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Offline Max

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MA aircraft corner speed chart
« on: August 27, 2022, 04:40:58 PM »
Does one exist anywhere?

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2022, 06:06:40 PM »
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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2022, 06:17:03 PM »
I don't know of any. It's likely somewhere between 220-280 for most WW2 fighters. Once you start turning you're slowing down so then you're somewhere in your maneuvering speed range, you can't stay at corner speed. The exception being when you trade altitude for speed to make up for the drag.

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2022, 10:30:23 PM »
"BadBoy" use to make up those charts. You can still find them for some of the planes if you search well.

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2022, 08:18:53 AM »
The energy maneuverability graphs were for single aircraft but they're useful if you can find them. Badboy said HTC can't post them here any more but they may still be on other sites.

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2022, 12:38:20 PM »
I don't know of any. It's likely somewhere between 220-280 for most WW2 fighters. Once you start turning you're slowing down so then you're somewhere in your maneuvering speed range, you can't stay at corner speed. The exception being when you trade altitude for speed to make up for the drag.

That's about where the Spit 16 likes to turn, pretty sure the other Spits have a slightly lower corner speed.
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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2022, 11:15:02 PM »
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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2022, 09:29:34 AM »
Multiply the clean stall speed by 2.44, this will give you the CV given the in game 6g blackout.

So a plane with a 100mph clean stall speed will have a 244 mph corner speed,above that and you will be able to pull into a black out,below that and you’ll stall a wing before blacking out.

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2022, 11:56:58 AM »
Does one exist anywhere?

Suggest PMing Badboy and ask for reference material.  In the meantime, Morf’s formula is a good basis to work off of.  Knowledge of your favorite ride’s corner velocity is a valuable skill to have in your tool kit.



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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #9 on: September 02, 2022, 07:49:55 AM »
Suggest PMing Badboy and ask for reference material.  In the meantime, Morf’s formula is a good basis to work off of.

Leon (Badboy/ Badz), told me awhile back that he had lost a lot of the older em diagrams/ charts he created when he took his server / site down...not sure how much he plays these days...you still can check with him via PM

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Knowledge of your favorite ride’s corner velocity is a valuable skill to have in your tool kit.

I think it's valuable knowledge to know the corner speed of all the different aircraft types!

I think it is a valuable asset and skill to have in your abilities as long as you know how to use your aircraft's corner speed to your advantage while at the same time using  your opponents corner speed of their aircraft,  against them

This takes several years to completely get and learn how to use properly.... only the player committed to learning everything they can and continously testing, training and practicing will get you to the ultimate goal

So it's up to the trainee,  student , player to decide how much they really want to become the best they can

Hope this helps

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #10 on: September 02, 2022, 09:06:14 PM »
Multiply the clean stall speed by 2.44, this will give you the CV given the in game 6g blackout.

So a plane with a 100mph clean stall speed will have a 244 mph corner speed,above that and you will be able to pull into a black out,below that and you’ll stall a wing before blacking out.

What's the significance of the 2.44? Where does that figure come from?
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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2022, 09:47:31 AM »
What's the significance of the 2.44? Where does that figure come from?


It’s the square root of 6. We use 6 as the g limit in game as that’s the g load that blacks you out.

  If you are above corner speed you can pull enough “g” to black out below corner and you become G limited and will stall before you can pull enough G to black out. Planes like the zero have a low CV so they can make a max G turn at much lower speeds than say a P51.

That said remember no WW2 plane can maintain Cv for very long so you must descend to keep the speed up. Players often confuse radious and rate,radious is how large or small the turn circle is and rate is how many degrees per second a plane turns. Planes with a high turn rate can often catch a plane with a lower rate but a small radious,they just need to stay turning which doesn’t happen very often.

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #12 on: October 05, 2022, 08:23:57 PM »
Hi

Here is some flight test data produced by my old Bootstrap calculator that was going to be used as part of the classroom content for the AH Training Academy.

It is still current and what I use myself for quick reference... and I think, never before seen.



The bootstrap calculator used that data to produce a variety of one circle and two circle images that made the data easier to interpret like the one below:



The EM diagrams contained all of the information found in the Bootstrap calculator, but all on one diagram like this one for the P38 with the full range of flaps shown below:



However, the EM diagrams were better for doing dissimilar aircraft comparisons like this one of the P51D and 109G6 overlay. Not only can you see the best sustained and instantaneous turn rate comparisons, but you can compare energy retention and top speeds all on the same chart as shown below:

 


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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #13 on: October 05, 2022, 11:30:30 PM »
Thank you Badboy!  Much appreciated

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Re: MA aircraft corner speed chart
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2022, 08:50:36 AM »
Thanks for sharing those Badboy....great info!!

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