps proving my points :). QUALITY football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 01, 2019, 09:34:48 PM
I think it’s safe to say that tigers got really lucky x3 at the end of the game.  Block pass to a open Bama player at the gold line, Bama field gold attempt to tie the game that end up hitting a pole and not going though the poles, and the final was the call on Bama have 12 players out on the field that gave tigers a first down that allowed them to run the clock down.
Auburn got lucky when Tua got hurt. These three examples are not luck.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 02, 2019, 06:54:09 AM
Auburn got lucky when Tua got hurt. These three examples are not luck.
Yup.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 04, 2019, 11:48:58 PM
SEC guys, which is the better team in your view here at the end of the season, Alabama or Auburn?

If they played again, which do you think would win?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 05, 2019, 06:53:41 AM
SEC guys, which is the better team in your view here at the end of the season, Alabama or Auburn?

If they played again, which do you think would win?

If Alabama didnít have the injuries they would be undefeated and walk their way easily to another title. They lost their generational QB. 

My vote is Alabama.   
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on December 05, 2019, 02:38:21 PM
Auburn got lucky when Tua got hurt. These three examples are not luck.

Agreed! but that is the way college football goes  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on December 05, 2019, 06:14:33 PM
Tua Tagovailoa should be back next March if his hip heals without any complications. Bo never recovered from his hip injury. Hopefully Tua will be alright.



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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 06, 2019, 06:47:59 PM
Tua Tagovailoa should be back next March if his hip heals without any complications. Bo never recovered from his hip injury. Hopefully Tua will be alright.



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He will never be the same. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on December 06, 2019, 10:27:38 PM
What happened to Utah vs Oregon? Down 30:15 with the game almost over.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 07, 2019, 12:02:46 AM
What happened to Utah vs Oregon? Down 30:15 with the game almost over.

What? A noncompetitive Pac-12 Championship Game?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 08:13:32 AM
What? A noncompetitive Pac-12 Championship Game?
Why was Utah even in the top 25. Jesus they suck.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 09:08:37 AM
Why was Utah even in the top 25. Jesus they suck.

Teams like KU, UCONN, Arkansas sucks. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 09:18:14 AM
Lane Kiffin to Ole miss it looks like. Canít wait to see what happens there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 07, 2019, 11:15:52 AM
Lane Kiffin to Ole miss it looks like. Can’t wait to see what happens there.

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I joined in the riot from Greve Hall. I would show what was painted on the rock that night, but I would get Ruled here on the forum.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on December 07, 2019, 11:59:43 AM
Lane Kiffin to Ole miss it looks like. Canít wait to see what happens there.

Lane Kiffin?????   Your kidding right?  That jerk ruined Tennesse football!  Kiss of death to any football program.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 07, 2019, 12:18:15 PM
Lane Kiffin?????   Your kidding right?  That jerk ruined Tennesse football!  Kiss of death to any football program.

Agreed. "Lane Kiffin U S*** C*** - Love, UTK" A fun, angry, depressing night. We truly loved Lane Kiffin for he was pulling the program out of the dark ages. Not that we were bad with Phil, but slipping and using the age old strategies with very little adaptation. In comes a young, professional coach which seemed surreal. His first year was not terrible, but not awesome. A very memorable win against Georgia and South Carolina (in black uniforms on Halloween) stand out. The bowl game against VT sucked, but it was not a bad year for a first year head coach. The defense was good enough to win 10 games, but the offense was seriously lacking. Crompton was barely average and Montario Hardesty was talented, but not an all down back. A few close losses made the season seem like a failure (mediocre UCLA, close loss to BCS Champions Florida, Auburn, and Alabama). The Alabama game still gives me nightmares. We held a Heisman winning Marcus Ingram-led Alabama offense to 4 field goals. We had a field goal at the end of the half blocked and the potential game winning field goal blocked by the same freaking guy! That was in Tuscaloosa and would have been the first win in Tuscaloosa since the crazy 5 OT win in 2003. Then, at the end of a decent year considering, he leaves for USC. F Lane Kiffin.

TLDR: F Lane Kiffin
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 05:37:42 PM
Jeez the lane train struck a nerve.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 05:39:23 PM
Lane Kiffin?????   Your kidding right?  That jerk ruined Tennesse football!  Kiss of death to any football program.
Better hope Joe Brady Burrow donít see yíall in the Natty Hajo.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 07, 2019, 05:39:48 PM
Jeez the lane train struck a nerve.

Did you approve of his actions after the '09 season?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 05:52:05 PM
Did you approve of his actions after the '09 season?

Nope. But itís a business at the end of the day. Plus it was his ďDream JobĒ. Yeah he left us in a bad spot. Sure did. Lotta folks would have done the same. Iím just glad we are on the right track.

Also heís going to Ole miss. Heís gonna make it tough on Alabama. Which in turn helps everyone out in the SEC. I just like good competitive football. Not blow out games. We have great teams down here and great games. Heís only going to add to that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 07, 2019, 06:06:04 PM
keep that same energy you have had in here about competitive football while watching this SEC championship game
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 06:17:08 PM
keep that same energy you have had in here about competitive football while watching this SEC championship game

Too much hype on Georgia.  How did a team that loss to unranked SC ended up at #4?  This year really question the whole ranking system. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 06:29:41 PM
keep that same energy you have had in here about competitive football while watching this SEC championship game
Sure will bud. Holler at me when yíall play some body.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 07, 2019, 06:30:55 PM
holler at me when a SEC team travels up north to play us in November don't worry ill wait
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 07, 2019, 06:32:39 PM
SEC wont travel to play anyone unless its in Dallas or Atlanta that's why they play Charles southern very competitive
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 06:40:59 PM
I have no control over who SEC schools schedule lol. I just know our in-conference games are wayyyyyyy better. And Iím fine with it. We will have to agree to disagree. Real football is played down here.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 06:57:01 PM
I have no control over who SEC schools schedule lol. I just know our in-conference games are wayyyyyyy better. And Iím fine with it. We will have to agree to disagree. Real football is played down here.

Seeing three of top five Heisman watch are in the big 10, one in the SEC.   :banana:   Real football play in big 10.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 07:40:46 PM
Wisc. out for blood.  This is real college football up north.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 07:49:07 PM
Seeing three of top five Heisman watch are in the big 10, one in the SEC.   :banana:   Real football play in big 10.

Easier to look good on paper when your opponents are an absolute liability. Still not gonna beat Joe Burrow. But Ight fella.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 07:50:17 PM
Wisc. out for blood.  This is real college football up north.

Took all year to finally get to a good game. So far itís looking good! 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 08:55:09 PM
Ouch!  Their goes that season.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 07, 2019, 09:00:09 PM
So ACE, you are Pro-Lane Kiffin? That makes you the very first Tennessee fan that I have met since 2010 to admit to such a thing.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 09:05:17 PM
So ACE, you are Pro-Lane Kiffin? That makes you the very first Tennessee fan that I have met since 2010 to admit to such a thing.
Iím not ďPro laneĒ as you say. Wouldnít want him back here. But I donít live in the past. It is what it is. I understand why he did what he did. Everything always works it self out. Wouldnít worry about him. We got a great coach! 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 07, 2019, 10:48:20 PM
Iím not ďPro laneĒ as you say. Wouldnít want him back here. But I donít live in the past. It is what it is. I understand why he did what he did. Everything always works it self out. Wouldnít worry about him. We got a great coach!
What did he do?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 07, 2019, 11:34:40 PM
What did he do?

He took his dream job and went to USC. Also took a lot of not all of his recruits.  Kinda suddenly left after a good season. Left us in a bad spot. Karma worked itís self out if you believe in that.

Good Ohio St vs Wisconsin game by the way. Wish the badgers didnít lay down in the second half. Ohio state really made some great defensive adjustments to seal up the slant routes etc.
canít understand the play calling from Wis. maybe they chose to run it so much because they didnít have time to develop routes with their tired/bad? OL.  Canít wait to see the CFP games.
Better team won that game.

Still donít see anyone stopping LSU bias aside. Joe money Burrow is a damn beast. You have got to move LSU to #1 they just walked the dog literally lol on Georgia the #4 team. They gotta move up. Itís deserved

Oklahoma gets in the CFP right??? That WR is crazy good along with Jalen being consistent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 08, 2019, 01:48:09 AM
Wisconsin couldn't do it, even with knowing Fields isn't going to run around much.  Eventually, the Ohio State offensive line completely wore out the Wisconsin defense.  I wonder if Fields' knee will improve a lot prior to the CFP.

I think Oklahoma would typically lose to the other CFP teams.

Clemson is probably very good, but who knows for sure?  First very good team they'll play is in the CFP.

It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 08, 2019, 01:44:11 PM
LSU v OU......good matchup but LSU should have no problems.

tOSU v Clemson.....this game could swing one way or the other.   After the way buckeyes played in the big10 championship they cannot do that in the playoffs.  They also get a new plane since Fields knee issue.


Best of luck for all teams.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 08, 2019, 02:15:59 PM
My predictions LSU vs OU will be a good game. I think LSU defense will hold strong
Ohio vs Clemson I see a repeat of last night. Both teams will score but buckeyes defense will prevail. Clemson hasnít seen a defense like that all year. LSU vs Ohio I think will be a great high scoring game. Or gridlocked. I donít see either team running away. I personally think LSU has a way better offense so I see them out scoring. Should be a couple good games here!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 08, 2019, 03:48:52 PM
I just can't wait for LSU vs. OSU.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 08, 2019, 04:02:54 PM
My predictions LSU vs OU will be a good game. I think LSU defense will hold strong
Ohio vs Clemson I see a repeat of last night. Both teams will score but buckeyes defense will prevail. Clemson hasnít seen a defense like that all year. LSU vs Ohio I think will be a great high scoring game. Or gridlocked. I donít see either team running away. I personally think LSU has a way better offense so I see them out scoring. Should be a couple good games here!

Idk,  with Fields knee issue he can not make these brake aways like he used to.  Dobbs will need to pick up his share.

I am calling LSU win around 2TD.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 08, 2019, 04:45:20 PM
LSU by 20 both games.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 08, 2019, 06:52:45 PM
It just occur to me.  Three of the four teams in the playoff starting QB transfer from another team from last year. All for the same reasons.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on December 08, 2019, 10:58:34 PM
Lane Kiffin is an excellent offensive coordinator, but will never have success as a head coach.  He was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders, Tennessee, and USC. Each time it ended badly. You have to surround yourself with great coaches and get them all on the same page. Recruiting is really important college. Getting talent to sign on is not an easy task. He should have stayed at Alabama and learned everything about head coaching from Nick Saben.

IMHO

 :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 09, 2019, 09:57:41 PM
I'm looking forward to Michigan vs. Alabama.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on December 10, 2019, 06:57:30 PM
I'm looking forward to Michigan vs. Alabama.  :aok

Me too!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 10, 2019, 07:38:15 PM
Lane Kiffin is an excellent offensive coordinator, but will never have success as a head coach.  He was the head coach of the Oakland Raiders, Tennessee, and USC. Each time it ended badly. You have to surround yourself with great coaches and get them all on the same page. Recruiting is really important college. Getting talent to sign on is not an easy task. He should have stayed at Alabama and learned everything about head coaching from Nick Saben.

IMHO

 :salute

Thanks for the Kiffin resume. I think you meant Nick Saban, who of course learned everything about coaching from Belichick, who learned from Parcells, but I get what you mean. Kiffin is a great recruiter and a terrible coach. He will likely ruin Oxford like he did Knoxville. Screw that guy.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 10, 2019, 07:40:39 PM
I'm looking forward to Michigan vs. Alabama.  :aok

As am I. This SEC vs. Big Ten conversation has been fun for weeks. I guess we will get to see which was better this year. We have a few bowl games featuring the two conferences:

LSU v OSU (Potential)
Auburn v Minnesota
Alabama v Michigan
Tennessee v Indiana


Honestly, I have SEC winning all 4 but it will be fun to watch.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Reschke on December 10, 2019, 10:28:20 PM
Hey I'm an SEC guy all the way back BUT I gotta pull for my UAB Blazers making our third straight bowl appearance. All since our revival from being killed off and being able to continue what is one of the longest home game win streaks around. We play Appalachian State in the New Orleans bowl and will likely get run but I'm going out on a limb and saying we will win 27-24.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 10, 2019, 11:17:06 PM
As am I. This SEC vs. Big Ten conversation has been fun for weeks. I guess we will get to see which was better this year. We have a few bowl games featuring the two conferences:

LSU v OSU (Potential)
Auburn v Minnesota
Alabama v Michigan
Tennessee v Indiana


Honestly, I have SEC winning all 4 but it will be fun to watch.

There are Michigan fans who are deathly afraid of Alabama.  I get it, but I'm totally up for it.  If Michigan pulls an upset, then it's glorious.  If not, I'll still have watched a game I was looking forward to, and next year is a new season.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 10, 2019, 11:25:25 PM
Tennessee v Indiana

I think this is a good match-up, too.  Tennessee is on a 5-game run and looking good at the end of the year; and Indiana is a lot better than people give them credit for thanks to an interesting offense.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on December 11, 2019, 08:23:54 PM
Hey I'm an SEC guy all the way back BUT I gotta pull for my UAB Blazers making our third straight bowl appearance. All since our revival from being killed off and being able to continue what is one of the longest home game win streaks around. We play Appalachian State in the New Orleans bowl and will likely get run but I'm going out on a limb and saying we will win 27-24.
Another UAB alum here. I'm really proud of how their football program has progressed.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on December 12, 2019, 12:39:44 PM
Hey I'm an SEC guy all the way back BUT I gotta pull for my UAB Blazers making our third straight bowl appearance. All since our revival from being killed off and being able to continue what is one of the longest home game win streaks around. We play Appalachian State in the New Orleans bowl and will likely get run but I'm going out on a limb and saying we will win 27-24.

I to UAB as well but before they had a football team... back then their only
claim to fame was a basketball team  :aok
But agreed, I pull for UAB whenever possible  :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on December 15, 2019, 03:34:07 AM
Army took a real thumping from Navy. Scored a TD on their 1st drive and then it was all Navy from then on ending 31:7.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 19, 2019, 07:31:03 AM
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2020/all-teams/Football

Kids wanna play in the SEC what can I say.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 19, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2020/all-teams/Football

Kids wanna play in the SEC what can I say.

Except for the ones that want to play in the ACC and Big 10, apparently.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 20, 2019, 06:49:46 AM
Count the top 10 :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 20, 2019, 11:09:36 AM
so you are saying the SEC is getting all the recruits yet Clemson and ohio state has taken them to the wood shed in the playoffs
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 20, 2019, 12:02:07 PM
so you are saying the SEC is getting all the recruits yet Clemson and ohio state has taken them to the wood shed in the playoffs

Woosh right over your head. I sincerely believe you donít watch football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 20, 2019, 01:02:03 PM
Count the top 10 :)

Yes, it is impressive.  My point is that kids seem to like clemson the best, and osu better than any sec team other than alabama, by your reasoning.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 20, 2019, 01:36:08 PM
Yes, it is impressive.  My point is that kids seem to like clemson the best, and osu better than any sec team other than alabama, by your reasoning.
Majority always rules :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 20, 2019, 08:17:37 PM
Majority always rules :)

I would argue that, in football, the best rule, which is not the majority.  In the most-recent 6 years, that is Clemson, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oklahoma.  LSU might enter that realm -- we'll see after a few more years.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on December 22, 2019, 10:06:51 AM
The Las Vegas Bowl game last night was a real disappointment. Boise never had a chance against Washington. I stopped watching after the first few minutes of the second half.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 22, 2019, 03:30:24 PM
The Las Vegas Bowl game last night was a real disappointment. Boise never had a chance against Washington. I stopped watching after the first few minutes of the second half.

I'm always suspicious of rankings of teams that aren't Power 5 because rankings tend to be mostly about win/loss and not much about strength of schedule.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 28, 2019, 06:16:57 PM
Well this LSU game is going about as well as expected.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 28, 2019, 06:58:43 PM
Well this LSU game is going about as well as expected.


Well,  they are playing a cupcake team with not so great defense. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 28, 2019, 10:08:21 PM

Well,  they are playing a cupcake team with not so great defense. 
That's the fourth best team in the country, didn't ya know? :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on December 28, 2019, 11:13:14 PM
What a game Clemson vs Ohio. :banana:

The BIG one, LSU vs Clemson.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 28, 2019, 11:29:15 PM
What a game Clemson vs Ohio. :banana:

The BIG one, LSU vs Clemson.


Not tOSUís day.   Fields not 100% with is knee.  Dobbs was doing good until his ankle injury.  Young.......I do not think he play at all.  And I am sure the targging call will be talked about. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 28, 2019, 11:49:14 PM
came up just a few plays short of a win but damn what a game. I was sad for about 20 minutes now im over it and the cool thing about all this is im still a proud buckeyes fan. GO BUCKEYES!!! O-H
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 29, 2019, 02:47:11 AM
I would have thought that Ohio State learned (from Michigan) that it is a boneheaded move to risk roughing the punter in an attempt to block the punt when you are having a hard time stopping the opponent and finally are about to get the ball back.

It was an exciting game, though, needing to the very end to decide the winner.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 29, 2019, 02:50:54 AM

Not tOSUís day.   Fields not 100% with is knee.  Dobbs was doing good until his ankle injury.  Young.......I do not think he play at all.  And I am sure the targging call will be talked about.

I think the most-controversial call was the one reversing the fumble and resultant OSU touchdown.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 29, 2019, 04:47:20 AM
As expected Buckeyes choked when they play a good team. It was either lose here tonight. Or lose by 30-40 from LSU. Pick your poison.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on December 29, 2019, 05:49:11 AM
Band wagon ACE stopping by for his buckeye bashing session. it must really suck to have to support other teams every year because your team has 0 chance of anything  :D
buckeyes will be in the hunt next year and ill be rooting them on while you ride the band wagon once again because its all you got to look forward to is another team winning.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 29, 2019, 06:18:08 AM
No band wagon here. Been a fan since I came out the womb!

Rent free baby. Rent free :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: APDrone on December 29, 2019, 08:38:07 AM
Can somebody, anybody, explain to me how this is even possible for somebody to be so close to being able to haul in ridiculous sums of $$$ to do something so brainbendingly stupid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwKRh02peCE
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 29, 2019, 08:42:44 AM
Can somebody, anybody, explain to me how this is even possible for somebody to be so close to being able to haul in ridiculous sums of $$$ to do something so brainbendingly stupid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwKRh02peCE

I guess emotions run high when youíre getting your bellybutton kicked.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2019, 09:00:13 AM
Can somebody, anybody, explain to me how this is even possible for somebody to be so close to being able to haul in ridiculous sums of $$$ to do something so brainbendingly stupid?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwKRh02peCE
Like Spek said...adrenaline, emotions...stupidity.

I wish the NFL would implement some form of the Targeting rule. There are tons of crappy plays where players get seriously hurt and all that happens is a 15 yard penalty and a $20,000 fine. Start ejecting players where they lose out on game time and possible incentives in their contracts, and they'll shape up real quick.

Anyway...LSU by 30.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 29, 2019, 09:10:40 AM
As expected Buckeyes choked when they play a good team. It was either lose here tonight. Or lose by 30-40 from LSU. Pick your poison.


That was not a choke.  It was a 50/50 chance game match up. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 29, 2019, 10:17:07 AM

That was not a choke.  It was a 50/50 chance game match up. 

Debatable
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 29, 2019, 11:00:51 AM
Debatable


No.  Lots of sports analysis said it.  The stats says it.  Even I said it. That game was on of them that can go one way or the other.  And it did.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 29, 2019, 06:24:40 PM
If you guys were to make a top 10 (instead of the CFP committee), what would it be?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 29, 2019, 06:36:47 PM

No.  Lots of sports analysis said it.  The stats says it.  Even I said it. That game was on of them that can go one way or the other.  And it did.
They choked on multiple red zone possessions resulting in field goals, any one of those would have been game-winning points.
Not a fan of the injury argument because any meaningful winning team will adapt and overcome.

A 'sports analyst*' said this too:
https://youtu.be/9lxT_Cyv7fw?t=171

That team put in a backup QB, won 5 games in a row and now sit tied with 2 other teams in the NFC with the best records in the NFL after losing their HOF QB in Week 2.

So it does not make it law.

As for you saying it...well...congrats?  :rofl

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 29, 2019, 06:58:54 PM
They choked on multiple red zone possessions resulting in field goals, any one of those would have been game-winning points.
Not a fan of the injury argument because any meaningful winning team will adapt and overcome.

A 'sports analyst*' said this too:
https://youtu.be/9lxT_Cyv7fw?t=171

That team put in a backup QB, won 5 games in a row and now sit tied with 2 other teams in the NFC with the best records in the NFL after losing their HOF QB in Week 2.

So it does not make it law.

As for you saying it...well...congrats?  :rofl

Choke would be Clemson rolls over osu like they did three years ago.  Not a choke this time. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 29, 2019, 07:15:28 PM
If you guys were to make a top 10 (instead of the CFP committee), what would it be?

LSU
Alabama
Clemson
Georgia
Ohio St
Florida
Auburn
Oregon
Wisconsin
Baylor
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 29, 2019, 09:10:26 PM
I'd pick as follows:

LSU/Clemson
Ohio State
Alabama
Georgia
Auburn (if they are playing well)
Wisconsin
Florida
Penn State
Oregon

Still looking for my beloved Wolverines to pull off the upset, though.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 30, 2019, 08:41:01 AM
Both are fine top 10s - the 'issue' is, there is a big gap between the top 3 teams and the rest of the pack in Football. We saw that with LSU and OU this year. Last year with ND and Clemson. I mean, what if Oregon made it from the Pac-12? They would've got steamrolled just the same as OU.

Cinderella teams make it more interesting in Basketball because the field of play is a bit more level, more scoring opportunities, etc.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 30, 2019, 10:12:12 AM
Both are fine top 10s - the 'issue' is, there is a big gap between the top 3 teams and the rest of the pack in Football. We saw that with LSU and OU this year. Last year with ND and Clemson. I mean, what if Oregon made it from the Pac-12? They would've got steamrolled just the same as OU.

Cinderella teams make it more interesting in Basketball because the field of play is a bit more level, more scoring opportunities, etc.

We should have a March Madness pickem bracket or something. That would be cool. I agree with you on the basketball statement. It also makes it really interesting! 

Back to the top ten. I really think Alabama could be #1 with a healthy Tua. Injuries suck for any team but thatís how it goes. I love the playoff system. It shows who got by with a lacking schedule. LSU went through a buzz saw of a schedule and here they are. Their play shows it too. Clearly showed in the Clemson v Ohio game. Neither have played talent like that and they didnít score often which did result in a good game. But it proves just how important playing tough teams week in and week out really is.

LSU beats Clemson by 30 minimum.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on December 30, 2019, 11:43:41 AM
LSU
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Alabama
Georgia
Baylor
Wisconsin
Florida
Penn St


 :salute

IMHO
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 30, 2019, 02:52:09 PM
We should have a March Madness pickem bracket or something. That would be cool. I agree with you on the basketball statement. It also makes it really interesting! 

Back to the top ten. I really think Alabama could be #1 with a healthy Tua. Injuries suck for any team but thatís how it goes. I love the playoff system. It shows who got by with a lacking schedule. LSU went through a buzz saw of a schedule and here they are. Their play shows it too. Clearly showed in the Clemson v Ohio game. Neither have played talent like that and they didnít score often which did result in a good game. But it proves just how important playing tough teams week in and week out really is.

LSU beats Clemson by 30 minimum.


How can a team play a tough teams week in and week out? Nobody has no way of knowing who will be the toughest team 5 years out when marking the schedule.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 30, 2019, 04:48:03 PM

How can a team play a tough teams week in and week out? Nobody has no way of knowing who will be the toughest team 5 years out when marking the schedule.
Itís a pretty known fact that the sec is a buzzsaw every year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 30, 2019, 04:52:16 PM
Itís a pretty known fact that the sec is a buzzsaw every year.

No
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 31, 2019, 12:06:08 AM
No

Name the SEC school that had an easy schedule this season.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on December 31, 2019, 03:38:55 AM
Name the SEC school that had an easy schedule this season.

Texas A&M.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on December 31, 2019, 05:02:48 AM
Texas A&M.  :aok

Aggies played number 1 three times this year. Who else did that?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 31, 2019, 05:25:55 AM
Texas A&M.  :aok
So in one season playing Alabama , Clemson, LSU, and Georgia is Easy?  Jesus I think we should all give up on this thread. There is no hope left.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 06:05:08 AM
You guys donít get it.  Teams schedule are made 4, 5 as much to 12 years ahead.   They're so much that goes into making them,  more than you think.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on December 31, 2019, 07:18:11 AM
I'm no TAM fan, but having to face Bama, Clemson, Georgia, LSU, not to mention two scrappy Mississippi teams...that's a grueling schedule. No team plays with more passion than TAMU. And I'm a die-hard Bama fan.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 31, 2019, 07:25:04 AM
You guys donít get it.  Teams schedule are made 4, 5 as much to 12 years ahead.   They're so much that goes into making them,  more than you think.

Partner I believe we all understand that lol. Someone said T A&M schedule was easy. I think they lost all of their merit in talking about football. Jesus that was stupid.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 31, 2019, 07:51:01 AM
You guys donít get it.  Teams schedule are made 4, 5 as much to 12 years ahead.   They're so much that goes into making them,  more than you think.
I'm sure everyone here gets it. There is not much variation in the 'top' teams year in and out. Once in a while you'll see a team rise if they had a good few recruiting classes or a star player or two.

The same goes for NCAAM Basketball.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on December 31, 2019, 07:56:14 AM
I'm 90% sure it was sarcasm.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
Partner I believe we all understand that lol. Someone said T A&M schedule was easy. I think they lost all of their merit in talking about football. Jesus that was stupid.

They should have stay in the big XII.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on December 31, 2019, 09:25:48 AM
They should have stay in the big XII.

It has been great since going to SEC.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 09:57:36 AM
It has been great since going to SEC.

Getting their bellybutton pounded every year.  Ok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on December 31, 2019, 10:23:08 AM
Getting their bellybutton pounded every year.  Ok
Why is good competition a bad thing?

Before the fall of the Big East, Syracuse did pretty well but the competition wasn't the same as when they moved to the ACC. Now the ACC is one of the best, if not the best NCAAM conferences for Basketball and has been for quite some time. The competition is insane and the games are great to watch, even the teams at the bottom of the standings.

Compare that to a school like Gonzaga who doesn't play anybody all year, goes undefeated or close to it, then winds up with a #1 seed and struggles to keep up #1 style play when the other 3 #1 seeds are ACC teams.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on December 31, 2019, 10:43:03 AM
Getting their bellybutton pounded every year.  Ok

They have not done badly at football. It is far more than just football though.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 31, 2019, 12:40:45 PM
See rule #14
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 12:58:13 PM
LSU v Clemson


This game could be another good match.   Both teams are just about equal on stats.  LSU has one hell of a QB,  Clemson dose too.  Only difference is one been on the NC stage once already and winning it, but no Heisman winner.

Clemson is no stranger with the pressure right now.   Facing off against Bama and being the underdogs twice and winning both times.  They know what needs to done.  LSU been out of the NC for 12 years but confidence high.  An talent team that has proven them self this year.......I do not think LSU was consider top contenders to play in the NC at the beginning of the season.  Correct me if I am wrong.
 

With that both teams will be 20/30 points, final score between a FG to TD,  Clemson win.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 01:03:45 PM
See rule #14
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 31, 2019, 06:58:24 PM
You guys donít get it.  Teams schedule are made 4, 5 as much to 12 years ahead.   They're so much that goes into making them,  more than you think.

No, you don't get it. Conference schedules do not change. If a school is not SEC or Big Ten, their non conference schedule matters (unless they beat everyone by 35) and thus what you are saying has validity. However, there is 0 reason for an Alabama, Auburn, Florida, or Georgia to schedule teams like USC, Michigan, Florida St. etc. For teams in those conferences that generally fall below par, a decent non-conference schedule may help their resume in bowl season. Still, everyone in this conversation understands that schedules are made in advance and that there is no way of knowing when Oklahoma or UCLA are going to have a bad year. The point that you missed was that SEC schools have no need to peer into the future to figure out which non-SEC schools will be good in 5 years because they play the same powerhouses every year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on December 31, 2019, 07:24:00 PM
No, you don't get it. Conference schedules do not change. If a school is not SEC or Big Ten, their non conference schedule matters (unless they beat everyone by 35) and thus what you are saying has validity. However, there is 0 reason for an Alabama, Auburn, Florida, or Georgia to schedule teams like USC, Michigan, Florida St. etc. For teams in those conferences that generally fall below par, a decent non-conference schedule may help their resume in bowl season. Still, everyone in this conversation understands that schedules are made in advance and that there is no way of knowing when Oklahoma or UCLA are going to have a bad year. The point that you missed was that SEC schools have no need to peer into the future to figure out which non-SEC schools will be good in 5 years because they play the same powerhouses every year.

No you still not getting it. 

Guess I have to linked what it takes.

 https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/12682846/college-football-schedules-planned-far-advance-athletic-directors-unhappy-it (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/12682846/college-football-schedules-planned-far-advance-athletic-directors-unhappy-it)

 https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/30/inside-look-at-college-footballs-scheduling-revolution/amp/ (https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2019/08/30/inside-look-at-college-footballs-scheduling-revolution/amp/)



Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on December 31, 2019, 08:45:00 PM
Okay. I am not sure what exactly you aren't understanding, so I am going to step away from this particular engagement. There is a breakdown somewhere and I do not intend on finding it. My point was, everything you are saying is irrelevant to SEC schools. A 12-0 LSU is impressive no matter who they played their 4 non-conference games against; whether it be against UCLA, Oklahoma, and Michigan or LA Tech, SE LA St., and Tulane. 12-0 LSU is impressive because of the SEC schedule which does not go through the same process you have so graciously linked us.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on December 31, 2019, 10:11:08 PM
Okay. I am not sure what exactly you aren't understanding, so I am going to step away from this particular engagement. There is a breakdown somewhere and I do not intend on finding it. My point was, everything you are saying is irrelevant to SEC schools. A 12-0 LSU is impressive no matter who they played their 4 non-conference games against; whether it be against UCLA, Oklahoma, and Michigan or LA Tech, SE LA St., and Tulane. 12-0 LSU is impressive because of the SEC schedule which does not go through the same process you have so graciously linked us.

At this point I think Oak is trolling.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on January 01, 2020, 05:50:55 PM
Wow.  Minnesota well deserved that big win.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on January 01, 2020, 09:34:31 PM
Oregon 28 vs Wisconsin 27

Wisconsin shot themselves in the foot 3 times (fumbles resulted in touchdowns).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 01, 2020, 10:41:07 PM
Huge win for Oregon. That QB will get drafted for sure. Not sure how NFL will treat him though.

Do the ranks change after these bowls? FL got screwed with #9. They should easily be #5. Only losses were GA and LSU, both top 5 teams. Those other teams lost to much worse teams. 



Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 02:33:45 AM
Regarding my answer that Texas A&M has a weak schedule:

I'm 90% sure it was sarcasm.

BoilerDown gets it -- folks can be 100% sure.

I picked the team with the hardest schedule of them all by far, in my estimation.  They played #1 Clemson, #8 Auburn, #1 Alabama, #4 Georgia, and #2 LSU.  I mean, ye gods.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 02:48:22 AM
So in one season playing Alabama , Clemson, LSU, and Georgia is Easy?  Jesus I think we should all give up on this thread. There is no hope left.

How in the world can you not recognize that as a joke?  I even posted a  :aok to make it extra obvious for the humor impaired.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 02:51:23 AM
Oregon 28 vs Wisconsin 27

Wisconsin shot themselves in the foot 3 times (fumbles resulted in touchdowns).

Yep.

An exciting game, but man did Wisconsin bungle their way to a loss.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 02:56:25 AM
Alas, my beloved Wolverines fell to the mighty Crimson Tide.

It was good for the 1st half, at least, and Michigan's defense did a lot better than I thought it would manage.  I was pleasantly surprised by those things.

<S> to Alabama.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on January 02, 2020, 07:27:57 AM
Alas, my beloved Wolverines fell to the mighty Crimson Tide.

It was good for the 1st half, at least, and Michigan's defense did a lot better than I thought it would manage.  I was pleasantly surprised by those things.

<S> to Alabama.
All my life, that I can remember, there have been 3 teams I was always nervous about Bama playing: Auburn, LSU & Michgan. All other teams I pretty much knew Bama would win, or I knew the Tide wasn't up to beating them that particular year. But those 3 I pointed out, even when Bama was having a great year, I could not be confident they'd  come out on top against those 3, the passion runs high in those games. Wolverines put up a good fight. It was a good college game, even if Bama had lost. <S> Wolverines.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on January 02, 2020, 08:56:25 AM
All my life, that I can remember, there have been 3 teams I was always nervous about Bama playing: Auburn, LSU & Michgan. All other teams I pretty much knew Bama would win, or I knew the Tide wasn't up to beating them that particular year. But those 3 I pointed out, even when Bama was having a great year, I could not be confident they'd  come out on top against those 3, the passion runs high in those games. Wolverines put up a good fight. It was a good college game, even if Bama had lost. <S> Wolverines.

Michigan has the talent just need to get a new coach.  Never less,  it was a great game until 4th.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 02, 2020, 10:48:56 AM
Auburn let me down in my top 10 pick. But hell thats the way they roll down there. Consistency is non existent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 01:35:41 PM
Auburn let me down in my top 10 pick. But hell thats the way they roll down there. Consistency is non existent.

Auburn is good and has good talent, but they do have a lot of variability.  It might be because Malzahn is not a conservative coach, which makes it more variable but also fun to watch.  They have a freshman QB who is good, but freshmen are going to be less consistent.

Also, Minnesota is a good team this year, so I figured it would be a worthy fight.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 01:48:11 PM
All my life, that I can remember, there have been 3 teams I was always nervous about Bama playing: Auburn, LSU & Michgan. All other teams I pretty much knew Bama would win, or I knew the Tide wasn't up to beating them that particular year. But those 3 I pointed out, even when Bama was having a great year, I could not be confident they'd  come out on top against those 3, the passion runs high in those games. Wolverines put up a good fight. It was a good college game, even if Bama had lost. <S> Wolverines.

<S> to you, nooby!

I read a couple of Michigan football message boards (MGoBlog and 247).  The majority of the posts were Michigan fans crying about the Alabama matchup and worrying especially about Michigan's D-line vs. Najee Harris and the Alabama O-line.  So, I was pretty happy about how they did.  I wish Michigan's QB had a better day.  It was his last game with Michigan, and it would have helped him with his prospects if he had a good game.  I hope that Ruggs is OK.  I give those Alabama receivers (and all the top Alabama prospects) a lot of credit for playing in the game.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on January 02, 2020, 01:49:23 PM
Being an Auburn... the season is made by beating Bama...
Having lost to Minnesota was inconsequential  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on January 02, 2020, 05:05:47 PM
Being an Auburn... the season is made by beating Bama...
Having lost to Minnesota was inconsequential  :aok
Ha, your team had help.....from Bama.
 :bolt:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 02, 2020, 05:25:45 PM
Imagine being Jim H in Michigan. Heís got to have the hottest seat in the country right?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 02, 2020, 08:25:58 PM
Imagine being Jim H in Michigan. Heís got to have the hottest seat in the country right?

That's from the reactionary side, people who don't think things through and fortunately tend not to be in charge of anything important.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 02, 2020, 08:30:06 PM
That's from the reactionary side, people who don't think things through and fortunately tend not to be in charge of anything important.
I guess you are defending him?  He doesnít beat good teams. Thatís facts.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on January 02, 2020, 09:47:41 PM
Tough game in Jacksonville, but a bowl win is better than no bowl win. Make it 7 for the SEC this bowl season. Go VOLS!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 02, 2020, 09:55:02 PM
Vols on a 6-0 run heading into next year. Love this program. Our defense was great. We some how won without a QB.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 03, 2020, 02:31:23 AM
I guess you are defending him?

Yes.

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  He doesnít beat good teams. Thatís facts.

Yes, but those aren't all the facts.

First, you are defining "good teams" to mean only Ohio State and Alabama -- because Harbaugh has half the time or more beaten Florida, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc.

Second, teams -- on *average* -- beat the opponents they are favored to beat and lose to the opponents that are favored to beat them.  It will take more than 5 years to go from 2014's Michigan (5-wins, #37 recruiting class) to one that is regularly favored against the likes of Alabama and Ohio State.

Third, Harbaugh at Michigan is a top-10 coach in winning %, and from 2016-2019 is one of the top recruiters.  Only 4 teams recruited better than Michigan in that period:  Alabama, Ohio State, Georgia, and LSU.  Michigan during that period is about the same as Clemson and Oklahoma.

Fourth, if its so easy and likely to do better than Harbaugh, what happened with USC, Florida State, Texas, Miami, Tennessee, Arkansas, South Carolina, Nebraska, and Ole Miss?  Those are all programs that have plenty of money (revenue of $80-130 million/year), good fan bases, desire to win, good football history, etc.  Look what happened to Michigan prior to Harbaugh.  It is easy for changes to be a disaster.  Yes, sometimes schools make a change and get a superstar -- Smart, Riley, maybe Orgeron -- but *way* more frequently the opposite happens.

Fifth, Dabo Swinney lost 5 times in a row to rival South Carolina (2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013) -- and South Carolina is no Ohio State.  It took him 5 years to get to 11 wins with Clemson, and 8 years to get to CFP level.  During that time, people invented the derisive term "clemsoning".  If they had given up early, they would have lost one of the greatest coaches in football history.

Sixth, outcomes in football are subject to a high degree of variability.  Things in 2016 were very, very close to being dramatically different for Michigan.  But for a miniscule change here or there in 2016, and all of this would be a completely different conversation.

Seventh -- and perhaps most importantly -- I see Harbaugh making adjustments each year in response to what didn't go well a previous year, and many of those do work out.  It gets hidden in the variability of win/loss outcomes, but it is progress and, I think, eventually will show up in win/loss.

For these reasons, I like Harbaugh being at Michigan.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 04, 2020, 02:59:33 PM
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on January 04, 2020, 07:19:42 PM
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.

Letís see.  Guess thatís why he still has the coaching job.  He mad his argument or the booster understand the it or both.   
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on January 05, 2020, 12:02:45 AM
Since the above is very long winded, I can sum up my preference for Harbaugh this way:

I think it is far more likely that, a few years from now, Michigan with Harbaugh would be a much better team than if it changed coaches.

Yes long winded but explained in a way that makes your point clear. It was required and not just a rant.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Reschke on January 09, 2020, 09:19:46 AM
tl;dr

For these reasons, I like Harbaugh being at Michigan.

So do the Buckeyes... :D

When I was in Milwaukee for a work golf tournament back in 2007; and we had been drinking one Friday night at a bar downtown; I started the fan favorite SEC chant of "Big Ten Sucks!" I got escorted out of the establishment well before people started trying to get all up in my face.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on January 09, 2020, 11:12:33 AM
tl;dr

So do the Buckeyes... :D

When I was in Milwaukee for a work golf tournament back in 2007; and we had been drinking one Friday night at a bar downtown; I started the fan favorite SEC chant of "Big Ten Sucks!" I got escorted out of the establishment well before people started trying to get all up in my face.

LOL
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 09, 2020, 10:58:47 PM

So do the Buckeyes... :D

They might like Clay Helton, Willie Taggart, Mark Richt, Butch Jones, Scott Frost, Chad Morris, Tom Herman, or Rich Rodrigues even better.

That's also what you can get when you try for a great coach, as USC, Florida State, Miami, Nebraska,  Tennessee, Arkansas, and Texas, and Michigan prior to Harbaugh, found.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 10, 2020, 01:29:43 PM
Jim H at Michigan will always be the bridesmaid to Ohio State. Heís average nothing more.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 11, 2020, 02:36:54 AM
Jim H at Michigan will always be the bridesmaid to Ohio State.

Maybe -- Ohio State is generally one of they very best teams -- but we'll see how it goes.

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Heís average nothing more.

"Average" (in the case of ranked list) is the point where 50% of things are higher and 50% are lower.  Since there are 130 Division I football teams, average is 65.

Harbaugh's record at Michigan is approximately in the top 10.  That puts Harbaugh at the 92nd percentile, not at the 50th percentile.

Did you have any classes in school that were competitively graded on a curve?  There, 90th percentile is an A, and 50th percentile (average) is a C.  It's just like that.  Harbaugh has an A.  Not an A+, though.  Saban, Meyer, and Swinney have A+'s.

My feeling is that it is more likely for Habaugh to improve from A to A+ than it is to win the coaching lottery.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on January 14, 2020, 04:18:16 AM
Is LSU the greatest team ever?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 14, 2020, 07:14:28 AM
Is LSU the greatest team ever?

Probably one of the best offenses in a long time.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Maverick on January 14, 2020, 10:12:47 AM
I watched the LSU game last night. I thought it was probably the best game of the entire season. Both teams came out playing hard and kept up the intensity for the entire game. Both LSU and Clemson had extremely talented QB's. I thought the Clemson defensive line was pretty superior to the LSU offensive line with as many times as they got pressure on the QB. Hell of a lot of blitz plays.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: oakranger on January 14, 2020, 11:05:06 AM
I watched the LSU game last night. I thought it was probably the best game of the entire season. Both teams came out playing hard and kept up the intensity for the entire game. Both LSU and Clemson had extremely talented QB's. I thought the Clemson defensive line was pretty superior to the LSU offensive line with as many times as they got pressure on the QB. Hell of a lot of blitz plays.

Only issue I saw is Clemson defense seem to run out of steam.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Ramesis on January 14, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Is LSU the greatest team ever?

I guessing this will light up another intense debate  :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Mano on January 14, 2020, 03:39:47 PM
The game last night was allot of fun to watch. Joe Burrow really is amazing and he will go high in the NFL draft.
Trevor Lawrence is no slouch either. He will go really high as well. The game really was not decided until the very end. It was well played by both teams.

 :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on January 14, 2020, 04:27:30 PM
The game last night was allot of fun to watch. Joe Burrow really is amazing and he will go high in the NFL draft.
Trevor Lawrence is no slouch either. He will go really high as well. The game really was not decided until the very end. It was well played by both teams.

 :salute

While Trevor is a good QB too, once they were behind... he started throwing some off balls.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on January 15, 2020, 07:08:50 AM
While Trevor is a good QB too, once they were behind... he started throwing some off balls.
He was desperate. Was facing a good D. I’m glad the refs stayed out of it and let them play. There was some close PI on both teams that didn’t get called. Let em play.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on January 23, 2020, 12:50:11 AM
Is it next college football season yet?

How long do we have to wait?

Are we there yet?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: nooby52 on January 25, 2020, 02:11:12 AM
Looks like Bama will be in the hunt, again. Good recruiting season. Roll Tide!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on January 25, 2020, 11:59:41 AM
He was desperate. Was facing a good D. Iím glad the refs stayed out of it and let them play. There was some close PI on both teams that didnít get called. Let em play.

Refs need to admit they are wrong. That (should have been) touch down by Clemson that was called a pass interference  was just out right stupid. Not that Clemson would have won it, but it crushed some real momentum. The final was a good game and felt very long. I was overall happy with the game. When LSU played UF the first time, i knew LSU was gonna be the team to beat. It amazes that Clemson has such an easy schedule, yet still plays so well.

I was disappointed that Oregon ranked 5 over UF. Did not think that was right. I guess it was because they won the conference, but UF lost to UGA and LSU, Oregon lost to 2 very low rank teams.

I think next season is gonna be a good one overall.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Reschke on January 28, 2020, 08:18:14 AM
Is it next college football season yet?

How long do we have to wait?

Are we there yet?

Depending on when your team plays next the first games are in 209 days but who's counting....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on April 25, 2020, 08:33:42 AM
Good morning. The SEC had 40 picks in the first three rounds of the NFL draft. Most by a long shot.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on April 25, 2020, 04:54:57 PM
buckeyes had 3 go in the top 20 and if you wanna look at it this way the top 3 picks was buckeyes :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Biggamer on April 25, 2020, 04:55:31 PM
if you count burrow we had 4 in the top 20
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on April 25, 2020, 09:18:08 PM
LSU, 14 picks, 5 in 1st round
OSU, 10 picks, 3 in 1st round
Michigan, 10 picks, 1 in 1st round
Alabama, 9 picks, 4 in 1st round
Clemson, 7 picks, 2 in 1st round
Georgia, 7 picks, 2 in 1st round
Florida, 7 picks, 1 in 1st round
Utah, 7 picks -- this one surprises me
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on April 25, 2020, 11:51:15 PM
if you count burrow we had 4 in the top 20
:headscratch:   I am just slow...Bengals...I see what ya did there :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on April 26, 2020, 07:14:33 PM
LSU tied the Buckeyes for most picks in the draft modern era.  The Buckeyes also had 14 in 2004 I believe. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on May 04, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
First round PICKS SINCE 2000

Ohio St.
31
Alabama
31
Miami (FL)
30
Florida St.
24
USC
22
Florida
22
LSU
19
Georgia
19
Oklahoma
16
Texas
16
Tennessee
15
Wisconsin
15
Michigan
14
Clemson
14
Notre Dame
11
Penn St.
11
California
11
Texas A&M
11
Auburn
10
North Carolina
10
Washington
10
Mississippi
10
Boston Col.
10

76 1st Round Picks from one state.   
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on May 05, 2020, 01:53:11 AM
What about Puerto Rico?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:29:26 PM
Imagine having your season cancelled because of politics not the SEC baby. Goat conference.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:33:38 PM
Imagine having your season cancelled because of politics not the SEC baby. Goat conference.

Imagine confusing the spelling of politics and pandemic.  :huh
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:36:46 PM
Imagine confusing the spelling of politics and pandemic.  :huh
Imagine being manipulated. Youíre like a puppet on strings.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:38:22 PM
Imagine being manipulated. Youíre like a puppet on strings.

Meh. More like I'm a grown-up surrounded by 12 year olds wearing old man suits.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:40:09 PM
Will enjoy the college season. Go Aggies.!!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 12, 2020, 01:42:06 PM
Will enjoy the college season. Go Aggies.!!

That your favorite team on Xbox Madden?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 01:42:20 PM
First round PICKS SINCE 2000

Ohio St.
31
Alabama
31
Miami (FL)
30
Florida St.
24
USC
22
Florida
22
LSU
19
Georgia
19
Oklahoma
16
Texas
16
Tennessee
15
Wisconsin
15
Michigan
14
Clemson
14
Notre Dame
11
Penn St.
11
California
11
Texas A&M
11
Auburn
10
North Carolina
10
Washington
10
Mississippi
10
Boston Col.
10

76 1st Round Picks from one state.   

Interesting to know how many are still playing as I quit watching the NFL a few years a go.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 01:47:19 PM
Will enjoy the college season. Go Aggies.!!

I think we get to play yíall again this year!  I travelled to college station a few years ago. Beautiful drive. I love Texas roads and speed limits.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 12, 2020, 03:03:24 PM
I think we get to play yíall again this year!  I travelled to college station a few years ago. Beautiful drive. I love Texas roads and speed limits.

I did all my long travel in my younger years. I stay in Texas pretty much now. Have always loved my home state.

Kyle Field is pretty amazing since the upgrade.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 12, 2020, 03:09:40 PM
I did all my long travel in my younger years. I stay in Texas pretty much now. Have always loved my home state.

Kyle Field is pretty amazing since the upgrade.

My goal is to visit every SEC stadium eventually!  Kyle is for sure one of my favorites. The people there was so damn nice. Must be a Texas thing.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RotBaron on August 13, 2020, 12:45:39 PM
Didnít Big 10 cancel football for 2020? My nephew is at Northwestern and plays soccer for them, they just cancelled his season.

Some are relieved and some very disappointed on his team.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2020, 02:00:45 PM
I'm very disappointed that the Big 10 cancelled the season.  (Or potentially postponed it to spring.)

I think that players should be given the ability to play or not play, whichever they judge to be the best for their personal situations.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 02:09:58 PM
I'm very disappointed that the Big 10 cancelled the season.  (Or potentially postponed it to spring.)

I think that players should be given the ability to play or not play, whichever they judge to be the best for their personal situations.

It's a team sport with health consequences.

"Players have gotten seriously ill, however. And at least five big-time college football players have decided to forgo the season to prepare for the NFL draft, citing concerns about coronavirus transmission. Multiple schools have experienced breakouts of the virus that necessitated two-week suspensions of workouts, just days before the season is expected to ó maybe ó begin in early September. "

"Oregon State Universityís football team generates 80 percent of the athletic departmentís revenue. And the fallout could go far beyond individual universities ó the Big Ten, for instance, has a media rights deal with CBS, ESPN, and Fox worth an estimated $2.64 billion. The Pac-12 has gone so far as to pursue a massive loan, promising roughly $84 million to each member school to make up for lost revenue in case the season is canceled.

But one entity critical to college football is highly unlikely to receive a bailout: the players themselves, several of which have contracted Covid-19 and suffered serious physical consequences. In response, players in two conferences (the Pac-12 and the Big Ten) have formed unity groups, asking for better Covid-19 testing and protection. In the case of #WeAreUnited, the Pac-12 group, they also stated a willingness to boycott workouts and games unless their demands are met.

The entire apparatus of one of the countryís most popular sports depends on college students who are not compensated for their work, college students who find themselves at risk of long-term injury and now a potentially deadly virus while their coaches and administrators make millions. But in the wake of a coronavirus shake-up, players across the country are starting to stand up and say: not so fast.

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/10/21355857/college-football-coronavirus-explained
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 02:52:11 PM
It's a team sport with health consequences.

"Players have gotten seriously ill, however. And at least five big-time college football players have decided to forgo the season to prepare for the NFL draft, citing concerns about coronavirus transmission. Multiple schools have experienced breakouts of the virus that necessitated two-week suspensions of workouts, just days before the season is expected to ó maybe ó begin in early September. "

"Oregon State Universityís football team generates 80 percent of the athletic departmentís revenue. And the fallout could go far beyond individual universities ó the Big Ten, for instance, has a media rights deal with CBS, ESPN, and Fox worth an estimated $2.64 billion. The Pac-12 has gone so far as to pursue a massive loan, promising roughly $84 million to each member school to make up for lost revenue in case the season is canceled.

But one entity critical to college football is highly unlikely to receive a bailout: the players themselves, several of which have contracted Covid-19 and suffered serious physical consequences. In response, players in two conferences (the Pac-12 and the Big Ten) have formed unity groups, asking for better Covid-19 testing and protection. In the case of #WeAreUnited, the Pac-12 group, they also stated a willingness to boycott workouts and games unless their demands are met.

The entire apparatus of one of the countryís most popular sports depends on college students who are not compensated for their work, college students who find themselves at risk of long-term injury and now a potentially deadly virus while their coaches and administrators make millions. But in the wake of a coronavirus shake-up, players across the country are starting to stand up and say: not so fast.

https://www.vox.com/2020/8/10/21355857/college-football-coronavirus-explained

It should be up to the players to play or quit. They can also move on to the nfl if that is what they want to do.

I think the schools are concerned because folks want to blame everything but themselves for their own decisions

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
I also like that the system is changing so that players can get money (the whole NIL stuff that's in the works).

That's a separate issue, though.

There are going to be some players who don't want to play -- and they don't have to.  Many places made it so that a player not wanting to play for the season still has a scholarship and gets another season of eligibility.  For those people, that is a fine decision.

There are going to be some players who do want to play -- and they cannot.  Those people might feel that health risks for young, healthy people -- while certainly not zero -- are lower than the downside of a skipped season torpedoing their plans and goals.  Those people are out of luck.

Neither of those two above opinions is wrong.  Which is the correct choice for a person depends on the person, his situation, and his risk/benefit analysis.

Just because it is a team doesn't mean both opinions can't be accommodated.  The only way you can't accommodate both is if the majority of players do not want to play, and that is not the case.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 03:14:20 PM
https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/htownrush/colleges-concerned-about-longterm-heart-defects-linked-to-covid-19/285-1cc328d5-883b-4a51-a55c-5205e5ebaafe

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/myocarditis-coronavirus-big-ten-college-football/507-bfeff5eb-053c-4337-91f9-b5c9fab31a36

https://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article244812487.html

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2020/06/22/college-football-programs-hit-covid-after-resumption-voluntary-workouts

https://www.kqed.org/science/1968013/heres-why-medical-experts-say-college-football-should-be-sidelined-during-pandemic

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29548243/playing-football-vs-risking-health-decisions-facing-college-football-coaches-players

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/29/sports/coronavirus-survivors-athletes.html

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There's nothing in the articles above that inspires me to want college, pro or even high school athletes to take the risk for my entertainment. You can't block, tackle, receive, intercept or recover covid to win a game. The 'right' to spread this disease to fellow players, coaches, families and fans isn't .... right. AAMOF, it's rather immoral.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 03:23:18 PM
I think the schools are concerned because folks want to blame everything but themselves for their own decisions

The schools are concerned about money .... period.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 03:27:28 PM
The schools are concerned about money .... period.

None exist without money. Same with every business.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 03:34:37 PM
None exist without money. Same with every business.

And there is the problem. Public schools were never really meant to be businesses but have morphed into such anyhow. Public funds supported public schools just fine before the age of hyper-greed. Sports were somewhat innocently added to promote school pride and fitness. With the Covid threat, some are letting the former overshadow the latter at the expense of the student athlete as they claim to be protecting their 'freedom' (but not their health).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 03:59:08 PM
And there is the problem. Public schools were never really meant to be businesses but have morphed into such anyhow. Public funds supported public schools just fine before the age of hyper-greed. Sports were somewhat innocently added to promote school pride and fitness. With the Covid threat, some are letting the former overshadow the latter at the expense of the student athlete as they claim to be protecting their 'freedom' (but not their health).


Colleges are businesses. Always have been.

Public schools are fully supported by your tax dollars.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:04:33 PM


Colleges are businesses. Always have been.

Public schools are fully supported by your tax dollars.

State colleges and universities are upper level public schools. And yes, they've turned into businesses for profit. Which is a shame. No state university in the nation should feel threatened if a season of sports get cancelled due to a pandemic that is costing lives.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 04:10:59 PM
State colleges and universities are upper level public schools. And yes, they've turned into businesses for profit. Which is a shame. No state university in the nation should feel threatened if a season of sports get cancelled due to a pandemic that is costing lives.

Sure.... if you take the money away from the school..... you replace it from another area.... or the school shuts down. Just double tuition. That should do it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 04:14:03 PM
Sure.... if you take the money away from the school..... you replace it from another area.... or the school shuts down. Just double tuition. That should do it.

Um, tuition will keep my school afloat, as is.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 13, 2020, 04:56:09 PM
Kids are safer at school around the same people locked down in a bubble (like nba) than they would be if they all went home. I say let the kids play if they want to. Remember we are speaking about something that has a 99% survival rate. Similar to the flu ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 05:03:40 PM
Kids are safer at school around the same people locked down in a bubble (like nba) than they would be if they all went home. I say let the kids play if they want to. Remember we are speaking about something that has a 99% survival rate. Similar to the flu ;)

Remember ... the transmission rate is high ... the recovery doesn't provide immunity ... the lifelong consequences are not fully known but there are some (heart mainly but other organs as well). So, the '99% survival rate' is actually deceiving. It may have a recovery rate that's high but that doesn't mean it doesn't shorten life spans over the entire spectrum. Child sacrifice used to be frowned upon.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2020, 07:19:09 PM
Arlo, much of what appears in the news on this issue, including from many sources previously considered top tier and nonpartisan, is slanted to be sensational, or is wrong or misleading.

I say this after reading scientific papers cited as the sources for many such article,s and being able to evaluate when a study is useless or when the news article is way off base on its summary.

It is possible that much of what you think is true, news headlines notwithstanding,  about sars2 is wrong.

That is one reason why people should get to decide for themselves what to do and not have their lives decided by third parties.  Even if you think they are making the wrong decision.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2020, 07:26:39 PM
People cite the possibility of lawsuits.  But there is the possibility of lawsuits for cancelling as well.  And michigan, for example, which normally gets 180m dollars per year in football revenue, even without fans, would get an estimated 130m if the season had run.  There will also be losses to the program in following years because of the shutdown, and losses to many businesses that get football related revenue.

I do not think it was finance that drove the decision.  I think it was mainly fear of sars2 infection of players.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 13, 2020, 07:54:38 PM
But there is the possibility of lawsuits for cancelling as well.

Not so much.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 13, 2020, 09:19:47 PM
Not so much.

Lawsuit risk of cancelling football is smaller than lawsuit risk of SARS-2.  It isn't zero, however, which is true, and is all I said as a minor part of my main point.

My main point is that cancelling football is probably a financial hit, not a financial benefit -- even with lawsuit risk factored in.

If so, then cancelling football wasn't for financial gain.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on August 13, 2020, 10:02:25 PM
Oh yeah, any semi-large to large football school will take a hit from no football.

I have to imagine a major concern was the team's players going to class with everyone else and spreading it that way.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 13, 2020, 10:36:35 PM
It is not really known if it causes other issues either.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on August 13, 2020, 10:55:57 PM
I think shutting down football and most sports was the right choice. Not so sure that all sports need to be shut down, some seem like they could be done safely still.  But contact sports like football and wrestling are not among those.

I like the plan to try to play in the spring, after we find out from the NFL what happens when large men crash in to and spit all over each other.  That data will inform if a spring season can go forwards, as the vaccine likely will only be in production at that time, if they even determine there's a safe vaccine by then. 

Remember too its not just the players, you have old coaches and referees that can't do their jobs remotely and have a much higher chance of suffering severe covid consequences.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2020, 02:54:04 AM
There's nothing in the articles above that inspires me to want college, pro or even high school athletes to take the risk for my entertainment. You can't block, tackle, receive, intercept or recover covid to win a game. The 'right' to spread this disease to fellow players, coaches, families and fans isn't .... right. AAMOF, it's rather immoral.

They don't take any risk for you or me.  They want to play football and try for the NFL -- for themselves.  They want that so badly that they devote their lives to much toil and discomfort.  They do it because it is their goal and passion.

Players and coaches and fans who don't want to play don't have to do so.  Players generally are not living with their families, but for any that are, that can figure into their decision process -- same as it figures into your and my decision process on whether or not we go to a restaurant, to a friend's house, shopping on a busy day, etc.

Anyone who doesn't want to be exposed to SARS-2 can already stay away from crowds, wear masks, sanitize hands before entering home.  It isn't a player's job to keep me safe.  It's my job to keep me safe as I deem appropriate.

Of course, all of this is just a discussion for fun.  Alea iacta est.  And not by me or you.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2020, 03:33:48 AM
The more I read about it, the more I think the decision is mostly because of the new (so still tentative) information about SARS-2 and heart problems.  Folks changing their minds because the data in them seems so dire.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RotBaron on August 14, 2020, 05:53:36 AM
Where does this 99% survival rate that keeps getting mentioned here and the other thread come from?

99% for who?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 14, 2020, 07:21:31 AM
I think shutting down football and most sports was the right choice. Not so sure that all sports need to be shut down, some seem like they could be done safely still.  But contact sports like football and wrestling are not among those.

I like the plan to try to play in the spring, after we find out from the NFL what happens when large men crash in to and spit all over each other.  That data will inform if a spring season can go forwards, as the vaccine likely will only be in production at that time, if they even determine there's a safe vaccine by then. 

Remember too its not just the players, you have old coaches and referees that can't do their jobs remotely and have a much higher chance of suffering severe covid consequences.

In college, many other sports are supported by money from football. No football, no other sports.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on August 14, 2020, 08:24:27 AM
Once they sign disclaimers let them bang heads all they want.

They are young and healthy and know the risks by now.

Crazy to stop the world for something that is not much more an a flu for 98% who get it.

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RotBaron on August 14, 2020, 08:38:47 AM
Once they sign disclaimers let them bang heads all they want.

Ďnot much more an a flu for 98% who get it.í

Eagler

Again where are these numbers substantiated?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 11:12:28 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/CBtcrGV.png)
 :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 14, 2020, 11:22:23 AM
The irony is that players are more likely to die from football accidents than from Covid.

It's a shame because UF was gonna take the championship this year. You guys all lucked out you just didn't know it yet.  ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 11:32:27 AM
If so, then cancelling football wasn't for financial gain.

I will never understand how you turned my mentioning colleges and universities considering the possibility of going forth with their 2020 schedule because the money was more important than lives into ^.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 11:33:39 AM
The more I read about it, the more I think the decision is mostly because of the new (so still tentative) information about SARS-2 and heart problems.  Folks changing their minds because the data in them seems so dire.

That's called a conservative decision (aka better safe than sorry).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2020, 11:38:54 AM
Where does this 99% survival rate that keeps getting mentioned here and the other thread come from?

99% for who?

IFR (infection fatality rate -- not CFR, or case fatality rate, which is significantly different) is the probability that, if a person is infected with SARS-2, he dies.  IFR is the number of deaths divided by number of people who have gotten infected.

This is hard to determine as many people who get SARS-2 do not go to a hospital or get tested in any way.  So, places have to estimate how many people get SARS-2.

The CDC's latest estimate ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scenarios.html , table 1) is that the IFR is 0.65%.  CEBM estimates IFR is 0.28% and thinks that's will turn out to be an overestimate (see https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/ ).

So, CDC's estimate is that 99.35% of people who get SARS-2 will survive.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on August 14, 2020, 11:46:04 AM
The Horizon League just cancelled all fall sports.  Not a power 5 league but shows us where this is eventually going to end up.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
Again where are these numbers substantiated?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/05/covid-19-fact-check-coronavirus-mortality-rate-misleading/3019503001/
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 14, 2020, 12:01:41 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/CBtcrGV.png)
 :aok


 :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on August 14, 2020, 01:04:23 PM
Again with all the numbers being skewed now - no one knows the mortality rate as no one knows the true infection rate - see stories on younger adults who test +  for anti bodies and didnt even know they were sick or had a runny nose for a week.

That is not counting deaths by others causes of infected ppl charged as covid deaths for one rea$on or another

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 14, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
That is not counting deaths by others causes of infected ppl charged as covid deaths for one rea$on or another

It's called 'complicated by.'
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 14, 2020, 01:53:55 PM
Again with all the numbers being skewed now - no one knows the mortality rate as no one knows the true infection rate - see stories on younger adults who test +  for anti bodies and didnt even know they were sick or had a runny nose for a week.

That is not counting deaths by others causes of infected ppl charged as covid deaths for one rea$on or another

Eagler

Older folks just having colds or nothing at all too. Some folks in their 80s and 90s or older deal with it just fine. It is hit or miss.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 14, 2020, 03:03:35 PM
The above IFR is for a person in general.

IFR is highly age dependent.

Here are deaths by age, showing how strong the age dependence is:

(https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/coronavirus%20covid%20mortality%20us%20by%20age.png)

If IFR had that same change with age, then IFR for people aged 34 and under would be 0.0023%-0.0053%.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 14, 2020, 05:20:33 PM
The above IFR is for a person in general.

IFR is highly age dependent.

Here are deaths by age, showing how strong the age dependence is:

(https://www.acsh.org/sites/default/files/coronavirus%20covid%20mortality%20us%20by%20age.png)

If IFR had that same change with age, then IFR for people aged 34 and under would be 0.0023%-0.0053%.

so, only ten players will die?  thats not bad.  :bolt:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on August 14, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
so, only ten players will die?  thats not bad.  :bolt:

How many did they infect?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 14, 2020, 05:45:04 PM
the stats assume everyone gets sick.

reality does not match stats well.  each individual will have a outcome we can not predict.  but probably, only 1/1000 will die.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Nefarious on August 14, 2020, 05:46:12 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/L6PdZR9G/F474-A2-C6-EF51-4-FE9-913-A-D50-B083-CCEAB.jpg)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 14, 2020, 06:23:18 PM
so, only ten players will die?  thats not bad.  :bolt:

Less than 1.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RotBaron on August 15, 2020, 06:47:08 AM
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/05/covid-19-fact-check-coronavirus-mortality-rate-misleading/3019503001/

This article contradicts itself at the end and admits we donít know the true numbers, canít even put an + or - error margin on it.

Did say with 98.5%~ survival rate that itís 10x more lethal than influenza! Where did they get that number...again.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RotBaron on August 15, 2020, 06:49:00 AM
Brooke, what is IFR?


My search shows instrument flight rules, which would apply to Aces High quite well...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 15, 2020, 08:38:59 AM
They should all cancel because of differing state procedures and policies.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 15, 2020, 09:29:56 AM
Less than 1.

since we cant have a part body, that runs up to one.

you knew there was a risk.  now, who is going to give momma the jersey he used to wear?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 02:54:24 PM
Brooke, what is IFR?

For infectious diseases, it is the infection fatality rate.  It is the probability that a person who gets infected dies.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 03:10:46 PM
For infectious diseases, it is the infection fatality rate.  It is the probability that a person who gets infected dies.

Upon initial infection.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 03:23:54 PM
Upon initial infection.

Yes.  More specifically, dies as a result of the disease.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 03:31:48 PM
Yes.  More specifically, dies as a result of the disease.

No, that's something else since re-infection and long term complications are a known factor now. It'll take years to tabulate true mortality relationship.

This ain't 'just another flu.'
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 04:24:18 PM
Yes, IFR is deaths due to:

-- Being infected by the disease.
-- Within reasonable time after being infected.
-- Judged as being death due to infection.
-- Typically not from complications years after.
-- Not from car wreck on way home from hospital.
-- Not from despair over having simple things one types on message boards being nit picked to death over wording that normal people well understand.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 04:32:36 PM
-- Not from car wreck on way home from hospital.
-- Not from despair over having simple things one types on message boards being nit picked to death over wording that normal people well understand.

Want a Mulligan for your hyperbole?  :D

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 04:47:40 PM
Want a Mulligan for your hyperbole?  :D

I like Mulligans!  :aok

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 04:50:12 PM
I like Mulligans!  :aok

Then feel free to give me a more reasonable response since I wasn't unreasonable, myself.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 04:55:55 PM
OK, here you go.

(https://www.yourdictionary.com/image/articles/22240.extend-olive-branch.jpg)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 15, 2020, 05:00:20 PM
(https://www.history.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_faces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_768/MTU3OTIzNjYwOTQyNTUwNjc0/chamberlain-declares-peace-for-our-time-75-years-agos-featured-photo.jpg)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 15, 2020, 06:18:46 PM
since we cant have a part body, that runs up to one.

you knew there was a risk.  now, who is going to give momma the jersey he used to wear?
Probably more will die in car wrecks and other accidents/sickness.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 15, 2020, 06:31:57 PM
Probably more will die in car wrecks and other accidents/sickness.

A car wreck isn't going to infect 99 more people.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 15, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
Probably more will die in car wrecks and other accidents/sickness.

that is probably true. stats are pretty cold hearted. and demanding. I mean comon', your going to die anyway. why should we not want to get the china virus?  stats say were ok. well probably. Besides, we got a lot riding on you kid. that education aint free.

what other game is like this? russian roulette?  billion dollar, everyone is watching, russian roulette.

But what ever. let me get that china virus.  I can beat everything!  even a man made mutant the world has never seen. bring it on, we got a game to play!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 15, 2020, 06:41:30 PM
(https://www.history.com/.image/ar_16:9%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cg_faces:center%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_768/MTU3OTIzNjYwOTQyNTUwNjc0/chamberlain-declares-peace-for-our-time-75-years-agos-featured-photo.jpg)

 :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on August 15, 2020, 07:24:43 PM
that is probably true. stats are pretty cold hearted. and demanding. I mean comon', your going to die anyway. why should we not want to get the china virus?  stats say were ok. well probably. Besides, we got a lot riding on you kid. that education aint free.

what other game is like this? russian roulette?  billion dollar, everyone is watching, russian roulette.

But what ever. let me get that china virus.  I can beat everything!  even a man made mutant the world has never seen. bring it on, we got a game to play!

This is the attitude that has the USA in such a f##ked up state with the covid.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 15, 2020, 07:39:29 PM
explain what u mean, maybe some examples.

im lost in the toss up assumption, is he talking about the f up to take it serious, the f up to screw the economy, the f up to contain the virus, the f up to political divide, the f up to respect another, the f up to think tyranny is justified by fear, the f up to bastardize science for ones own opinion.  where is the f up?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 15, 2020, 10:46:25 PM
that is probably true. stats are pretty cold hearted. and demanding. I mean comon', your going to die anyway. why should we not want to get the china virus?  stats say were ok. well probably. Besides, we got a lot riding on you kid. that education aint free.

what other game is like this? russian roulette?  billion dollar, everyone is watching, russian roulette.

But what ever. let me get that china virus.  I can beat everything!  even a man made mutant the world has never seen. bring it on, we got a game to play!

Everyone will have covid before it is over. Many have had it and don't even know it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 15, 2020, 10:48:45 PM
This is the attitude that has the USA in such a f##ked up state with the covid.

The US is not messed up because of covid. The US is under attack from within.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on August 16, 2020, 06:39:25 AM
The US is not messed up because of covid. The US is under attack from within.

The virus is the least of our worries or should be.

This is the tool the world waited for to reset it.

They have been screwing the pooch financially for decades.

Money is worthless, we are down to negative interest rates.

You can't print trillions of dollars out of thin air and it not cause major problems.

Too bad it is also an election year where both sides want the current admin gone and will do anyghing to get their little party back to pre 2016 days...

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 20, 2020, 04:21:46 PM
Not so much.

When I said risk of lawsuits over cancelling is not zero, these now-percolating things are exactly the sort of things I had in mind.

Group Of 5 Athletic Directors Suggests Theyíll Sue Big 10 Teams Over Canceled Nonconference Games
"The B1G decided Thursday to cancel all nonconference games during the coronavirus pandemic, and that means Group of Five teams will lose millions of dollars."
https://dailycaller.com/2020/07/10/group-of-5-ad-big-10-canceled-games-lawsuit/

Attorney requests docs behind Big Ten decision to cancel season
"An attorney representing several playersí parents in the Big Ten is requesting documents from the conferenceís member institutions in an effort to gain more insight behind the decision to cancel the fall football season."
https://247sports.com/Article/Attorney-requests-documents-behind-Big-Ten-decision-to-cancel-season-150470821/

Attorney Tom Mars Requests Documents Behind Big Ten Postponement Decision
https://www.si.com/college/ohiostate/news/tom-mars-requests-documentation-from-big-ten

Michigan football parents demand reversal of Big Ten decision in letter to Schlissel, Warren
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/2020/08/17/michigan-football-parents-demand-reversal-big-ten-decision-letter-mark-schlissel-kevin-warren/5598358002/

Ohio State parents ask Big Ten to reconsider canceling season
"Due to the safety protocols put in place, our students are safer in the program than the other students who are already returning to campus."
https://247sports.com/college/ohio-state/Article/Ohio-State-football-parents-ask-Big-Ten-to-reconsider-canceling-season-150315816/

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 20, 2020, 07:54:27 PM
I dont see that one getting far, considering sate and federal guidelines do not allow such behavior.

The dog eat dog society is evolving with this issue. I hope Michigan does not loose any good talent.

Pretty selfish to want a kid to go to my school so it pads my ego.  Imagine wanting a kid to go against pandemic guidelines, so i can pad my ego?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on August 22, 2020, 12:12:04 AM
These people need to stop whining and face the fact that the NFL is going to do the health test on this and that the season isn't cancelled, just delayed to the spring.

The schools that do play, if they don't back down, will have out of control infections, period. They'll need to sue B1G schools for lost games just to pay back some bankruptcy creditors themselves from all the lawsuits from those they kill by playing the games.  Oh yeah and players suing who get complications and can't go on to the NFL due to permanent reduced heart or lung function.

What's your over/under on how many coaches and refs die from Covid at the schools that do play fall football?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 22, 2020, 03:05:31 AM
Im looking at a 5 year pandemic. so my numbers are as follows. 15,6,3,4,1
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 22, 2020, 03:20:49 AM
These people need to stop whining and face the fact that the NFL is going to do the health test on this and that the season isn't cancelled, just delayed to the spring.

Spring football has two very large disadvantages to players.

First is that spring football followed by the next season starting as usual leaves them significantly less time to heal up from a season, which is very important for their performance and probability of injury in the subsequent season.

Second is that NFL drafts are in the spring.  Players wanting to go into the 2021 draft will need to skip the 2020 season.  There are Michigan players, for example, who forwent the 2020 draft in order to play the 2020 season, to get better and to show their progress prior to the draft.  Now, they can't do that and instead lost an entire year.

It's their life.  They should get to determine such things for themselves.

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The schools that do play, if they don't back down, will have out of control infections, period.

There are parents (including some who are doctors who treat SARS-2 patients) who feel that players are less likely to get SARS-2 playing football, where things are better controlled than for the general population.

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What's your over/under on how many coaches and refs die from Covid at the schools that do play fall football?

Because of the above (football potentially being safer from infection than typical people's lives), I don't think that the number of coaches and refs to die from covid because they are involved in football would be a lot greater than the number of coaches and refs to die from covid who are not involved in football.  I think that the number of them dying from covid would not be much greater than the average for people overall in their age range.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 22, 2020, 03:32:51 AM
These people need to stop whining and face the fact that the NFL is going to do the health test on this and that the season isn't cancelled, just delayed to the spring.

The schools that do play, if they don't back down, will have out of control infections, period. They'll need to sue B1G schools for lost games just to pay back some bankruptcy creditors themselves from all the lawsuits from those they kill by playing the games.  Oh yeah and players suing who get complications and can't go on to the NFL due to permanent reduced heart or lung function.

What's your over/under on how many coaches and refs die from Covid at the schools that do play fall football?

Fear much?

I can't imaging folks who lock themselves in their home.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 22, 2020, 09:14:28 AM
Fear much?

I can't imaging folks who lock themselves in their home.
Same. If folks just turned their TV off the world would be a better place.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 22, 2020, 01:16:36 PM
If, like basketball, all of the players get tested before they play. Then be allowed to play if they test negative. They would be perfectly fine. How do you pass something if you are negative?

Given that a large # of people don't even feel sick, I feel as though its not very risky at all to play. Viruses never stopped football teams in the past.

Taking Quercetin with zinc should help you to prevent getting the virus. There are ways to fight the virus and prevent a virus without a 'vaccine". Youd think athletic doctors and trainers would be speaking out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 22, 2020, 05:57:06 PM
The real question is, why take the risk? So that universities which are both state and privately funded don't lose money? If it truly is for the players and their professional aspirations, NFL teams should simply look at the information they have from the previous year played and extensive combines, workouts, etc. in a safe environment.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 22, 2020, 07:39:55 PM
The real question is, why take the risk? So that universities which are both state and privately funded don't lose money? If it truly is for the players and their professional aspirations, NFL teams should simply look at the information they have from the previous year played and extensive combines, workouts, etc. in a safe environment.

Men take risk all the time. Just playing the game is a risk. Those that choose not to can stay home.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on August 22, 2020, 08:32:40 PM
The Greatest Generation made sacrifices for many years, so why can't their decedents?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 22, 2020, 09:20:51 PM
The real question is, why take the risk? So that universities which are both state and privately funded don't lose money? If it truly is for the players and their professional aspirations, NFL teams should simply look at the information they have from the previous year played and extensive combines, workouts, etc. in a safe environment.

The stats for that age group of football players is very low for covid deaths. They have a far bigger chance of hurting themselves worse on the field. Too me its not a risk considering the stats. Its more risky to watch the side effects of not playing destroy peoples livelyhood. Thousands of people effected financially where as maybe a couple of players test positive and probably don't even have symptoms. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 22, 2020, 09:29:13 PM
We know for a fact that people will be suffering financially and might lose their home. We are only perceiving that players might get sick and maybe die. The truth is that far more people will be put out on the street relative to maybe one or 2 players being severely ill.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 22, 2020, 10:18:05 PM
jobs created by sports are mostly part-time minimum wage. i kind of doubt that with only 8 or 10 games a year, employees make enough money to buy a house.

1 or 2 athletes getting sick or perhaps die,  doesn't sound too bad.  however how many concession stand employees or general public is acceptable to you? 10,20?

this whole thing started with 1 person.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 22, 2020, 10:36:56 PM
The idea is to quell the virus. To do that, we need less cases. If college aged kids don't die, great. But, it is still very contagious. We will never get to normal if we have this mentality of "you can't die from it." Playing college football games and welcoming fans will not help to stop the spread of the virus. Because of that simple fact, it should not happen. It is awesome that the facts claim the kids will not die, but they may still catch it and pass it. If that happens, this shut down, half capacity, no bars after 11, Cuomo chips, etc. world continues. No matter how you feel about it, I know that none of us enjoy the policies and protocols we have to deal with regarding the virus. To rid ourselves of these things, we have to take it seriously and not continue leaning on "we won't die from it" and "it's just like a cold." That mentality keeps COVID-19 in our country because people do not take it seriously, catch it, then spread it. We could follow European countries that caught it, dealt with it, and are now back to normal-ish or we could be in this virus hell for another year or more.

This will be the end of me posting about the virus.

 :cheers:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 23, 2020, 01:45:38 AM
Football players and coaches and referees are not going to budge the nation's infection rate.  There are far too few compared to people going to restaurants, beaches, bars, parties, supermarkets, Home Depots, hotels, airports, etc.

Players who so far have gotten SARS-2 got it almost entirely from life outside of football.  Football programs like Michigan were keeping players greatly more isolated than they are in regular life and testing them way more than normal population is tested.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 23, 2020, 05:54:41 AM
The idea is to quell the virus. To do that, we need less cases. If college aged kids don't die, great. But, it is still very contagious. We will never get to normal if we have this mentality of "you can't die from it." Playing college football games and welcoming fans will not help to stop the spread of the virus. Because of that simple fact, it should not happen. It is awesome that the facts claim the kids will not die, but they may still catch it and pass it. If that happens, this shut down, half capacity, no bars after 11, Cuomo chips, etc. world continues. No matter how you feel about it, I know that none of us enjoy the policies and protocols we have to deal with regarding the virus. To rid ourselves of these things, we have to take it seriously and not continue leaning on "we won't die from it" and "it's just like a cold." That mentality keeps COVID-19 in our country because people do not take it seriously, catch it, then spread it. We could follow European countries that caught it, dealt with it, and are now back to normal-ish or we could be in this virus hell for another year or more.

This will be the end of me posting about the virus.

 :cheers:

This is not going away. It may change some, but i doubt it ever goes away.

Folks can hole up in their home for as long as they want. The world can't stop and wait for them.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 23, 2020, 08:17:42 AM
Football players and coaches and referees are not going to budge the nation's infection rate.  There are far too few compared to people going to restaurants, beaches, bars, parties, supermarkets, Home Depots, hotels, airports, etc.

Players who so far have gotten SARS-2 got it almost entirely from life outside of football.  Football programs like Michigan were keeping players greatly more isolated than they are in regular life and testing them way more than normal population is tested.

Think bigger picture, Brooke. Not just the 150 people involved in one game, but all the travelling, eating, potential sightseeing, entertainment, eventual parties (college students after all), etc. Playing a football season does not help slow the spread; which should be the goal of all citizens and the government.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 23, 2020, 10:16:35 AM
The idea is to quell the virus. To do that, we need less cases. If college aged kids don't die, great. But, it is still very contagious. We will never get to normal if we have this mentality of "you can't die from it." Playing college football games and welcoming fans will not help to stop the spread of the virus. Because of that simple fact, it should not happen. It is awesome that the facts claim the kids will not die, but they may still catch it and pass it. If that happens, this shut down, half capacity, no bars after 11, Cuomo chips, etc. world continues. No matter how you feel about it, I know that none of us enjoy the policies and protocols we have to deal with regarding the virus. To rid ourselves of these things, we have to take it seriously and not continue leaning on "we won't die from it" and "it's just like a cold." That mentality keeps COVID-19 in our country because people do not take it seriously, catch it, then spread it. We could follow European countries that caught it, dealt with it, and are now back to normal-ish or we could be in this virus hell for another year or more.

This will be the end of me posting about the virus.

 :cheers:

but you will never achieve elimination.  the policy to do that has never been close to being drafted.  slowing the spread, only does that.  if you hole up for twenty years, the only thing you get is skinnier.  but when you come out, the virus is waiting.  you have to face the music some day, thats life. thats evolution.  your perspective lacks a end and is not the only way.

the promise of, if you do as i say, this will end quicker.  Is just a lie.  more like, if you do as i say, it will last longer!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on August 23, 2020, 10:55:48 AM
but you will never achieve elimination.  the policy to do that has never been close to being drafted.  slowing the spread, only does that.  if you hole up for twenty years, the only thing you get is skinnier.  but when you come out, the virus is waiting.  you have to face the music some day, thats life. thats evolution.  your perspective lacks a end and is not the only way.

the promise of, if you do as i say, this will end quicker.  Is just a lie.  more like, if you do as i say, it will last longer!

True. Once we find a vaccine, it is all good. Until then, slow the spread.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 23, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
True. Once we find a vaccine, it is all good. Until then, slow the spread.

Hehe. Yep.

I dont think we will get a vaccine like most think.  More likely something that helps.

No way am I letting my guard down.  Winter is coming...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on August 23, 2020, 07:07:37 PM
How many infections of the virus are enough?  Do we have a satisfying answer?  Taking precautions  such as wearing a mask and social distancing are common sense.

How many deaths are enough?  I mean since we're going through stats here let's hear some!  Tell me.............we're already over 200K deaths in our country.  We're not Generals or Admirals who plan on an acceptable death rate in regards to winning the battle and then the war.  We are not in a shooting war here and we can't see the enemy.  We know very little about the virus.  Even animals have been infected with the virus.  And the infected numbers rise on a daily basis.  Infections are not going down but up.  The starting QB from Georgia State was infected with the virus and now he has a heart problem.   Who's to say what is acceptable?  Is their one of such wisdom and standing that he/she can give us a suitable number?  Answer........no one at this time.  No one knows the long term effect of this disease.

Oklahoma Football had what 9 cases of the virus?  Now they have to trace back and find out who they got it from.  And also who they have may infected.  More and more High Schools are jumping off the let's play bandwagon.  Alabama is also having difficulties. 

Use common sense.  You're not only protecting yourself and your family.  You're also protecting others you may not know.  Ya...........this sucks.  It's time for a little wisdom and less chest beating.

We're generating stats on a disease we know very little about.  That is folly.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 23, 2020, 07:52:46 PM
Think bigger picture, Brooke. Not just the 150 people involved in one game, but all the travelling, eating, potential sightseeing, entertainment, eventual parties (college students after all), etc. Playing a football season does not help slow the spread; which should be the goal of all citizens and the government.

Football players are minuscule contributors compared to the number of people doing all of those things who aren't football players.  College football players are 1/10,000th of the population.  They'd have to be 1000 times more likely to catch and spread SARS-2 than average people in order to budge any averages.

Also players in active football programs might get and spread SARS-2 less than if they aren't in football programs.  When they are in the football program, they are tested frequently, isolated when sick, more isolated from non-football population at all times, and subject to much pressure to be careful about SARS-2 infection.  When they aren't in the football program, they are back to being regular college students -- and regular college students are not that careful.

In addition, yes, folks need to look at the whole picture.  Decisions can't be made looking at one number:  likelihood of spreading SARS-2.  Pursuing lower SARS-2 infections has drawbacks in other areas that need to be considered.

It's the same with automobile deaths.  You can't look at only that, or you conclude that it is best to outlaw all cars, trucks, and driving.  Doing that would reduce automobile deaths, but other problems (including some other forms of death) would rise, making it a bad choice.

It might be better for players to be in football.  They might be safer from SARS-2.  Also, not playing football might have very bad and severe consequences to chosen career path for some of them.  Or maybe not.  But no one -- not you or me or any government official or any scientist -- knows which is best.

People should be able to decide for themselves in such cases.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 23, 2020, 09:11:23 PM
VMA awards in new york are not having to go by the demanded quarantine. Strange how this virus on affects law abiding people.... don't you think.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on August 24, 2020, 04:38:09 AM
Football players are minuscule contributors compared to the number of people doing all of those things who aren't football players.  College football players are 1/10,000th of the population.  They'd have to be 1000 times more likely to catch and spread SARS-2 than average people in order to budge any averages.

Also players in active football programs might get and spread SARS-2 less than if they aren't in football programs.  When they are in the football program, they are tested frequently, isolated when sick, more isolated from non-football population at all times, and subject to much pressure to be careful about SARS-2 infection.  When they aren't in the football program, they are back to being regular college students -- and regular college students are not that careful.

In addition, yes, folks need to look at the whole picture.  Decisions can't be made looking at one number:  likelihood of spreading SARS-2.  Pursuing lower SARS-2 infections has drawbacks in other areas that need to be considered.

It's the same with automobile deaths.  You can't look at only that, or you conclude that it is best to outlaw all cars, trucks, and driving.  Doing that would reduce automobile deaths, but other problems (including some other forms of death) would rise, making it a bad choice.

It might be better for players to be in football.  They might be safer from SARS-2.  Also, not playing football might have very bad and severe consequences to chosen career path for some of them.  Or maybe not.  But no one -- not you or me or any government official or any scientist -- knows which is best.

People should be able to decide for themselves in such cases.

I agree with letting people decide.

The rest, well, statistics are not FDA approved. No percent will help when a doctor finds a problem.   Some, many have health issues this 10x flu mutant will expose.  Nobody knows.  Most of our underlying issues do not get discovered until mid life.  You do not want covid to find these issues for you.  The kid would have lived better without the covid.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 24, 2020, 07:17:16 AM


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 24, 2020, 12:32:24 PM
Broken video.............
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 24, 2020, 12:35:57 PM
I have no idea what i was posting.  long night, lots of beer.


semp

i give up, look up scott sterling on youtube
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 24, 2020, 01:28:12 PM
Apparently a whole bunch of NY Jets all tested positive, but then turns out all of test were false positives. 


Idk, I just feel like Football is a risky sport already. Any player can pull their ACL or dislocate their ankle like the UF quarterback last year and its game over, donesky. More football players end up with life long damage than any sport.  That doesnt keep them from playing it every year.

We are ruining thousands of peoples careers with the perception that some players might get covid and might feel th symptoms with a .02% chance.

It's stupid to me.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on August 25, 2020, 06:22:56 AM
Being young and in some kind of shape most of these kids have already had it or would get a runny nose from it.

I think brain damage from repeated concussions is a much larger health impact concern for many more players than covid.

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 25, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Apparently a whole bunch of NY Jets all tested positive, but then turns out all of test were false positives. 


Idk, I just feel like Football is a risky sport already. Any player can pull their ACL or dislocate their ankle like the UF quarterback last year and its game over, donesky. More football players end up with life long damage than any sport.  That doesnt keep them from playing it every year.

We are ruining thousands of peoples careers with the perception that some players might get covid and might feel th symptoms with a .02% chance.

It's stupid to me.

i would like to know how we are ruining the careers of people,  i have no saying in it and you have no saying in it either.

also when you say .02 it makes it look like that's the chance of getting covid, but that's not actually accurate. your chance of getting it depends on if you have somebody with it close to you. your risk then will actually be a lot more.

or like you mention before if you are next to a 5g tower then for sure your risk increases.

food for thought. how many players never make it pro?  this country was not born depending on sports.

we just have to adjust a little for now.  this isn't gonna last forever.

semp




Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 25, 2020, 01:55:43 PM
i would like to know how we are ruining the careers of people,  i have no saying in it and you have no saying in it either.

also when you say .02 it makes it look like that's the chance of getting covid, but that's not actually accurate. your chance of getting it depends on if you have somebody with it close to you. your risk then will actually be a lot more.

or like you mention before if you are next to a 5g tower then for sure your risk increases.

food for thought. how many players never make it pro?  this country was not born depending on sports.

we just have to adjust a little for now.  this isn't gonna last forever.

semp
This isn't about adjusting. Its about actually destroying lives financially over a perception.
Its much easier and faster to recover from a virus than it is to recover thousands of dollars that you have lost due to A. Being forced to shut down your business, C. Losing your job due to not being allowed to be open. Destroying people's lives economically has a much worse impact for everyone than Covid does. That is just a fact.

I never said 5G did anything related to covid. There were people talking about it though.  Stop saying that i said 5g was a cause.  Infact 5G will cause grave damage to animals, humans, and the environment, but I guess yall only care about that when it is something that pushes the agenda. There hasn't been one actual study of 5g that shows positive results to humans. Its dangerous to be around 60hz of frequency at all time. Infact being around our phones constantly now is not healthy. Frequency does impact cells as does covid. Go do some research on it before you make these claims that 5g is no big deal.

Do you even realize how many people get paid or have businesses associated with sports? Events companies, catering businesses, recruitment, physical and mental instructors, marketing teams. They have so many jobs in those organizations that you have never even heard of. I recon about 100K + families associated with sports will lose their cash and livelyhood because of this. Then what? You think they will just get it back when the virus is deemed to be over? This is not just a quick "adjustment" and then everything will be okay. People are losing their houses, their cars, their life, their scholarships, ect all because a few football players who want to play and know they are taking a risk MIGHT get sick. This is outrageous.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 25, 2020, 02:49:09 PM
Rumors that there is something about 5G and its 60hz that may be part of this. I'm not entirely sure how yet but Wuhan rolled it out

post 398, darkman kometh. you posted that

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 25, 2020, 04:11:53 PM
The Vols are coming in HOT ranked 25th in the nation. Big win streak. We are gonna have a grueling schedule it looks like. Lots of good competition this year in the SEC should be awesome to watch week in and week out.

I look for lots of transfers before the season. IE Justin fields etc.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 25, 2020, 06:00:15 PM
Rumors that there is something about 5G and its 60hz that may be part of this. I'm not entirely sure how yet but Wuhan rolled it out

post 398, darkman kometh. you posted that

semp

Rumors are rumors, nothing more. That's why I said rumors as the first word. I never implied it was true or something I believed in. I said I didn't know yet...
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 25, 2020, 06:21:09 PM
Rumors are rumors, nothing more. That's why I said rumors as the first word. I never implied it was true or something I believed in. I said I didn't know yet...

thank you for clarifying that.  i was about to return my 5g phone and modem.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 25, 2020, 07:51:37 PM
Looks like Brazil might have it figured out.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: MiloMorai on August 26, 2020, 06:14:39 AM
Quote
Its dangerous to be around 60hz of frequency at all time.

You are around 60Hz from the day you were born til the day you die.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 26, 2020, 03:26:46 PM
Supposedly,

5G uses 600, 850, 2500, 28000, and 39000 MHz.

4G LTE (commonly used these days) uses 600, 700, 850, 1700-2100, 1900, 2300, 2500, 5200.

The difference is the 28 and 39 GHz bands.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on August 26, 2020, 04:21:53 PM
College kids are now being arrested for throwing parties.

Isn't that the main reason they "go off to college" for?

Its a messed up world.

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 26, 2020, 06:22:41 PM
Early predictions for National championship* contenders?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on August 26, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
Since itís conference only who does Norte Dame play? 👀
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on August 26, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
Since itís conference only who does Norte Dame play? 👀

Do they still play football?   :D
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on August 27, 2020, 12:24:16 AM
Do they still play football?   :D

 :cry  :cry  :cry  :cry
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on August 31, 2020, 03:35:22 PM
New CDC revised #s show only 6% of the claimed covid deaths were by Corona only.

https://abc-7.com/news/health/2020/08/31/cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-u-s-had-contributing-conditions/

We are putting millions of families out of work and probably thousands of people on the streets for this.

No football with #s like this?

Hmmmm
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 31, 2020, 05:27:33 PM
New CDC revised #s show only 6% of the claimed covid deaths were by Corona only.

https://abc-7.com/news/health/2020/08/31/cdc-report-shows-94-of-covid-19-deaths-in-u-s-had-contributing-conditions/

We are putting millions of families out of work and probably thousands of people on the streets for this.

No football with #s like this?

Hmmmm

i have cancer, on the way to chemo,i die in an accident, so yeah, cancer killed me.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on August 31, 2020, 05:50:10 PM
i have cancer, on the way to chemo,i die in an accident, so yeah, cancer killed me.


semp

Enjoyed flyin' with ya in the event, Semp.  Sorry I was useless.  :salute :cheers:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on August 31, 2020, 06:01:28 PM
Enjoyed flyin' with ya in the event, Semp.  Sorry I was useless.  :salute :cheers:

was having fun. but had a cut on my thumb, still cleaning blood from my stick. didn't even know hitech had model pilot sound that realistic lol

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 01, 2020, 07:14:57 AM
i have cancer, on the way to chemo,i die in an accident, so yeah, cancer killed me.



semp

I think you joke here but this is exact problem with reported covid deaths - there was/ is not an accurate and constistant method used to count them.

Add more $$$ to the hospital for checkjng that box and you have what we have today - a sheet show.

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 01, 2020, 12:04:07 PM
I think you joke here but this is exact problem with reported covid deaths - there was/ is not an accurate and constistant method used to count them.

Add more $$$ to the hospital for checkjng that box and you have what we have today - a sheet show.

Eagler

there's a lot of misinformation and outright lies out there and people keep repeating them as truth.

I'll give you some that i have witnessed and really proved to be inaccurate. and these just from people at the legion

-2 guys walked in and said that kaiser was waiving all copayments if you said you had Corona virus. immediately called kaiser and asked that question,  they said if i don't then i was expected to make all copayments as required.

- another said that her sister's friend was a nurse at another hospital and said that a floor dedicated to Corona patients was empty, they didn't have a single case.  i told them my nephew and my brother's sister in law are at that hospital with Corona virus. both have recovered and are home now.

- we had a memorial for a member Saturday, she was 84 got Corona and died. she was cremated, the commander was upset telling everybody that she died of old age and Corona had nothing to do with it.

- and the famous square. a hospital that consistently lies about it will lose their medical/medicare contracts, that is a serious blow to any hospital, so they aren't gonna risk it. and any whistle-blower would get a portion of whatever gets recovered. they would have fights over who would be the first to report it. since it would be millions.

- another is the notorious underlying conditions. i have them but they aren't gonna kill me in the next week or month. so if i get covid and i die they maybe a contributing factor but covid really killed me,hence the joke about cancer.

anyway I'm out,

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 01, 2020, 02:21:58 PM
Big ten looks like they are coming back in. It was an obvious political move. CDC proved to us that we was being played. A shame really. By now all of us who didnít wear a mask should be dead. ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 01, 2020, 02:52:54 PM
i got a question, you guys find it annoying the band playing during the game? I do. I like Football but i find college and lower more exciting.

semp

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 01, 2020, 06:36:51 PM
I like college football by far the best.  I don,t watch nfl.  I did go to and watch xfl.  That was fun.  So, i,m like semp.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 01, 2020, 06:45:59 PM
So, i,m like semp.

I knew it!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 01, 2020, 07:24:04 PM
I knew it!

damn,i guess I'm a carrier now  :x

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 01, 2020, 09:12:54 PM
College is great.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 02, 2020, 06:57:54 AM
Love the band. Even more so in person.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 02, 2020, 07:01:14 AM
The "pros" of all sports have shot themselves in the foot by picking sides in the latest BS political debate

There was a time when entertainment - sports, movies - was our escape from the day to day stresses

Now they make themselves part of it as they are all "woke" up and just have to let us know how they feel so they can alienate their paying fans if those fans don't think the same way

Cant see how anyone can watch, support a sport when they have scribbled politics on their uniforms or playing fields

Spoiled and over paid - hope it bankrupts them all

Paying college kids will result in the same bs at that level soon

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 02, 2020, 09:50:25 AM
Exactly.... one of the A&M players came out and said he is not playing to support blm. Shocked if they let a racist stay on the team.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 02, 2020, 11:47:41 AM
The "pros" of all sports have shot themselves in the foot by picking sides in the latest BS political debate

There was a time when entertainment - sports, movies - was our escape from the day to day stresses

Now they make themselves part of it as they are all "woke" up and just have to let us know how they feel so they can alienate their paying fans if those fans don't think the same way

Cant see how anyone can watch, support a sport when they have scribbled politics on their uniforms or playing fields

Spoiled and over paid - hope it bankrupts them all

Paying college kids will result in the same bs at that level soon

Eagler

Somehow they believe that pandering to one eyed one horned flying purple people eaters is going to pay the bills.

Take note its a perfect example of destroying a countries traditions from the inside.

We have the most diverse country in the world with the most diverse sports programs in the world, paying the highest salaries in the world. Yet America is somehow the most racist oppressive country in the world. Surely makes you wonder who is pushing such propaganda to destroy America.

I vote we send all professional sports to China or Saudi Arabia so they can see what real freedom is like.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 02, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
Go vols! 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 02, 2020, 04:03:02 PM
violator "we" send them out of the country all the time, Olympics, world cup, international tournaments...

hate the word "we" when in comes to sports and other things. it gives people the illusion of power or control over something when in reality we have none.

as an example I like the cowboys but when people ask me which is my team, i always say none but i hope cowboys win.

anyway I'm weird like that

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: hitech on September 02, 2020, 04:10:17 PM
it gives people the illusion of power or control over something when in reality we have none.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 02, 2020, 04:18:44 PM
 :ahand



 :rofl



 :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 02, 2020, 04:22:13 PM
:ahand



 :rofl



 :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead :bhead

nothing gets past hitech  :bolt:


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on September 02, 2020, 05:46:08 PM
Yesterday I learned that the vote whether to play the season in the BIG was NOT Passed by three schools.  Ohio State, Iowa and Nebraska were the only three schools in the BIG that voted to PLAY the season.  This makes me angry.  I think there are what.14 schools in the BIG?  Let's face it the only influential team in the BIG is Ohio State.  In the last 20 years how many other teams in the BIG won a National Championship?  Answer is NONE.  OSU has won two.  If I were OSU I would put pressure on the BIG and tell them...OK...if you other namby pamby Presidents don't wish to play we will leave and petition the SEC for membership.  I think that would shake things up a bit in the BIG.

I'm pissed knowing that the president of OSU voted to play along with Iowa and Nebraska and the Commissioner did nothing to persuade the other schools to play.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 02, 2020, 08:58:11 PM
Yesterday I learned that the vote whether to play the season in the BIG was NOT Passed by three schools.  Ohio State, Iowa and Nebraska were the only three schools in the BIG that voted to PLAY the season.  This makes me angry.  I think there are what.14 schools in the BIG?  Let's face it the only influential team in the BIG is Ohio State.  In the last 20 years how many other teams in the BIG won a National Championship?  Answer is NONE.  OSU has won two.  If I were OSU I would put pressure on the BIG and tell them...OK...if you other namby pamby Presidents don't wish to play we will leave and petition the SEC for membership.  I think that would shake things up a bit in the BIG.

I'm pissed knowing that the president of OSU voted to play along with Iowa and Nebraska and the Commissioner did nothing to persuade the other schools to play.

I would love for OSU to have to play more SEC teams.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 02, 2020, 10:20:06 PM
Iowa happens to have the worst coronavirus situation in the entire country, no wonder they're ignoring science and still want to play football. I expect idiocy from SEC country but Iowa was supposed to be smarter than that, but the facts and statistics say otherwise.  And its not like they have dense population centers in Iowa, they have no excuse.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 02, 2020, 10:21:59 PM
Some light reading for those of you with college-age children:

https://www.channel3000.com/while-covid-19-cases-spike-among-children-fauci-says-colleges-shouldnt-send-infected-students-home
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 02, 2020, 10:25:19 PM
Some glitch posted this in the wrong forum. (https://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,401065.msg5315593.html#msg5315593) Nothing to see here, can delete.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 02, 2020, 10:40:43 PM
Some light reading for those of you with college-age children:

https://www.channel3000.com/while-covid-19-cases-spike-among-children-fauci-says-colleges-shouldnt-send-infected-students-home

that make sense, isolate the students in their dorms instead of going home and infect the whole family.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 02, 2020, 11:52:49 PM
Educated folks know we have been through this many times before.


If you are afraid, stay home.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 03, 2020, 02:36:02 AM
Educated folks know we have been through this many times before.


If you are afraid, stay home.

when was the last time when almost all countries in the world shut down? i don't recall that.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 03, 2020, 03:52:36 AM
when was the last time when almost all countries in the world shut down? i don't recall that.

semp

Never...   never have. Probably never again once the body count from the shut down and the damage is totaled.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 03, 2020, 06:08:46 AM
It is the perfect boogieman..

So much better than " terrorism"

It will be used again and probably very soon

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 03, 2020, 07:50:44 AM
Ohio state in the SEC?  Theyíd never make a playoff again. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on September 03, 2020, 10:55:48 AM
Ohio state in the SEC?  Theyíd never make a playoff again.

You seem not to remember the last time Ohio State played Alabama.  OSU beat them up physically as well as on the scoreboard.  And the SEC has it's cupcakes in the league also.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 03, 2020, 01:27:13 PM
https://youtu.be/jl7H4VfYtZU (https://youtu.be/jl7H4VfYtZU)

Enjoyed that game very much

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Meatwad on September 03, 2020, 02:27:48 PM
I thought they were all under a contract that they were required to play games.

If this is going to be a problem, then they need to make an amendment to the contracts - players can not opt out of playing a game due to politics/protests/etc. First offense is a fine of $1,000,000, 2 mil, 4 mil, 7 mil, then 10 mil. After the 5th offense, the player will be removed from the roster for the rest of the season with forfeiture of pay of the duration of the season. If the player holds a multi year contract, they will be placed under probation for the next year. Any repeat offense for refusing to play any game for the above reasons that would place them in violation of their contract which the player would be immediately dismissed from the team. The balance of the money owed to the player after dismissal would be null and void

But that wont happen because you know, its racist and stuff.


well apparently my wife says its scholarships, not contracts. I was thinking about the NFL.

Then the college players should instantly lose their scholarship instead and permanently ejected off the team after the 5th offense. But they wont because it would cause riots and looting at the colleges by the terrorist groups
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on September 03, 2020, 02:58:53 PM
I thought they were all under a contract that they were required to play games.

If this is going to be a problem, then they need to make an amendment to the contracts - players can not opt out of playing a game due to politics/protests/etc. First offense is a fine of $1,000,000, 2 mil, 4 mil, 7 mil, then 10 mil. After the 5th offense, the player will be removed from the roster for the rest of the season with forfeiture of pay of the duration of the season. If the player holds a multi year contract, they will be placed under probation for the next year. Any repeat offense for refusing to play any game for the above reasons that would place them in violation of their contract which the player would be immediately dismissed from the team. The balance of the money owed to the player after dismissal would be null and void

But that wont happen because you know, its racist and stuff.


well apparently my wife says its scholarships, not contracts. I was thinking about the NFL.

Then the college players should instantly lose their scholarship instead and permanently ejected off the team after the 5th offense. But they wont because it would cause riots and looting at the colleges by the terrorist groups

by rule these kids have no money. the institution and surrounding economies make a living off them, under the ruse of a free education.  The issue of contracts exposes a obvious problem. these kids should be PAID for their product.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 03, 2020, 06:41:31 PM
I'm pretty sure most nfl players dont get 400 million contracts, a few do but by that's the exception, just checked and average pay is around 2 million, falcons had the highest 4 million.

average number of years they play is 3 to 4. think about that.

college get zip.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 03, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
by rule these kids have no money. the institution and surrounding economies make a living off them, under the ruse of a free education.  The issue of contracts exposes a obvious problem. these kids should be PAID for their product.

Scholarships.....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: RUSH1 on September 04, 2020, 12:52:27 AM
by rule these kids have no money. the institution and surrounding economies make a living off them, under the ruse of a free education.  The issue of contracts exposes a obvious problem. these kids should be PAID for their product.

I'm not here to defend the overpriced universities across the country, but the players get more than a free education, which many CHOOSE not to take advantage of.  They receive free room and board, top notch healthcare, tutoring regular students can only dream of, opportunity through contacts/connections they can use later, some of the best coaching and conditioning to help them reach their goal of making millions at the next level, a guaranteed job in the offseason and finally, stipends if they come from a low income family.  The only thing I am in favor of is allowing players to profit from their likeness once they leave college.  Other than that, I feel the tradeoff is more than fair.     
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 04, 2020, 05:19:53 AM
You seem not to remember the last time Ohio State played Alabama.  OSU beat them up physically as well as on the scoreboard.  And the SEC has it's cupcakes in the league also.
Our cupcakes donít usually lose by 50+
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 04, 2020, 08:06:03 AM
Paying kids to play college sports will ruin it

Are the cheerleaders and band going make $$$ too?

Why not? If free college is not enough, where and how do you draw the line?

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 04, 2020, 08:43:06 AM
I feel like OSU having to play more than one SEC would be interesting. All it takes is 1 loss pretty much and its GG. Having to play UF and UGA for example or Alabama in one season would put a lot more stress on the players making it more difficult for them to reach a final. It would be interesting. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 04, 2020, 02:38:55 PM
I feel like OSU having to play more than one SEC would be interesting. All it takes is 1 loss pretty much and its GG. Having to play UF and UGA for example or Alabama in one season would put a lot more stress on the players making it more difficult for them to reach a final. It would be interesting. 
Oh yes. Just look at the vols schedule this year itís arguable the hardest out of the sec. Let Ohio play that and they come away with a few losses I would say. Gotta think about the physical difference. We got some BIG boys in these trenches. You wonít have 50 point shootout offensive games. Gonna be all about the defense.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: JimmyD3 on September 04, 2020, 03:50:49 PM
I stopped watching the NFL 8 years ago, the NBA 4 years ago, this year it's MLB, WNBA, and NHL. Never did watch Nascar. They aren't getting any of my money.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 04, 2020, 03:51:38 PM
Oh yes. Just look at the vols schedule this year itís arguable the hardest out of the sec. Let Ohio play that and they come away with a few losses I would say. Gotta think about the physical difference. We got some BIG boys in these trenches. You wonít have 50 point shootout offensive games. Gonna be all about the defense.

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Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 04, 2020, 04:17:29 PM
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LSU was beast mode.
When they played UF I was like F these dudes are HUGE.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 05, 2020, 06:28:49 AM
you guys have no idea what the best game has ever been.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8F9jXYOH2c0

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 05, 2020, 06:58:01 AM
Arsenl 4 - 4 Liverpool, 2009. Best game ever.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 05, 2020, 07:08:28 AM
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Not 50.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 05, 2020, 07:45:34 AM
Not 50.

LOL
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 05, 2020, 11:30:14 AM
Here we go:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/515151-indiana-university-seeing-uncontrolled-spread-of

https://mobile.twitter.com/wjcioci/status/1301964583209496576

This is going on at all schools and those football players aren't in a bubble, and are all in frats.  Some schools that think they're going to play football are going to cancel their games, others are going to cover this up and kill older referees and coaches.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 05, 2020, 12:07:42 PM
Here we go:

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/515151-indiana-university-seeing-uncontrolled-spread-of

https://mobile.twitter.com/wjcioci/status/1301964583209496576

This is going on at all schools and those football players aren't in a bubble, and are all in frats.  Some schools that think they're going to play football are going to cancel their games, others are going to cover this up and kill older referees and coaches.

They should be taking NAC, or selenium, zink, and vitamin C. Would probably help slow the ability to contract the virus.

Wouldn't want to learn about natural immune builders or anything.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: NatCigg on September 05, 2020, 12:16:40 PM
They should be taking NAC, or selenium, zink, and vitamin C. Would probably help slow the ability to contract the virus.

Wouldn't want to learn about natural immune builders or anything.

                :airplane: <------ Counter Point


                  :bhead <------ Point
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 05, 2020, 04:28:09 PM
https://xkcd.com/2355
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 05, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
They should be taking NAC, or selenium, zink, and vitamin C. Would probably help slow the ability to contract the virus.

Wouldn't want to learn about natural immune builders or anything.

beers and 7&7s. i haven't gotten the rona yet with my liquid diet.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 05, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
Ummm we.played soccer as kids at the YMCA.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 05, 2020, 06:57:51 PM
Ummm we.played soccer as kids at the YMCA.

me too, lots if fun. heck even disco to ymca.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 06, 2020, 05:52:59 AM
me too, lots if fun. heck even disco to ymca.

semp

Ummm NO.  ROTFLMAO
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 06, 2020, 11:47:27 AM
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The 1918 Pandemic Was Deadlier, but College Football Continued. Hereís Why.
World War I was first used as a reason to halt the seasonóthen to continue it


By Rachel Bachman (for the Wall Street Journal)
Updated Sept. 2, 2020 8:07 am ET

On Sept. 28, 1918, Riley Shue played in his first college football game. Eleven days later, the Miami (Ohio) guard died of the flu.

A starter at Texas also died of influenza that fall. So did a player at West Virginia, and Ohio Stateís team captain from the year before. Thatís just a few we know about. It isnít clear how many college football players died of the flu in fall 1918.

The 1918-19 flu scourge was more lethal than the current coronavirus pandemic, killing 675,000 in the U.S., and was especially fatal in 20- to 40-year-olds. Covid-19 infections have killed more than 180,000 this year, and the U.S. has more than three times the population it did a century ago.

Why would universities in 1918 forge ahead with football while a virus decimated the ranks of young, healthy men? The answer is something arguably even bigger than a global pandemic: a global war.

The lead-up to that 1918 college football season was similarly chaotic to this yearís, which starts in earnest on Thursday with about half of the nationís major college teams opting out. But the overlay of World War I made 1918 unique, and gave grim weight to the metaphor of football as a battle.

The U.S. War Department warned in September 1918 that college football could be canceled because it would distract from military training. That left many young men ďstuck on a military base with not a lot to do,Ē said Jeremy Swick, historian and curator at the College Football Hall of Fame in Atlanta.

A couple of weeks later, the government pivoted like an All-American receiver. The game could help build the aggressiveness to fight and the grit to endure grinding days in the trenches of France, it reasoned. ďIt would be difficult to overestimate the value of football experience as a part of a soldierís training,Ē President Woodrow Wilson later wrote.

It isnít clear what spurred the reversal. But military leadership at the time included giants like former Yale coach Walter Camp, who was advising the Navy on athletic activities. Wilson himself had coached football while teaching at Wesleyan University.

Military boot camps across the country had formed teams after the U.S. entered the war in April 1917, many made up of former college stars. In 1918, the mighty team at the Naval Station Great Lakes in North Chicago boasted three players later enshrined in the Pro Football Hall of Fame: George Halas, Jimmy Conzelman and John ďPaddyĒ Driscoll.

On college campuses, football teams were depleted of students whoíd left for the war, so many called upon freshmen to play. Teams also got help from the ranks of the Student Army Training Corps, on-campus boot camps set up nationwide. Some colleges played games against military teams.

The 1918 flu first surfaced in the U.S. among military personnel in spring 1918, but the resurgence caught campuses by surprise. Press censorship and wartime patriotism meant that media were inclined to ďnot fully report the ravages of the flu as the deadly second wave took off in summer and fall 1918, which was a critical final stage of the war,Ē said Christopher McKnight Nichols, director of the Center for the Humanities at Oregon State.

To prioritize training, the War Department limited football practice time and restricted travel from university campuses in October to Saturday afternoons. Overnight road trips were out.

Some teams, like Alabama and LSU, were so depleted by the war effort that theyíd already canceled their seasons. Others scrambled to remake their schedules, some booking games days or hours before kickoff.

Meanwhile the virus spread, prompting regional health authorities to ban fans from games or prohibit large gatherings. At one point all games scheduled in Illinois and Iowa were called off.

By the third week in October Michiganís team, packed with Army training corps members, was playing with masks. ďUntil further orders they will practice with the piece of gauze fastened about their mouths,Ē read a story in the Daily Pennsylvanian.

The war and the flu became intertwined. At the University of Pittsburgh, where every draft-eligible male had been conscripted into the Army training corps, a state order in early fall put the campus under quarantine, according to a 2003 story in Pitt Med magazine. ďStudents who were presumably healthy in September were now coughing, wheezing, doubling over in pain, shivering with fever, dropping where they stoodóand dying,Ē the story said.

At one point, 673 members of Pittís Army training corps contingent were hospitalized. Of those whose cases developed into pneumonia, 99 died, according to the story.

Yet on Nov. 9 the highly touted Panthers, led by coach Pop Warner, managed to start their season. They outscored their opponents 140-16 over five games, losing only to a Cleveland Naval Reserve team led by a rugged former Auburn standout named Moon Ducote. Pitt and 5-0 Michigan both claim national titles for that season, decades before a championship game existed.

Still, death hung over 1918. U.S. average life expectancy plummeted 12 years from the year before, mostly due to the flu. A December story in the Pittsburgh Press listed dozens of notable athletes whoíd died that year: A former Dartmouth quarterback killed in a German raid. The 1917 Ohio State captain, Harold Courtney, dead of pneumoniaóthe cause often given for people who contracted the flu.

The 1918 and 2020 college football seasons carry a few striking parallels.

The virus has wreaked havoc on team schedules. Without a vaccine, masks and social distancing remain two of the primary weapons to slow the pandemic. Today, billions of dollars in TV and ticket revenue are at stake in whether a season is played. Yet even in 1918, financial forces prodded college football: A late October 1918 story in the Pittsburgh Press expressed hope that West Virginia could mount a few games to raise money toward a $170 million fund for the Red Cross and other war charities.

The Mountaineers couldnít. The fluís spread forced all students off campus until Nov. 5. While away, West Virginia tackle Joseph Fuccy became ill and died.

But it wasnít the flu that finally ended the teamís season. It was time constraints placed on Army training corps players, according to a March 2020 story by WVU director of athletic content John Antonik.

West Virginiaís season was canceled Nov. 9. Two days later the armistice was signed to end the war.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 10, 2020, 01:35:46 PM
Meanwhile at Ole' Miss...

https://twitter.com/GsonJW/status/1304113475459919879
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 10, 2020, 03:14:28 PM
Thatís hilarious
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 10, 2020, 05:10:50 PM
Meanwhile at Ole' Miss...

https://twitter.com/GsonJW/status/1304113475459919879

That is pretty funny, however, probably not the same guy. His shirt and beard and background are different.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 16, 2020, 09:16:48 AM
Welcome back big ten brethren. Your conference tried to play politics and got laughed at. Letís play some football! 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 01:48:20 PM
Yay!  :aok

I'm greatly looking forward to the season.  It's a big one for Michigan, as there is a lot to see.  I'm especially interested in how offensive coordinator Gattis's offense does in its 2nd year, who is the new starting quarterback, and how he does.

And every year gives the Wolverines a chance at Ohio State.  :aok  No matter what, every year The Game is the one I look forward to the most.

This year could be the year!  I hear that Ohio State is full of 5 stars only into 3rd string.  Pretty thin.  ;)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Hajo on September 16, 2020, 01:53:40 PM
A few of the starters of the Buckeyes have opted out to prepare for the upcoming draft.  I don't blame them.  Six game schedule only.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 02:33:25 PM
It's 8 games for Big 10 plus a 9th game for Big 10 championship.

Maybe Ohio State could make it.  Long shot, but they have a chance.  :D

Ohio State is raring to go!  Might miss a few players, but plenty eager for the chance to take their places.

Same for the Wolverines.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 02:40:05 PM
SEC and Big 12 (including conference championship game) will have 11 games.

So 9 games for Big 10 champ is still decent.  (Wish it were also 11, of course.)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 16, 2020, 03:18:32 PM
Yeah... I'm not gunna hold my breath on this season even half happening:

https://twitter.com/RossDellenger/status/1306225955657129984
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 16, 2020, 03:20:33 PM
Also, I'm sure things are just fine in the SEC where they would never look the other way on mass infections:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 03:36:25 PM
I think it will go forward OK.

I don't think it will lead to spread of SARS-2 infection more than, say, flu in the past; and I think less than that because folks are using lots of precautions these days that have were used in the past for flu.

Take vitamin D3 daily supplement.

Take reasonable precautions where practical.

I think it will be OK and not worse than would happen anyway if there were no football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 16, 2020, 07:49:26 PM
Also, I'm sure things are just fine in the SEC where they would never look the other way on mass infections:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892180/lsu-coach-ed-orgeron-most-team-contracted-coronavirus

If 100 get it 100 recover just fine like anything else In life whatís the deal?  We shut a country down for less than .1% death rate. Letís play ball.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 08:10:07 PM
Turns out all Big 10 teams will have a 9-game season.  Even if not in playoff for championship, they will play the last weekend.

Sounds good!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 16, 2020, 08:43:53 PM
Canít wait! Maybe one day my Vols will see what the playoff looks like
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 16, 2020, 08:52:31 PM
The Vols have been doing very well in recruiting, getting loaded up with good players.

But the SEC is so strong, it's a tough road.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 16, 2020, 09:26:18 PM
Very happy they agreed to play the season! I feel the benefits far out way the negatives.

This benefits the players so much. You dont get to take those years back.

The people need it!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 17, 2020, 06:50:33 AM
Go Gators!

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 17, 2020, 07:37:55 AM
Go Gators!

Eagler
Gators suck!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 17, 2020, 07:53:36 AM
Calm down, children.  :old:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 17, 2020, 10:14:40 AM
Go Gators!

Eagler

Woot woot!!! We got ourselves a team this year!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 18, 2020, 09:59:37 AM
Irony: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=73077228
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 18, 2020, 10:09:04 AM
Irony: https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/story?id=73077228

Andd 42 recover just fine. Next?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 11:55:46 AM
Andd 42 recover just fine. Next?

would you work for a company that pays your school but you get no money yourself if they tell you only a couple of you will have life changing problems for the rest of your life?

easy to say it ain't so bad when it doesn't affect you.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 12:01:28 PM
easy to say it ain't so bad when it doesn't affect you.

But football is important and is worth the health risk during a pandemic says the fan desiring to be entertained.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 18, 2020, 12:09:11 PM
would you work for a company that pays your school but you get no money yourself if they tell you only a couple of you will have life changing problems for the rest of your life?

easy to say it ain't so bad when it doesn't affect you.


semp

They are getting a free education. A chance to earn millions of dollars if they play well and make it to the nfl. So yes I would play. 
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 12:13:47 PM
Andd 42 recover just fine. Next?

Seems so, as those are for testing that occurred from June through now, and there is no mention of anything more serious than just a positive test.

Obviously, also, since there have been no football games, those positive tests are not from playing in football games.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
Each player can make his own choice.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 12:21:06 PM
would you work for a company that pays your school but you get no money yourself if they tell you only a couple of you will have life changing problems for the rest of your life?

easy to say it ain't so bad when it doesn't affect you.


semp

Anyone who doesn't want to play keeps his eligibility and scholarship.  They have the freedom to not play.

I think it is good also to have freedom to play for those who want to play.  They should have ability to determine make decisions as they feel best for themselves, not be precluded from that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 12:22:46 PM
Each player can make his own choice.

Sorry, football is a team and not an individual sport.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 12:32:35 PM
Sorry, football is a team and not an individual sport.

Yes... but they are allowing those that are not really team players to take a hike if they so wish.

I believe they should lose their scholarship too  if they do not do their part for it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 12:34:00 PM
But football is important and is worth the health risk during a pandemic says the fan desiring to be entertained.

I think that players should be able both to opt out and opt in, whatever they feel is best for their own situations as they see it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
Sorry, football is a team and not an individual sport.

Which you can choose to join or not, and to play or not.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 12:47:55 PM
Which you can choose to join or not, and to play or not.

I'm pretty sure that back when I played (high school football) that half the team couldn't practically play without the other half nor could we just plug in random student bodies from the student body. This is why decisions of this nature aren't individual.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 01:18:32 PM
I'm pretty sure that back when

I think that it is best for football to be able to have games, and allow players to opt in or out as they see fit for their own situations.

I think it is better than disallowing football games, and thus players have no ability to play even if they want to do that.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 01:45:39 PM
I think that it is best for football to be able to have games, and allow players to opt in or out as they see fit for their own situations.

I think it is better than disallowing football games, and thus players have no ability to play even if they want to do that.

I've read what you think multiple times and I responded with the hole I saw in your logic. Opting in or out, individually, undermines the cohesiveness and effectiveness of a team. Players don't play football, individually. They may stand out, individually but they don't (and can't) play this sport individually. That, in itself, affects their ability to play ... even if they want to.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 02:03:53 PM
I'm pretty sure that back when I played (high school football) that half the team couldn't practically play without the other half nor could we just plug in random student bodies from the student body. This is why decisions of this nature aren't individual.

you can play football or any other sport all by yourself.  you won't be competitive but you can still play.

I played soccer, football and tennis in high school because i had fun. i quit tennis when I was a senior because the coach made it no fun for me.

used to work at an insurance company, we insured the top 5 players in the NBA. not going into details but when you read medical reports that's when you find out what they really think about team play.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 18, 2020, 02:08:52 PM
Seems so, as those are for testing that occurred from June through now, and there is no mention of anything more serious than just a positive test.

Obviously, also, since there have been no football games, those positive tests are not from playing in football games.

You canít speak with facts, logic, and reason to the coronabros. This mess just shows how much people really are sheep to their tv screens.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 02:11:08 PM
You canít speak with facts, logic, and reason to the coronabros. This mess just shows how much people really are sheep to their tv screens.

Generalized attack with political overtones.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 02:15:28 PM
You canít speak with facts, logic, and reason to the coronabros. This mess just shows how much people really are sheep to their tv screens.

actually what he gave was an opinion.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 02:24:34 PM
The ability for players to opt in or out does indeed reduce a team's authority.  That is just how it is in the US.  Teams do not have the legal authority for force players.

As for logic, here it is in math terms.

A.  If teams are allowed to play, then players can choose to play or not play.

B.  If teams are not allowed to play, players have no choice and cannot play.

I prefer A.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 02:30:05 PM
As for logic, here it is in math terms.

A.  If teams are allowed to play, then players can choose to play or not play.

B.  If teams are not allowed to play, players have no choice and cannot play.

I prefer A.

Your preference is well noted. Granted, it's not a fan vote (nor should it be).
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 02:30:43 PM
The ability for players to opt in or out does indeed reduce a team's authority.  That is just how it is in the US.  Teams do not have the legal authority for force players.

As for logic, here it is in math terms.

A.  If teams are allowed to play, then players can choose to play or not play.

B.  If teams are not allowed to play, players have no choice and cannot play.

I prefer A.

well in that case logic dictates based on you prefer A, that your opinion is based on the fact that you want to watch football and all other choices are irrelevant.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 18, 2020, 02:42:14 PM
well in that case logic dictates based on you prefer A, that your opinion is based on the fact that you want to watch football and all other choices are irrelevant.

semp

Football is a dangerous sport than can kill or injure a player for the rest of their lives. That never stopped them from playing.

The flu, or any other virus that has effected America, did not stop a season from happening even during the H1N1 outbreak.

We haven't even reached a 1% death rate for covid in America. The virus is not near as deadly as it was.

Football teams will take all of the precautions to prevent anyone from getting it.

If they wear a mask in public they should not get it (based on current logic, not necessarily facts or true science.)

College players only have a small time period in their lives to play college football. You dont get those years back to come and try again.

Not having a season could put thousands of families in major debt, lose their house, and cause economic damage that effects their health. Why do you want that?

Again, the economic risk to make people suffer is far greater than the health risk of covid. Thats just a fact.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 02:51:07 PM
well in that case logic dictates based on you prefer A, that your opinion is based on the fact that you want to watch football and all other choices are irrelevant.

semp

That post gives no reasons for my preference.  It is not logic to speculate on what that unstated reason might be.

But I'll tell you here.  :aok

I actually prefer A in all cases -- including where I am not a fan, don't follow the sport, and don't care at all about that sport -- such as NBA, NFL, and MLB, to name just a few.

The main reason for me is that I think it's typically best for individuals to have the freedom to choose.

Although I am a fan of college football, I would be opposed to players being forced to play games, for example.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 04:07:03 PM
well Brooke my logic was based on your facts on that single post. didn't say it was good or bad.

but seriously, what bothers me is the attitude of "it ain't too bad". less that 1% death rate, dead only know one thing, it's better to be alive.

perhaps I'm biased based on the fact that i am in the category of "it ain't too bad". let me tell you, it is bad, my nephew will also agree it is bad.  he's 25 with 60% lung capacity.  ask anybody where the virus affected them, then tell them, glad you took one for the team.

I don't have the virus but i got hurt at work.  wasn't to bad only 1 or 2 a year get hurt bad enough to be given a hand shake and a goodbye.

I'm not bitter, I'm not mad, worked long enough to know it happens. do i want the company shut down? no, that would be selfish of me. lots of people work there. but i wish some people's attitude of it ain't too bad, would understand that for some it is too bad.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 04:31:58 PM
I don't want any harm to anyone, of course.

I also understand that getting SARS-2 goes badly for some people.

I just feel it's better in many cases to let people decide their own courses, not to have it decided for them by others.

Every decision in life has its risks and rewards to weigh.  In this case, it is trading off these various factors:  does playing football games significantly increase odds of getting SARS-2 (compared to alternatives), risk to player of having lingering health issues from SARS-2 (as opposed to no problem at all), risk to a player's career and life path for him missing a season of football (a vital thing to some), and so on.

In general, the best person to decide what balance works best for himself is himself -- not someone else.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 04:33:11 PM
Any one of them can die driving to practice.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
Any one of them can die driving to practice.

Which is another beside the point comment.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 04:38:05 PM
Which is another beside the point comment.

Any one of them could fall of a balcony taking a selfie.


I'm on a roll here.....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 04:41:57 PM
Any one of them could fall of a balcony taking a selfie.


I'm on a troll here.....

Yes, Shuf, anybody, football player or not, can have a defunct satellite land on them or fall into the sewer and die .... on top of there being a pandemic featuring a deadly virus. Counting the various ways we can all die beats taking measures to reduce infections.  :old:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 04:44:48 PM
Selfies and, "The Snickers hole.  It's workin'!"

https://youtu.be/dKGgKGS2VCQ?t=65
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 18, 2020, 05:43:04 PM
Generalized attack with political overtones.

No attack here. Itís facts. If youíre afraid. Stay inside. Iím not so Iíll continue to run my businesses so my family can eat. Iím not gonna depend on handouts to survive.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 05:56:43 PM
Any one of them could fall of a balcony taking a selfie.


I'm on a roll here.....

my wife says i take too many selfies, always tell her because I'm too handsome, some of us are born with this affliction.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 05:59:58 PM
No attack here. Itís facts. If youíre afraid. Stay inside. Iím not so Iíll continue to run my businesses so my family can eat. Iím not gonna depend on handouts to survive.

You categorized - 'coronabros'. You projected - 'You canít speak with facts, logic, and reason' (to them - inferring that group's inability to utilize facts, logic and reason). That can only exist in an 'us versus them' environment. Those are the rawest elements of playing politics and it was indeed an attack. And you ended with adopting proud victim status that nobody in this thread was pushing you into. I wish you the best no matter how you proceed but I'm not going to play the name-calling, pointing and posturing game with you.  :old:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 18, 2020, 06:15:45 PM
because I'm too handsome, some of us are born with this affliction.

semp

I can vouch for this.  I've flown with Semp in scenarios and have witnessed his great handsomeness.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 18, 2020, 06:21:10 PM
I can vouch for this.  I've flown with Semp in scenarios and have witnessed his great handsomeness.

Oh you two-timer!  :confused:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 06:54:33 PM
Yes, Shuf, anybody, football player or not, can have a defunct satellite land on them or fall into the sewer and die .... on top of there being a pandemic featuring a deadly virus. Counting the various ways we can all die beats taking measures to reduce infections.  :old:

There is always a deadly virus out there. More than one in fact..... always.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 07:38:47 PM
There is always a deadly virus out there. More than one in fact..... always.

ex-wives or gfs don't count.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 18, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
ex-wives or gfs don't count.


semp


 :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 18, 2020, 08:23:35 PM
ex-wives or gfs don't count.


semp

 :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 18, 2020, 09:21:23 PM
showed this to my wife, told her i should have been a comedian, she said, well i always laugh when we are in bed.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 19, 2020, 07:36:19 AM
Yes, Shuf, anybody, football player or not, can have a defunct satellite land on them or fall into the sewer and die .... on top of there being a pandemic featuring a deadly virus. Counting the various ways we can all die beats taking measures to reduce infections.  :old:

And if they had  covid they are counted as covid deaths

Too much gray area btwn the numbers of deaths from or with covid to take any number reported as truth

Let the kids play ball while keeping them away from the elderly when off the field

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 19, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
no there's no gray area, you wanna make it a gray area. for example my wife, she's got bad lungs, but she's doing better than last year, if she gets covid most likely she will die. so it will count as a covid death, because without covid she will live a few years longer. no guarantees but she isn't dying right now.

you wanna make that a gray area when it isn't.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 19, 2020, 06:12:47 PM
no there's no gray area, you wanna make it a gray area. for example my wife, she's got bad lungs, but she's doing better than last year, if she gets covid most likely she will die. so it will count as a covid death, because without covid she will live a few years longer. no guarantees but she isn't dying right now.

you wanna make that a gray area when it isn't.

semp

Same with flu or anything else..... except with flu, they probably would say what the.person actually died from.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 19, 2020, 06:20:50 PM
Big 10's schedule is out.

Michigan has a fairly tough one, starting with an away vs. Minnesota.

Also, to fit in the games, no weeks off.

I'm greatly looking forward to it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 20, 2020, 01:56:52 PM
Big 10's schedule is out.

Michigan has a fairly tough one, starting with an away vs. Minnesota.

Also, to fit in the games, no weeks off.

I'm greatly looking forward to it.

You gotta feel bad for Nebraska.

Ohio state seems to get away with another easy route this year.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 20, 2020, 08:09:48 PM
I wonder if Nebraska's schedule is retribution for them rocking the boat.

Ohio State has the easiest schedule.  That also might not be total accident, since Ohio State is Big 10's top playoff contender.

Until difficulty of schedule factors significantly into playoff ranking (instead of it being mainly just record), we'll see advantages for weaker schedules.

I think rankings should be an elo system or like SP+, which take into account difficulty of opponent.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 21, 2020, 07:03:39 AM
As paranoid as everyone still seems to be about the china flu you would expect the schedules to be modified as these kids come down with the sniffles, the lightest of cases and teams are then locked down...

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 21, 2020, 02:29:47 PM
In the Big 10, assuming team+staff is about 140 people, about 10 or more being positive would cancel the week.

It is possible that a Big 10 team here or there gets knocked out for a week, but my guess is that there won't be a lot of that because of the precautions.

If a player tests positive, he is out of games for 21 days (about 1/3 of the Big 10 season) and will be monitored for heart inflammation.

(More specifics.  In the Big 10, there will be daily antigen testing.  Positives on antigen test need to be confirmed by PCR test.  If more than 5% of tests come back positive and more than 7.5% of team+staff is positive, the team must cancel that week's game.)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 21, 2020, 02:39:34 PM
china flu

They got it to stick. Dang psychology.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2020, 03:41:25 PM
They got it to stick. Dang psychology.

i remember the American flu. that was nasty.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 21, 2020, 03:59:56 PM
Spanish flu. Lyme disease... Im sure there are a few more related to where they came. No one ever cared then.

 Maybe they shouldn't be Frankensteining viruses in a lab that could severely hurt people, then negligently allowing it to escape. IMO, the virus and its name is all on them. Infact they should incinerate that lab, and fine/sanction China severely for this.

In all fairness. Maybe calling it the UN virus wouldn't be so wrong either.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2020, 04:24:27 PM
go cowboys, they played two really good games, i don't really care if they won or lose as long as they play a good game.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 21, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
It wasn't created in a lab.  :old:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 21, 2020, 04:28:34 PM
go cowboys, they played two really good games, i don't really care if they won or lose as long as they play a good game.

semp

That's the NFL, but atleast you got the sport right.  :D :aok

I am a falcons fan so I was incredibly disappointed by the last minute game winning kick after the falcons allowed the onside kick to roll right past them. Ugh. Thats rec league stuff man! 🤦‍♂️
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 21, 2020, 04:49:59 PM
It wasn't created in a lab.  :old:

 'Created' is a loaded word. CRISPR-ed is the term you are looking for.

What you dont believe the whistle blower?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 21, 2020, 04:56:48 PM
Fact check.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/09/15/covid-no-coronavirus-wasnt-created-laboratory-genetics-shows-why-15029

Now, back to football without the political conspiracy element.  :old:

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2020, 05:18:10 PM
That's the NFL, but atleast you got the sport right.  :D :aok

I am a falcons fan so I was incredibly disappointed by the last minute game winning kick after the falcons allowed the onside kick to roll right past them. Ugh. Thats rec league stuff man! 🤦‍♂️

last i heard China virus is not a college team either .
and that was a righteous kick. lost 5 bucks on that.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 21, 2020, 05:21:36 PM
Fact check.

https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/09/15/covid-no-coronavirus-wasnt-created-laboratory-genetics-shows-why-15029

Now, back to football without the political conspiracy element.  :old:

Fact check the fact check
 
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2kmxmllDqu

I am not buying that a super virus magically popped up in the middle of a huge city. Remember,  the cover story of a bat in a wet market was proven to be false.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 21, 2020, 05:34:29 PM
Fact check the fact check
 
https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.X2kmxmllDqu

I am not buying that a super virus magically popped up in the middle of a huge city. Remember,  the cover story of a bat in a wet market was proven to be false.

zenofo.org is just basically an archive website where the documents are uploaded. so basically means nothing.

put me on the payroll and I'll travel the world telling the falcons are the best team ever.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 21, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
zenofo.org is just basically an archive website where the documents are uploaded. so basically means nothing.

put me on the payroll and I'll travel the world telling the falcons are the best team ever.


semp

The whole study is there for anyone to read...

You could try your hardest to convince the world. Even falcons fans wouldn't believe ya hehehehe
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 21, 2020, 11:13:11 PM
Fact check.

Arlo, I read the paper that link is critiquing.  That article you cite looks like garbage to me, but the paper does not.  If it is, it will take a highly competent researcher in the field of coronaviruses, including gain-of-function research, to say.  That paper, and its level of evidence, is way out of the league of news or general orgs to fact check.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 22, 2020, 06:02:50 AM
https://www.acsh.org/profile/alex-berezow-phd
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 22, 2020, 06:26:48 AM
Just stating where it originated from or is that now up for debate too?

You can believe how it was created..there are many theories.

I am hoping that some of them do not start WW3 when the true magnitude of the damage is one day realized.

Now back to college football....

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on September 22, 2020, 06:31:43 AM
Now back to college football....

I'll believe it when it makes 4 pages straight without a conspiracy deviation.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 22, 2020, 08:45:01 AM
Sure is funny how "science" is a "conspiracy" when it doesn't match your current understanding. Gotta love it. Thats another reason why I don't trust the UN.

Any who, I think they need to change the current ranking system as well for college football. You cant push every good team into one conference (or can you), but I believe teams that typically rank in the top 10 should have to play some SEC teams throughout the season just to make it more fair. Ohio, Oregon, Clemson, Penn State, ect to name a few. Teams like Florida and GA and LSU ect all have much harder schedules playing themselves before getting to the final game.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 22, 2020, 03:40:46 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1308481533607587845

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRH5wzCQQw
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 22, 2020, 07:11:28 PM
https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1308481533607587845

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRH5wzCQQw

Holy crap!  7 players got covid and 7 recovered from it. Itís almost like itís soooooo deadly.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 22, 2020, 07:14:32 PM
Sure is funny how "science" is a "conspiracy" when it doesn't match your current understanding. Gotta love it. Thats another reason why I don't trust the UN.

Any who, I think they need to change the current ranking system as well for college football. You cant push every good team into one conference (or can you), but I believe teams that typically rank in the top 10 should have to play some SEC teams throughout the season just to make it more fair. Ohio, Oregon, Clemson, Penn State, ect to name a few. Teams like Florida and GA and LSU ect all have much harder schedules playing themselves before getting to the final game.



Thatís just not gonna happen. Iíd love for more out of conference scheduling. It was really cool for us to have a home and home with Oklahoma a couple years ago. This year we would have played them first but ya know politics got in the way. 

The real question is.. when are they gonna make notre dame join a conference.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 22, 2020, 07:23:24 PM
https://www.acsh.org/profile/alex-berezow-phd

It's about the same (because both are history) as thinking a person with a degree in American History is equivalent, on the topic of Scipio's tactics in the Second Punic War, to a person who has spent a career researching the pickiest, finest details of the life of Scipio Africanus.

Most everything written about that paper will end up being slanted propaganda on one side or the other.  If you care, you'll need to look for critiques by very specialized domain experts who don't have ulterior motives (such as previously published research that would be undermined by this paper, or who work for organizations with agendas for or against the findings of the paper).  Conclusions by journalists, general-science Internet goofuses, government or quasi-government orgs, scientists whose previous work would be undermined if the paper is correct, etc. -- all of that stuff will be agenda-driven propaganda.

We'll see if the paper is ever corroborated or falsified as opposed to just being put down the memory hole.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 23, 2020, 02:29:06 AM
Holy crap!  7 players got covid and 7 recovered from it. Itís almost like itís soooooo deadly.

damn they all recover in a few hours?  what do they feed them?


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 23, 2020, 07:28:10 AM
damn they all recover in a few hours?  what do they feed them?


semp
HCQ
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 23, 2020, 10:25:09 AM
HCQ

around here there's only hometown buffet.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on September 25, 2020, 12:21:23 PM
Go Gators!

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 25, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
A&M has a warm up game tomorrow.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 25, 2020, 03:22:12 PM
i may watch a couple of them now that the band is not there.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on September 26, 2020, 03:20:49 PM
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1309915756742705152

If more players test positive then Atlanta is playing a 15, maybe as low as 13, game schedule this season.  Of course there's also the possibility they test positive, the NFL sweeps it under the rug, and the Bears catch a bunch of Covid next week.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on September 26, 2020, 04:46:37 PM
Even though I think the season should have been canceled, I am excited to see my Vols tonight.  :x
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on September 26, 2020, 05:10:36 PM
was watching nc,i think earlier, was a little slow game, but not bad.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on September 26, 2020, 05:31:36 PM
Georgia is currently being beaten by Arkansas.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 26, 2020, 05:36:40 PM
Ye gods.

I just looked at scores.

Oklahoma #3 beaten by unranked Kansas State.
LSU #6 behind unranked Miss. State going into Q4.
Texas #8 and unranked Texas Tech about even going into Q4.
Georgia #4 and unranked Arkansas 13 to 10 midway through Q3.

It is an interesting weekend of football so far.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: LNG15 on September 26, 2020, 05:46:46 PM
Well my Bearcats have not been doing to bad. Not really keeping an eye on football at the moment. Just waiting for the MLB postseason to start. GO Reds!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 26, 2020, 05:51:13 PM
Georgia starting to pull ahead decently now.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 26, 2020, 09:31:20 PM
Lotta good games tonight.

Mike leech has a guy throwing 600+ lol.

Go vols.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on September 28, 2020, 11:08:32 AM
They put the gators in the top 3. I like it, but they are going to need to spruce up that defense if they want to remain there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on September 28, 2020, 02:13:20 PM
They put the gators in the top 3. I like it, but they are going to need to spruce up that defense if they want to remain there.

Florida looked great!  That taste awful coming out of my mouth.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on September 28, 2020, 02:24:20 PM
Lotta good games tonight.

Mike leech has a guy throwing 600+ lol.

Go vols.

Yeah.  I was looking as Miss State and thinking, "What the heck?"  Then I remembered Leach took over.

Things are going to be very different for Miss State.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on September 29, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
Florida looked great!  That taste awful coming out of my mouth.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :furious Ok...its 2020 I will let that slide...a little bit :devil  GO VOLS :rock
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 01, 2020, 11:35:02 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1311659111197573120

This is why my fantasy football league didn't play for money this year, as we have every other year for the past 10 years.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on October 01, 2020, 11:41:16 AM
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1311659111197573120

This is why my fantasy football league didn't play for money this year, as we have every other year for the past 10 years.
Dropped mine from 50 to 20 each this season. Might not be much of a difference but I didn't want a lot of money riding on this type of stuff. At least they're able to keep it somewhat contained. The worst situation is one person O-line fellow gets it and everyone gets it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 02, 2020, 10:18:31 AM
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :furious Ok...its 2020 I will let that slide...a little bit :devil  GO VOLS :rock
I get a pass right?  We are looking good!  Iím afraid of the middle part of our schedule. Itís brutal.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 02, 2020, 12:25:11 PM
People keep spreading this fake hoax:

https://twitter.com/jackmjenkins/status/1312068942157025280

Stop spreading fake hoaxes, guys!
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: 1stpar3 on October 04, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
I get a pass right?  We are looking good!  Iím afraid of the middle part of our schedule. Itís brutal.
:aok Yes, you have been forgiven! One Saturday at a time, one foot in front of the other..."it wont hurt if you dont see it coming" I hear? :uhoh It does sound like a "Charging Locomotive" though....dont hear the Tornado Sirens...yet! Maybe it will skip on by? CRUD!! you made me look!!! :bolt:   :rofl
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 04, 2020, 05:22:31 PM
I get a pass right?  We are looking good!  Iím afraid of the middle part of our schedule. Itís brutal.

It's always brutal.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 04, 2020, 05:45:02 PM
:aok Yes, you have been forgiven! One Saturday at a time, one foot in front of the other..."it wont hurt if you dont see it coming" I hear? :uhoh It does sound like a "Charging Locomotive" though....dont hear the Tornado Sirens...yet! Maybe it will skip on by? CRUD!! you made me look!!! :bolt:   :rofl
It's always brutal.

Boys our physical offense is gonna give UGA a helluva time I just hope we can stop them on defense.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 05, 2020, 01:22:19 AM
Wow, what a weekend of upsets.

Also, although I'm not surprised that Georgia beat Auburn, I didn't think that Auburn would get only 6 points.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 05, 2020, 12:12:16 PM
Wow, what a weekend of upsets.

Also, although I'm not surprised that Georgia beat Auburn, I didn't think that Auburn would get only 6 points.

I'm a bit nervous about playing GA after that game.

Though ill say I bet you thats Bo Nix's worst game he's ever played. AU just could not get it together...it was tough to watch.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 09, 2020, 06:17:14 PM
Some good match-ups tomorrow.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 09, 2020, 08:54:15 PM
Some good match-ups tomorrow.

Yes. Iím looking forward to the UGA v Vols.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 10, 2020, 12:42:41 AM
Yes. Iím looking forward to the UGA v Vols.

I'm thinking that can be a good one.

Also might be interesting:  Florida vs. TA&M, Texas vs. Oklahoma, and Clemson vs. Miami.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 10, 2020, 01:47:43 PM
I'm hoping the Vols beats GA. Will be a good game. 

FL defense better get it together.. sheesh. Not a top 5 defense right now.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 10, 2020, 02:28:08 PM
Welp, I guess I'll see yall next year.

Absolutely terrible defense.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 10, 2020, 03:37:09 PM
Georgia simply doesnít get holding or block in the backs called on them.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 10, 2020, 04:12:21 PM
What a damn game so far. First time ever trying Miller high life. I can feel it.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 10, 2020, 04:26:19 PM
Well A&M finally woke up.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on October 10, 2020, 04:48:30 PM
Welp, I guess I'll see yall next year.

Absolutely terrible defense.
Don't worry, defense doesn't exist in college football.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 11, 2020, 09:33:22 AM
Don't worry, defense doesn't exist in college football.

This is accurate.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 12, 2020, 10:52:45 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30102635/baylor-ad-mack-rhoades-says-outbreak-likely-linked-false-negative-covid-19-test

29 of 32 symptomatic.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 13, 2020, 10:05:31 AM
Read the whole thread:

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1315783705831628807
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 13, 2020, 01:15:56 PM
This guy^
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 13, 2020, 04:31:53 PM
Neither college nor NFL football:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/portugal-por/story/4207168/cristiano-ronaldo-tests-positive-for-coronavirusleaves-portugal-squad
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 13, 2020, 04:42:52 PM
Back on topic:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1316114846434365442
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 13, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Neither college nor NFL football:

https://www.espn.com/soccer/portugal-por/story/4207168/cristiano-ronaldo-tests-positive-for-coronavirusleaves-portugal-squad

Sucks for Juventus. Oh wait, no it doesn't. They have Dybala, Higuain, Cuadrado, Pjanic, Matuidi, Alex Sandro, and de Ligt. They'll be fine for two weeks. Especially considering they play newly promoted Crotone and Dynamo Kiev in UCL.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 13, 2020, 05:40:49 PM
So far, it looks like college football is progressing just fine.

About 95% of games have gone forward as scheduled.  Of the teams involved in postponing a game, it seems that they went on to play thereafter, and that of the players affected, the vast majority have recuperated without trouble.

Nearly all players knocked out of football are the usual football injuries.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 13, 2020, 08:28:27 PM
I am extremely suspicious about this Gators situation.

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 13, 2020, 08:31:52 PM
I am extremely suspicious about this Gators situation.

But, you are suspicious of everything  :D
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 13, 2020, 11:14:21 PM
But, you are suspicious of everything  :D

Everything happens because of a reason  :old:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 14, 2020, 06:17:50 PM
https://twitter.com/sportscenter/status/1316497247174037504
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2020, 06:57:30 PM
Coaches who tested positive for SARS-2:

Kevin Sumlin.  Was asymptomatic.  Is fine and back to work.
Mike Norvell.  Coached via Zoom while in quarantine.  Is fine and back to work.
Les Miles.  Feels OK.  Coaching via Zoom while in quarantine, which is soon completed.
Jason Candle.  Was asymptomatic.  Is fine and back to work.
Blake Anderson.  Is fine and back to work.

Here's hoping Saban doesn't have any trouble either.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 14, 2020, 07:07:25 PM
Coaches who tested positive for SARS-2:

Kevin Sumlin.  Was asymptomatic.  Is fine and back to work.
Mike Norvell.  Coached via Zoom while in quarantine.  Is fine and back to work.
Les Miles.  Feels OK.  Coaching via Zoom while in quarantine, which is soon completed.
Jason Candle.  Was asymptomatic.  Is fine and back to work.
Blake Anderson.  Is fine and back to work.

Here's hoping Saban doesn't have any trouble either.

https://www.insidehook.com/daily_brief/sports/coaches-retiring-due-to-covid

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2020, 08:02:24 PM
Arlo, you need a more scientific outlook, or you get bamboozled by news.  Either deliberately by people with agendas or unintentionally because journalists are ignorant of scientific reasoning.

There are 41,000 high schools in the US -- plus however many clubs there are.  Some schools have one coach.  Lot's of schools have several coaches (football, basketball, volleyball, track, swimming, etc.).  Let's say as a conservative estimate that there are 41,000 coaches.

US has had about 220,000 deaths out of 330 million people -- that's 220,000/330,000,000, which is 0.07%.

Your reference says 30 coaches died.  30/41,000 is 0.07% -- i.e., about the same as just an average American.

You see how they have an agenda or are scientifically ignorant or both?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 14, 2020, 08:15:55 PM
dead people only know one thing, it's better to be alive.

statistics are only of good use of you are the one alive. if you are dead, they're useless.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2020, 08:20:46 PM
No, statistics and reasoning are good for making decisions, deciding if something is good to do or foolish to do.

Otherwise you start concluding things like it is better to outlaw all cars because 30 high school coaches died in car accidents.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 14, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
Everyone in this thread demanding football entertainment aren't players or coaches. What's the statistical data say about that?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 14, 2020, 08:43:52 PM
Otherwise you start concluding things like it is better to outlaw all cars because 30 high school coaches died in car accidents.

Car fatalities are not an infectious disease.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2020, 09:36:13 PM
Car fatalities are not an infectious disease.

Infectious diseases aren't jelly donuts.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 14, 2020, 09:37:38 PM
Everyone in this thread demanding football entertainment aren't players or coaches. What's the statistical data say about that?

Outer space is where it's at.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 15, 2020, 02:50:13 AM
dead people only know one thing, it's better to be alive.

statistics are only of good use of you are the one alive. if you are dead, they're useless.


semp
full.

Inaccurate statistics are useless for everyone.....
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 15, 2020, 07:13:28 AM
Love football. Hate covid. Go vols
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 15, 2020, 12:27:21 PM
full.

Inaccurate statistics are useless for everyone.....

but who's statistics do you believe. also for example death rates no matter from whom don't tell the full picture.  not everybody fully recovers.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
but who's statistics do you believe. also for example death rates no matter from whom don't tell the full picture.  not everybody fully recovers.

Not to mention (but I will) there is no immunity when people who were infected, show severe symptoms and manage to 'recover' are reinfected by a different strain and their already compromised system goes through it all again. But ... yay team! Football (enthusiasm from the living room couch) is fun and somewhat safe.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 15, 2020, 01:22:46 PM
Not to mention (but I will) there is no immunity when people who were infected, show severe symptoms and manage to 'recover' are reinfected by a different strain and their already compromised system goes through it all again. But ... yay team! Football (enthusiasm from the living room couch) is fun and somewhat safe.

You arent considering the economic impact of restaurants and local towns that benefit from these games. The tourism that benefits the towns. All of the people involved in putting the games together. The sponsors,  the commercials, its literally probably more people than all of the covid deaths world wide that put these games together. 

I think this running death and cases count is appalling. It causes great psychological stress on the world. They want this virus seeded in your minds.

When I see one team all get 19 cases immediately after the coach called to pack the stadium, it doesn't sit right with me.

I think the risk of getting injured is higher than getting covid.

If the players and coaches were really scared, they would not play. I would not go to work if I was scared. What I see infront of my own eyes doesn't scare me. It doesn't scare them either.


Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
You arent considering the economic impact of restaurants and local towns that benefit from these games.

Don't be presumptuous. The smart play is to do things in the correct order. First, deal with the virus like other nations have because killing off customers isn't good for business.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: ACE on October 15, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
The shutdown of the economy killed 3 local restaurants so far in my area. Thankfully the governor opened the state back up a month or so ago and we are thriving again. You love to see it.

Arlo and gang.. it would be nice if you made your own covid thread and let us have football inside here please. Itís pretty annoying to say the least.

Back to football. Georgia vs Alabama who ya got???
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 03:24:10 PM
Arlo and gang.. it would be nice if you made your own covid thread and let us have football inside here please. Itís pretty annoying to say the least.

Don't talk about Covid in the football thread, then. Your problem is solved.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2020, 03:42:13 PM
Not to mention (but I will) there is no immunity when people who were infected, show severe symptoms and manage to 'recover' are reinfected by a different strain and their already compromised system goes through it all again. But ... yay team! Football (enthusiasm from the living room couch) is fun and somewhat safe.

Humans are not born with the ability to read and write or to do algebra.  If they want to do those things, they have to learn them.  Statistics and critical thinking are not skills that humans are born with either.  So, if they don't make sure to learn it and get training in it, they don't have it.

The difference between literacy and critical thinking, though, is that people who aren't literate know it.

In this case, you aren't considering one of the most-important things for making decisions:  how likely is an outcome.  According to data (and there is a lot of it), reinfection is so uncommon currently that, to several significant digits, the probability is zero.  Here, you are focusing on something that has been statistically irrelevant while ignoring things that are common and of large impact.

Your statement is equivalent to:  "Not to mention (but I will) there is no immunity to getting hit by lightning when going outside.  But . . . yay going outside!  Going outside (enthusiasm from watching through the kitchen window) is fun and somewhat safe."

Not to mention that you are assuming college football players will get more Covid if they play football games than if they don't.  I don't think that's a solid assumption.  It could be that if they were living their lives as normal college students instead of playing football games, they'd be more likely to get Covid.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 03:46:43 PM
Arrogance and an insulting manner does not count toward freeing the thread of Covid talk.  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2020, 03:54:24 PM
Anyway --

My beloved Michigan Wolverines are a week away from their 1st game:  a night away game at Minnesota.

Michigan has a new quarterback, a new offensive line, a bunch of replacements on defense, and is still working to figure out who will be the 2nd cornerback.

Minnesota went 11-2 last year, beat Auburn in the Outback bowl, ended the year ranked at #10, and is a very good team.  They return with an excellent quarterback and one of the top receivers in the nation.

So, it is a tough first game.  I am greatly looking forward to it!  :aok
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2020, 04:38:12 PM
Arrogance and an insulting manner does not count toward freeing the thread of Covid talk.  :aok

You are an intelligent guy, Arlo.  You don't know the topic of reasoning based on probability and statistics.  That doesn't make you bad or less intelligent.  I lack knowledge in lots of areas -- some of them areas where you know a lot and I don't.

For example, I don't know about the battles of the American Revolution.  Let's say you know that stuff thoroughly, and I was debating with you.  I say, "Well, in that battle, it's obvious based on common sense that Washington was thinking X, and that's why his decision was bad."  You say, "I don't know why you think imaging events based on nothing is as good as reading a bunch of books on the exact topic -- but in fact, Washington wrote down what he was thinking, which was Y, not X.  And the outcome of that decision turned out to be good not bad."

Should I be insulted?

Maybe it was to my benefit for you to point that out.

Lots of stuff in the world is better off with critical reasoning based on probability and statistics.  The vast majority of people don't know anything about that.  (Doesn't make them stupid -- means they didn't learn it.)  Best is that they know critical reasoning.  Next best is that they don't know it but understand that they don't know it.  Worst is that they don't know it but think that they do know it -- as this leads to the worst decisions and to being manipulated by agendas and BS.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 04:51:21 PM
You don't know the topic of reasoning based on probability and statistics.

That's a reckless presumption on your part. I worked as a quality control inspector in the injection molding business. It was very statistically and probability based. But project away and drag the football thread on down.  :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2020, 07:37:33 PM
That's a reckless presumption on your part. I worked as a quality control inspector in the injection molding business. It was very statistically and probability based. But project away and drag the football thread on down.  :)

Knowing basic probability and statistics, how to read a chart, how to follow procedures, etc. isn't critical reasoning.  If a person misses the most-basic features of critical reasoning, such as not considering how likely a thing is, focusing on one statistically irrelevant part of an issue while excluding other far-more-significant factors, etc., he doesn't know critical reasoning.

It's like two guys talking about WWII air combat.  The first guy says an Il-2 would be able to out dogfight a Yak-3.  The second guy says, "I can see right off the bat that you don't have expertise in aeronautical engineering."  The first guy says, "I sure do!  I have a private pilot's license.  The Il-2 has bigger wings, and bigger wings mean more lift, and more lift means better turning."

I like you, Arlo.  I like discussing with you.  Reasoning like a scientist or economist isn't your thing.  That's not an insult, just how it is.  Like me not knowing as much history as you.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 08:02:31 PM
... isn't critical reasoning.

And presuming I lack critical reasoning skills but you excel at such is insulting and arrogant, Brooke. I've had a lifetime of experiences, good and bad, that were a classroom in themself in critical thought and reasoning. From soloing at the age of eighteen to active duty military service in the U.S. Navy working with avionics to blue collar jobs involving the operation of forklifts and machines of fabrication to quality control and photolithography for Texas Instruments in a wafer fab to working for Delta Air Lines (three separate words - Delta is picky about that) to being a parent and stepparent to being a son of a quadriplegic mother and being exposed to her activism to being a husband married to an abusive spouse to being a husband blessed with his current marriage to a stroke survivor that has worked to mitigate that condition as best I can. Now I am a student of history and you want to believe that's the only thing I have any qualification or perspective in. I'm a 58 year old practitioner of critical thought and have been for most of my life. Just because you disagree with my point of view or my opinion is no reason to pretend you have a superior vantagepoint regarding such. It's belittling.

Please give this some *critical* thought before you throw such in my face again. Thank you in advance (for surely you can understand my critique as we are friends online and in game). :)
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 15, 2020, 10:01:49 PM
Sorry to have upset you, Arlo.  Sincerely.  That's not my intent.

Let me use another phrase here.  Let me call it "DSE", by which I mean deciding things the way folks do in science and economics papers.  The book Freakonomics does a great job of showing how these methods go in the context of a lot of real-world issues.

Not knowing or using DSE doesn't mean you didn't do a lot of things in your life, or think about a lot of things, or have life experiences, or go through hardships, or any of that.  Doesn't mean you don't have opinions or knowledge.  Doesn't mean you aren't a good, valuable, and admirable person -- which you are, Arlo.  :aok

It is a method and system that relatively few people know unless they were taught as scientists, engineers, or economists and worked over the course of time at changing their thinking process to work that way.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 15, 2020, 10:18:49 PM
Being a Poli Sci minor, trust me, there is a fair degree of statistical analysis in that, as well. Science is part of Political Science. Upsetting me wasn't the point. Disrespecting me was.  :salute
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 15, 2020, 11:17:30 PM
but who's statistics do you believe. also for example death rates no matter from whom don't tell the full picture.  not everybody fully recovers.

semp

People die all the time. Nothing different there.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 15, 2020, 11:20:05 PM
People die all the time. Nothing different there.

sure but do they also infect their family members?


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 16, 2020, 04:28:13 AM
sure but do they also infect their family members?


semp

Depending on what they had, yes. All through history. Contagious diseases are nothing new.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Eagler on October 16, 2020, 06:42:29 AM
sure but do they also infect their family members?

That should be their responsibility not mine or yours or the countries economy

At this point the screaming heads on cnn look and sound ridiculous to me

But hey lets get a national mandate in 3 months to have to wear useless paper masks everytime we go out into public like we are all 80 years old with pre existing conditions..

Eagler
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Puma44 on October 16, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
sure but do they also infect their family members?


semp

Every year during the annual flu season.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on October 16, 2020, 09:52:25 AM
Being a Poli Sci minor, trust me, there is a fair degree of statistical analysis in that, as well. Science is part of Political Science. Upsetting me wasn't the point. Disrespecting me was.  :salute
:confused:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 16, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
Depending on what they had, yes. All through history. Contagious diseases are nothing new.

of course, it's not a biggie, I've had the flu many times, hell one year i spent 5 days in the hospital turned into pneumonia.

this thing that has killed 215k must be the same.

you know i have never known people who have died of the flu. 5 people i know died of covid. my nephew and my brother's sister in law had it and survived. both in their 20s, just less lung capacity.


semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Brooke on October 16, 2020, 06:50:36 PM
Saban now tests negative.  He might be in the game Saturday.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 16, 2020, 07:04:53 PM
of course, it's not a biggie, I've had the flu many times, hell one year i spent 5 days in the hospital turned into pneumonia.

this thing that has killed 215k must be the same.

you know i have never known people who have died of the flu. 5 people i know died of covid. my nephew and my brother's sister in law had it and survived. both in their 20s, just less lung capacity.


semp

I know 6 people who tested positive for covid. All had cold symptoms, the rest had none. Many folks have died from the flu...... if you list all that died of something else while they had the flu.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 16, 2020, 07:38:20 PM
I know 6 people who tested positive for covid. All had cold symptoms, the rest had none. Many folks have died from the flu...... if you list all that died of something else while they had the flu.

so what you are saying is people were dying of something else within a couple of weeks then got covid.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 17, 2020, 06:34:20 AM
so what you are saying is people were dying of something else within a couple of weeks then got covid.

semp

Could be... or had covid but died of something else. Not everything is listed. Covid is surely listed because there is money to be made by doing so.

If hospitals made more money when people died with a hang nail..... well lots of folks would have that too.

I have to add that one of those I know has cancer. He tested positive and had no symptoms. He still has cancer and it will soon take him..... not covid.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: BoilerDown on October 18, 2020, 01:02:41 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/floridas-dan-mullen-learns-the-hard-way-about-covid-19-222115369.html

"It was easy to start the season. Finishing it has always been the question. Anyone who peddled something else was a fool."
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 18, 2020, 03:40:54 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/floridas-dan-mullen-learns-the-hard-way-about-covid-19-222115369.html

"It was easy to start the season. Finishing it has always been the question. Anyone who peddled something else was a fool."

Looks like he was attacked. I mean what are the odds of getting covid and your whole team getting covid right after calling to pack the stands. Looks like an attack on UF football team to me.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: guncrasher on October 18, 2020, 05:03:26 PM
Looks like he was attacked. I mean what are the odds of getting covid and your whole team getting covid right after calling to pack the stands. Looks like an attack on UF football team to me.

i found a video of lizard people going around spraying the team. it's everywhere man.

semp
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 18, 2020, 09:29:14 PM
A&M played them and has no cases.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: DmonSlyr on October 18, 2020, 11:10:00 PM
Well UF is totaled and the Braves lost game 7.

I'm out for the count on sports...  :mad:

Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Shuffler on October 19, 2020, 04:22:29 AM
Sports in my home consists of college football. All other sports died some years ago.
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: perdue3 on October 19, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
Sports in my home consists of college football. All other sports died some years ago.

No one likes my favorite sport, so I have to settle for discussions about amateurs  :frown:
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Arlo on October 19, 2020, 12:40:43 PM
No one likes my favorite sport, so I have to settle for discussions about amateurs  :frown:

That's quite a definite proclamation. What's your favorite sport? Curling?
Title: Re: College football 2019
Post by: Spikes on October 19, 2020, 12:49:36 PM
That's quite a definite proclamation. What's your favorite sport? Curling?
The only time soccer comes up is during World Cup season, and quickly fizzles out once the U.S. inevitably loses in the group stage.