Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[CptTrips]

There are two ways if that doesn't happen:
1.  Refutation is fake.
2.  Refutation is true, but the refuters aren't called in.

Well, as i said, and as Andrew Mccarthy pointed out, there are larger issues at stake. 

However, I do believe the committee should put any one up publicly, televised, under oath, if they have contradictory testimony.  I think they are obligated to since they televised Hutchinson.  But I'm not in charge.

AS to fake refutation... that's why I won't trust fully trust Ornato.  He is a political appointee.  I suspect you don't get there without being all-in Trumper.  Engle is also suspect.  I doubt you get his position as a Never-Trumper.

There is supposedly an unnamed SS driver who was present.  That is the testimony I want.  It's possible you don't get on Trump's detail at all without being a true believer, but I'm willing to wager that a low level agent, under oath, testifying televised in front of the Congress of the United States is going to decide to be completely honest.   

But as Mccarthy pointed out,  this is a minor question compared to the other issues.

[FLS]

So the oil and farming are scams?

Are they trendy fads were you live?

[CptTrips]

hen-President Donald Trump angrily demanded to go to the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, and berated his protective detail when he didn't get his way, according to two Secret Service sources who say they heard about the incident from multiple agents, including the driver of the presidential SUV where it occurred.

https://us.cnn.com/2022/07/01/politics/secret-service-lunging-incident/index.html

Again, I think televised, public testimony under oath in front of the Congress of the United States might have magical powers in concentrating people's minds and jogging their memories.

[Eagler]

As to the OP, TDS stories do not qualify...

We have been overdosed with them by a bias media since he announced his 2016 run...

Eagler

[Brooke]

most of that oil is sold overseas.  we have plenty of oil now, 

Price of crude oil:

what we don't have is refineries.

US refinery production:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTRX_NUS_1&f=M

Might be both cost of crude increasing and production decreasing, not just one or the other.

because well they're making a killing anyway, why reopen the others.

Maybe.  But the total profit is volume x price, not just price.

If refining isn't a monopoly, I think that if a business could quickly and an inexpensively get more production on line, they would do it.  Their volume and profit would go up a lot.  But it takes a large amount of time and money to build a refinery.  A business has to look at what the situation will be 5-10 years from now, and the for the next 20 years after that -- not just the current condition.

People don't seem to have the same feelings toward cattle ranchers and meat-packing plants as toward oil companies and refining.  Yet beef prices today are 100% higher than in 2018 ( https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/beef ).

[knorB]

How do you know that?

I understand reasonable skepticism, but you seem to be stating that with absolute confidence.

Hutchinson was only conveying what she had been told.  I'd like to see testimony under oath of the agent who was driving before making a final judgement.

Would you agree that would be a reasonable step?

Perhaps the ss agents willing to testify so?

[CptTrips]

Perhaps the ss agents willing to testify so?

Well, I'll withhold final judgement until I see the driver's testimony under oath.

I haven't seen that yet.  Have you?

[guncrasher]

Price of crude oil:

(Image removed from quote.)

US refinery production:

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTRX_NUS_1&f=M

Might be both cost of crude increasing and production decreasing, not just one or the other.

Maybe.  But the total profit is volume x price, not just price.

If refining isn't a monopoly, I think that if a business could quickly and an inexpensively get more production on line, they would do it.  Their volume and profit would go up a lot.  But it takes a large amount of time and money to build a refinery.  A business has to look at what the situation will be 5-10 years from now, and the for the next 20 years after that -- not just the current condition.

People don't seem to have the same feelings toward cattle ranchers and meat-packing plants as toward oil companies and refining.  Yet beef prices today are 100% higher than in 2018 ( https://tradingeconomics.com/commodity/beef ).

your link shows as of march production is less than last year.  a lot less than 2018 or even 2008.


semp

[MiloMorai]

Well, I'll withhold final judgement until I see the driver's testimony under oath.

I haven't seen that yet.  Have you?

The agents can't be relied on to be truthful from other statements they have said in the past.

[Brooke]

that's why I won't trust

Everything is agenda and propaganda these days.

It's all bigger factions wrestling over brainwashing the plebeians.

[CptTrips]

Everything is agenda and propaganda these days.

It's all bigger factions wrestling over brainwashing the plebeians.

Oh come on.  Surely you can see there is reasonable justification to be skeptical of a political appointees testimony when self-interest and allegiance are involved. 

The driver may decide to lie too, but if I have to take the word of anyone in that SUV, I'll gamble that a line SS agent has the least skin in the game and would be least likely to lie to protect Trump.

Hey you know I asked a captain of the Gambino family if their bosses had ever done anything illegal and he said absolutely not.  So I guess they are clean.

[Brooke]

your link shows as of march production is less than last year.  a lot less than 2018 or even 2008.

semp

Yes.  Production is 7% less than in March 2018.

And oil price is 50% higher than March 2018.

That's why I thought higher gas prices are caused by both higher cost of oil *and* lower production.

Not just one or just the other.

[Brooke]

Oh come on.

Yep.

But I'm skeptical of the whole thing.

To me, Jan 6 is political theater, that will avoid the majority of the most-important issues.

[guncrasher]

Oh come on.  Surely you can see there is reasonable justification to be skeptical of a political appointees testimony when self-interest and allegiance are involved. 

The driver may decide to lie too, but if I have to take the word of anyone in that SUV, I'll gamble that a line SS agent has the least skin in the game and would be least likely to lie to protect Trump.

Hey you know I asked a captain of the Gambino family if their bosses had ever done anything illegal and he said absolutely not.  So I guess they are clean.

remember during the Clinton investigation the secret service went to court to stop agents from testifying? I know they saw something, they must have.

now you have 2 agents willing to testify.  weird.

now the lady just testified to hearsay. who knows if it's true or not.

I just find it curious that ss would allow them to testify.


semp

[CptTrips]

Yep.

But I'm skeptical of the whole thing.

To me, Jan 6 is political theater, that will avoid the majority of the most-important issues.

Are you old enough to remember how many Republican's said the same thing about Watergate?  Was Watergate just political theater?

In my opinion this whole Jan6 debacle is SEVERAL orders of magnitude worse than Watergate.  I give it even odds that Trump will be indicted eventually.