Something you won't find in your mainstream media

[CptTrips]

remember during the Clinton investigation the secret service went to court to stop agents from testifying? I know they saw something, they must have.

Yes.  I understand why they take that stance.  But there is a big difference between not testifying and perjury.

I wouldn't put perjury past Ornato.  Maybe Engle too.  But I'm hoping a a line SS agent, while preferring not tot testify, wouldn't go so far as to commit perjury before Congress.

But if you televise Hutchinson, you are really obligated to televise any conflicting testimony too.

[Brooke]

Are you old enough to remember how many Republican's said the same thing about Watergate?  Was Watergate just political theater?

Yes, but today we have weaponized far better tools of propaganda.  And today everyone -- reporters, news agencies, politicians, government departments, corporations, people in general -- are ardent partisans.

In my opinion this whole Jan6 debacle is SEVERAL orders of magnitude worse than Watergate.

Me, too.

But there are two camps.

One believes there was no stolen election, that Trump whipped up his supporters to violence, and that Jan 6 was an attempted overthrow of the government.

Another believes that there was a stolen election, that Trump told his supporters to protest peacefully, and that Jan 6 was a protest that got out of hand -- in part thanks to Fed provocateurs.

Neither camp will convince the other no matter what they say or what evidence they show.

Same as with the Kennedy assassination.

One group believes that Oswald, acting on his own, killed Kennedy.  That was the conclusion of the official investigation.  That is what is taught in schools.

Another group believes it was a CIA and/or mob plot, with Oswald as a tool.

[Busher]

Yes, but today we have weaponized far better tools of propaganda.  And today everyone -- reporters, news agencies, politicians, government departments, corporations, people in general -- are ardent partisans.

Me, too.

But there are two camps.

One believes there was no stolen election, that Trump whipped up his supporters to violence, and that Jan 6 was an attempted overthrow of the government.

Another believes that there was a stolen election, that Trump told his supporters to protest peacefully, and that Jan 6 was a protest that got out of hand -- in part thanks to Fed provocateurs.

Neither camp will convince the other no matter what they say or what evidence they show.

Same as with the Kennedy assassination.

One group believes that Oswald, acting on his own, killed Kennedy.  That was the conclusion of the official investigation.  That is what is taught in schools.

Another group believes it was a CIA and/or mob plot, with Oswald as a tool.

I agree with your summary completely. The Jan 6 Committee Summary report will be nothing more than study material for historians.... unless the Department of Justice finds evidence of criminal activity. If that never happens, this debate is mute.

[CptTrips]

Yes, but today we have weaponized far better tools of propaganda.  And today everyone -- reporters, news agencies, politicians, government departments, corporations, people in general -- are ardent partisans.

It's always been that way.  Not only in America's history, but across the history of the human race.  If you saw some of the inflammatory journalism from before the Civil War or even the early days of political campaign, it would make todays media look tame.

 

Me, too.

But there are two camps.

It doesn't matter.  People are entitled to their own opinions, but not their own reality.  Eventually reality isn't subjective.  Things claimed either happened or they didn't.  People may decide never admit it, but that doesn't change reality.

I held back judgement at first claims of fraud because even though I despise Trump, I'd be one of the first locked and loaded on the barricades if there had actually been a hacked election.  Not to defend Trump, but to defend the system.  However it became obvious pretty quickly there was no there there.  In none of the 60 court cases Trump filed did his attorney even claim voter fraud had occurred.   You can claim what ever you want on the DailyStormer forums, but not even Guliani had the nerve to look a federal judge in the face and lie in court.  Guliani admitted directly in several cases that he was alleging no fraud.  Despite saying completely different crap on faux news. 

In my opinion the Trumpers we are dealing with today are just a re-hashed version of the John Birchers that William F. Buckley had to stand up against in the 60's.  Sadly, I see few of his stature in the Conservative movement today.  Today, the John Birchers have taken over the Republican party and Conservatives who know better have either retired, left the party, or decided to deal with the Devil to get another tax cut.

BTW, up until 2016 I had been a Republican leaning independent who had voted Republican since Reagan.   At this point I don't think the Republican party can be salvaged.  The rot has gotten in too deep.  I think it needs to split.   





 

[knorB]

Well, I'll withhold final judgement until I see the driver's testimony under oath.

I haven't seen that yet.  Have you?

You won't because the kangaroo court refuses to call them.  Shame pelosi blocked Rep house leaders from picking who'd sit in on the show trial.

[RotBaron]

sure a captain would do that.  and somebody just happened to capture it.  I am more inclined to believe steve bannor did not steal all that money from the wall.

btw if you want I can send you screen shots of an army general asking my wife for her phone number on Facebook.


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https://www.tiktok.com/@rahasenfratz/video/7107604349534178602

This is the Sgt. Have you watched it yet, you know since it her TikTok acct and not on Breitbart?

The Army Capt mentioned in my post is the beginning of the article I linked, you would know that if you read the link.

Why would it be inconceivable that an Army General would ask you wife for her #? 

[CptTrips]

You won't because the kangaroo court refuses to call them.  Shame pelosi blocked Rep house leaders from picking who'd sit in on the show trial.

Pelosi rejected 2 of the five Republican members McCarthy submitted because they already had information that those individuals would likely be persons of interest in the investigation.  Obviously that would not be appropriate to have them on the committee itself.  McCarthy withdrew the other 3 himself.

I'm not aware the commission has blocked the testimony of the SS agent driver.  Do you have a legitimate source reference for that information?

[MiloMorai]

Pelosi rejected 2 of the five Republican members McCarthy submitted because they already had information that those individuals would likely be persons of interest in the investigation.  Obviously that would not be appropriate to have them on the committee itself.  McCarthy withdrew the other 3 himself.

I'm not aware the commission has blocked the testimony of the SS agent driver.  Do you have a legitimate source reference for that information?

Don't let facts get in the way of truth for some people.

Also, Trump blames McCarthy for not have more Repubs on the panel.

[RotBaron]

I wonder how many SS agents LBJ lunged at  .   Probably a monthly occurrence.

[MiloMorai]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/put-a-fork-in-donald-trump-the-ex-president-is-done

Mark it on your calendars. This was the week the meteoric political career of Donald Trump did what meteors often do and collided with planet Earth, leaving a large, ugly mark on the landscape.

The fact that Trump may soon announce his candidacy for the presidency in the days ahead is itself more of a sign of his political collapse than it is of any strength he may have. The first time he ran for president, he did it because he thought it would boost his brand. This time he is likely to do it because he thinks it may make him more difficult to prosecute. And because he can use it to mount one last big attempt to fleece his supporters.

Everywhere you looked this week there were stories that were the debris thrown into the air when Trump re-entered the atmosphere and, like all other space junk, turned into a bright orange fireball heading for oblivion. There were the revelations of White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson to the Jan. 6 committee and the reactions to her shocking, credible stories of a demented president who actively wanted to lead an armed insurrection against the U.S. governments. There were the actions of the Trump Supreme Court, which may itself be seen over the next few decades as the place the cratering president left his ugliest, most lasting mark. There was also the sight of Trump’s successor in Europe undoing the damage the 45th president sought to inflict on NATO and redoubling the Western alliance’s commitment to containing the threat posed by Trump’s benefactor, Vladimir Putin. There was even a reminder left hanging in the air of the sleazoid past of America’s worst president with the sentencing of Ghislaine Maxwell for her participation in sex trafficking on behalf of the late Trump pal and party buddy Jeffrey Epstein.

[CptTrips]

Don't let facts get in the way of truth for some people.

Also, Trump blames McCarthy for not have more Repubs on the panel.

Correction.  I think they knew they were going to need to subpoena Jordan.  So that would be kinda awkward to have him on the committee. 

Banks is just a loon of the MTG variety.  He was even sending letters around claiming to already be on the committee. 

The other 3 were acceptable and McCarthy could have replaced the other two if he wanted Republicans representation.  Pelosi had the authority to veto any or all of McCarthy's submissions if she pleased.

[MiloMorai]

I wonder how many SS agents LBJ lunged at  .   Probably a monthly occurrence.

I wonder how many TVs Trump has destroyed while watching the J6 hearings.

[knorB]

I'm not aware the commission has blocked the testimony of the SS agent driver.  Do you have a legitimate source reference for that information?

When you refuse to call them, it's not blocking.

[RotBaron]

I wonder how many TVs Trump has destroyed while watching the J6 hearings.

Perseverating on the past helps you ignore and provide cover for how abysmal the current administration is; good tactic or else you might take to drink just to sleep at night.

[guncrasher]

https://www.tiktok.com/@rahasenfratz/video/7107604349534178602

This is the Sgt. Have you watched it yet, you know since it her TikTok acct and not on Breitbart?

The Army Capt mentioned in my post is the beginning of the article I linked, you would know that if you read the link.

Why would it be inconceivable that an Army General would ask you wife for her #? 

because the army general was a scammer. seen lots of scammers outthere using real pictures.

but sure tiktock is different then again I never go there.


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