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Offline CptTrips

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Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« on: May 09, 2022, 02:12:41 PM »
Bulls are dug in at S&P500 4k like the Reds at Stalingrad.  They REALLY don't want to give up that support line.

If the SP breaks below 4k and\or VIX breaks above 35, I think that represents and entirely new phase.  At that point I think we are at risk of an air pocket drop at any time.

S&P might pause a moment at 3800-3600, but I think the next solid foot hold would be S&P 3k.

My own strategy is I'm getting interested at S&P 3000, I'm starting to buy for sure at 2000. 


Will it get that low?  <Shrug>  I think there is a good chance, but don't take what I say seriously.  I'm just another muppet watching the circus scratching my head trying to make sense of it all.

I think however we are in a new paradigm compared to the last 12 years.  Before, support lines were solid, resistance lines were soft.  Now I think support lines are thin ice and the market will be banging it's head on the I-beams of resistance lines.

I get the feeling Powell is an errand boy, sent by grocery clerks, to collect a bill that's over-due.  (A butchered movie quote. ;))

[Edit]  Of course, all that might change if the Fed pivots and starts printing and QE with abandon.  But then we'll just get hyper-inflation.  Not much of a improvement.  And it might not even work.  They printed like crazy in 2008 and 2001 and didn't seem to slow down the drop until the market finished it's tantrum.

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2022, 03:48:36 PM »
Let's see how serious they are with their QT efforts..

They sure were all over QE as they were able to rain money like an overpaid pro athlete for years ... and no one complained...not much QT yet if any.

I like these whiners now who are saying the fed shouldn't be touching the interest rates...you didn't hear a peep when they were criminally lowering them during record markets...

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2022, 05:48:38 PM »


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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2022, 09:16:59 AM »


If Wed CPI numbers are promising or at least not cataclysmic, you might get a brief suckers rally.  If you are feeling over-expose to risk, that might be an opportunity to lighten up a little but don't get too enthusiastic.  It will be temporary.

After that,  QT starts June 1st.  Next Fed meeting in June another 0.5% rise  (possibly a .75% regardless of what Powell said).  It's hard to see anything but more pain from those two combined, given the violent reaction to the first 0.5% increase.

But prediction is hard.  Especially about the future.  :D
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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2022, 09:37:30 AM »
Not if reality is followed in any legitimate fashion..

The future should be a recession worse than most

Only real question - if reality is included- would be how bad and if a depression will follow
 
But if they lose their nerve and lower rates and/or stop any attempt to QT, the bubbles will restart and the can kicked again..

I predict this course of action prior to 2024 ... if nothing even crazier pops up lol

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2022, 10:40:05 AM »
Not if reality is followed in any legitimate fashion..

There will almost certainly be a recession by next year.  Pretty certain not a depression.

It will be by design.  The Fed is going to intentionally create a moderate recession to cool inflation without having to raise rates too high and blow the national debt up. 

Creating a recession will cool inflation due to demand destruction (instead of further rate hikes) by putting some people out of work and putting a little economic fear into the populace.  That will ease tight labor market as some people will be out of a job and looking for work, and demand destruction as people will feel economically vulnerable and cut back spending, thus easing inventory pressure.

That will ease inflation without having to raise rates too high.  Relying only on rate hikes alone could not cool inflation enough without making the carrying cost of the national debt unsustainable.  Recession is another tool in the Fed's kit.  Inflation will be tamed by a combination of a certain amount of rate hikes and an engineered recession together. 

It worked for Paul Volker.

 
[Edit]  Regardless, rate hikes and/or recession all spell doom for the stock market at it's current valuations. 

Just to be clear,   many feel that the Fed will pivot and start printing at the first sign of a serious market crash and/or recession.  I am NOT in that camp.  I believe the market crash (i.e. destroying the wealth effect will also help cool inflation)  and recession are intentional Fed strategies.  They are not bugs; they are features.  So despite past behavior, I do not expect the Fed to reactively start printing. 

I expect them to only consider printing if the engineered recession risks turning into a depression.  Though they may decide to pause rate hikes and QT at some point to let things stabilize or if they reach inflation ~3%.
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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2022, 11:15:09 AM »
Yes they have the money out of thin air printing tool they will fall back on again before the recession becomes a full blown depression..

I think we are in a recession now for many..

From those on inflation killing fixed incomes to new moms that can barely locate the formula their babies require

It's nothing more than a shell game most don't bother with as they don't have the extra to invest but they see it now in their 401k's taking a dump

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2022, 12:08:02 PM »
Congrats!!!

Record gasoline prices! (With no end in sight)

Way to set records!

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2022, 03:31:16 PM »
I’m amazed it took this long seeing how utterly mismanaged this country had been for so long. Greed i suppose, people trying to milk the last dollar out of the market.


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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2022, 03:54:59 PM »
Congrats!!!

Record gasoline prices! (With no end in sight)

Way to set records!

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Every country is setting record gas prices.

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2022, 03:57:18 PM »
Congrats!!!

Record gasoline prices! (With no end in sight)

Way to set records!

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Why on earth would it be at all beneficial for the Administration to purposely have high gas prices? Even if the Administration had control over it, which they do not.

Dunno why you must turn everything political. My god you are moronic.

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2022, 04:09:54 PM »
Why on earth would it be at all beneficial for the Administration to purposely have high gas prices? Even if the Administration had control over it, which they do not.

Dunno why you must turn everything political. My god you are moronic.

Easy now. I'd say blindly dedicated.

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2022, 04:13:22 PM »
Where did I say it was potato head in my post?

Where did I  blame anyone?

Guilty conscience?

Thanks for the personal attacks  :aok

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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
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Re: Da Bulls...Da Bears...
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2022, 04:25:23 PM »
Why on earth would it be at all beneficial for the Administration to purposely have high gas prices? Even if the Administration had control over it, which they do not.

Dunno why you must turn everything political. My god you are moronic.

We are capable of producing all the fuel we need here in the US. We were doing so until this administration choked things off. We were even exporting fuel. The fuel situation was already getting bad and Russia invading Ukraine just sped the issue up.

Maybe try doing a little reading. Some refer to it as educating yourself. That or you can just fall back on calling folks names and looking silly.
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