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[Brooke]

RE: Left V. Right

I've not seen an instance of parents on the left spectrum trying to purge any book from a school library.

30 seconds of poking around on Google gives you stuff like this.  And more -- I just picked a few quickly.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/banned-adventures-huckleberry-finn/
https://www.newsweek.com/kill-mockingbird-other-books-banned-california-schools-over-racism-concerns-1547241
https://www.newsweek.com/when-it-comes-banning-books-both-right-left-are-guilty-opinion-1696045

Both sides have books they don't want in their kids' libraries.  For example, for just a couple of topics among others, the left is sensitive about race, and the right is sensitive about sex.

[Brooke]

things change, you can make a political statement about it or make it about it.  but truth is kids dont want to read ham and bacon books.  my grandkids dont want to read them.  it's just that simple.

This issue of adults arguing over what should be removed from school libraries -- talk of "banned books" -- is a current news issue and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether kids themselves give a fig about any of those books.

Here's news on it if you want to know what we're talking about:

https://news.google.com/search?q=banned%20books&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

[zack1234]

Kids?

They have a point of view in nothing.

They learn to read and write.

And do as their parents say.

Makings of a teacher - they goto kindergarten , primary school , high school, university , teacher training, and back to school.

10 years in non teaching profession should be the norm before they are let loose on kids.

We all know teachers and we know the majority are not fit for purpose.

[guncrasher]

This issue of adults arguing over what should be removed from school libraries -- talk of "banned books" -- is a current news issue and has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with whether kids themselves give a fig about any of those books.

Here's news on it if you want to know what we're talking about:

https://news.google.com/search?q=banned%20books&hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

I dare you, i double dare you.  go outside and ask kids if ham and eggs is a good book. ask questions about the books you read when you were growing up.

I remember in the 80's when some grown ups tried to ban a book because it mention a good witch, because it went against their beliefs.  all witches were evil.

you want to justify now what has been going on for decades. but if you step back, you will see that it's been going around for way before you were born.  do libraries still have books your grandparents used to learn to read?

the good earth was a good book, but if you put it in today's context, it is about women being used and abused.  I knew then, and I still believe i now.

and that is the truth.

[Eagler]

My green eggs and ham comments were a joke...

Most kids don't read as they have their faces in tv or computers...same with adults these days..same reason we have record obesity.

The future will be an interesting freak show IMO

Eagler

[RotBaron]

These are the Dr Seuss books pulled “banned” around the nation:

https://abc7chicago.com/dr-seuss-chicago-public-library-banned-books-list/10403192/

Not Green Eggs & Ham.

[guncrasher]

Dr. Seuss Enterprises announced in March that it would no longer print new copies of the books And to Think That I Saw it on Mulberry Street, If I Ran the Zoo, McElligot's Pool, On Beyond Zebra!, Scrambled Eggs Super! and The Cat's Quizzer


the same 7 books banned.

[Brooke]

I dare you, i double dare you.  go outside and ask kids if ham and eggs is a good book.

Again, this has nothing to do with what kids like.  It is about left vs. right adults and what they are arguing should or shouldn't be in school libraries.

[Brooke]

the same 7 books banned.

Yes.  Those are the ones groups didn't want in schools because of racial issues.

[Brooke]

you want to justify now what has been going on for decades. but if you step back, you will see that it's been going around for way before you were born.

Yes, none of this stuff is new, as I've been saying.

Kids' school libraries do not contain all books.  No one has a problem with that.

When almost everyone agrees (Lolita, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, whatever), it is no problem, and one calls it "banning".

When 2 groups disagree (Huck Finn, some woke book, whatever), then one side accuses the other of "banning."

[Shuffler]

Yes.  Those are the ones groups didn't want in schools because of racial issues.

It is easy to spot racist, they always make everything about race. No matter how trivial or simple, they always compare everything to race and try to find a way it bothers them.

[Arlo]

It is easy to spot racist, they always make everything about race. No matter how trivial or simple, they always compare everything to race and try to find a way it bothers them.

Is that really your definition of racist?

Try this instead:

rac·ism

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another.

It is a form of prejudice

a liking or dislike for one rather than another especially without good reason She has a prejudice against department stores. 2 : a feeling of unfair dislike directed against an individual or a group because of some characteristic (as race or religion) 3 : injury or damage to a person's rights.

And no ... recognizing racism for what it is doesn't make me the racist. Attempting such reasoning is spurious at best.

[RotBaron]

It is easy to spot racist, they always make everything about race. No matter how trivial or simple, they always compare everything to race and try to find a way it bothers them.

Indeed.

The Seuss books were removed for exactly that.

MLK would be ashamed that content of character still is not the focus.

[Arlo]

MLK would be ashamed that content of character still is not the focus.

Here's a picture of Nazis burning books that threatened their hatred/fear of all 'others':

[Brooke]

Here's a picture of Nazis burning books that threatened their hatred/fear of all 'others':

National Socialism was absolutely bad.

The books they burned were largely ones about Marxism, pacifism, anti-war (i.e., against National Socialism and its pro-war effort) or written by Jewish authors.  The ones officially banned in Nazi Germany were these:


In 1946, the Allied occupation force, specifically the Coordinating Committee, destroyed and banned all "'undemocratic, militaristic and Nazi' literature, museum and library material, newspapers, films and war memorials."
https://web.archive.org/web/20090627064410/http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,776847,00.html