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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #90 on: June 17, 2024, 12:25:19 PM »
Amazing to think that only 13 years after WWII a plane would fly that could carry twice the bomb load of a B-17 and do Mach 2 plus.

Yep!  Amazing leap in technology.  Also, proof that a refrigerator could go supersonic with enough horsepower behind it.






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« Reply #91 on: June 17, 2024, 12:32:41 PM »
That is some very cool pics......................... ......
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2024, 02:46:43 PM »
That is some very cool pics......................... ......

I will admit. I read this thread just for Puma's pictures.   :salute :salute :salute
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« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2024, 05:11:02 PM »
I will admit. I read this thread just for Puma's pictures.   :salute :salute :salute

Well then, here are a couple more:

















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« Reply #94 on: June 17, 2024, 05:12:37 PM »
Well then, here are a couple more:











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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #95 on: June 17, 2024, 05:38:05 PM »
Here goes another 127 pages of dcs. Today’s biggest killer of AH.

Frankly I might leave AH just to not hear about dcs buzz-killer snore sim

I hope dcs goes u der with their financial issues.

Figures the same 3-4 started this one. May your investments be evaporated
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #96 on: June 17, 2024, 05:48:20 PM »



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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #97 on: June 17, 2024, 06:10:29 PM »


I imagine in DCS, Dive Toss works perfectly every time.

No it does not work every time.

I come in at a steep 45 degree angle. Halfway down to target I put it in afterburn and the release as I am pulling away.
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« Reply #98 on: June 17, 2024, 06:35:54 PM »
Interesting thread on dcs refusing refunds for broken products, and bleak future. According to those NOT selling it in AH bbs, leaving out details, some good points and spending warnings. Basically reality

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« Reply #99 on: June 17, 2024, 06:46:09 PM »
Another point I found, ED is using ED money to fund private aircraft collections......which means it's not used for dev. May explain the real reason for not paying bills. They sound like rock stars on coke about to blow it all.
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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #100 on: June 17, 2024, 08:17:36 PM »
No it does not work every time.

I come in at a steep 45 degree angle. Halfway down to target I put it in afterburn and the release as I am pulling away.

Try saving the AB until you’ve rotated the pitch angle toward the horizon.  Accelerating downhill could be part of the issue with DT not working.  Also, drop from a stabilized dive angle.  With that much acceleration and pitch rotation, there’s a lot more calculating for the squirrel cage to accomplish.  Never would have considered lighting the burners diving at the ground, low altitude.  That’s a lot of closure rate with a hard surface, and as we all know, the ground always wins.
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« Reply #101 on: June 17, 2024, 09:01:37 PM »


Could you have ever toss bombed a tac-nuke in F-4?  Did you train for that? 

Would you have survived?


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« Reply #102 on: June 17, 2024, 09:31:24 PM »
I thought a toss bomb would be released on the up hill part of the flight path. After "tossing" the bomb upward you finish the top of your loop or upward path roll over, hit the AB and get out of dodge before the bomb reaches its apex of the toss and drops back to earth on the target.

Thats the way I saw it work when they did it with the F14s off my carrier.

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« Reply #103 on: June 17, 2024, 10:53:23 PM »

Could you have ever toss bombed a tac-nuke in F-4?  Did you train for that? 

Would you have survived?


We practiced laydown (level at 500’ & 500 kts) and loft (toss at 500’ & 500 kts until the pull cue) nuke deliveries.  Survivable? Who knows?  No one ever tried it for real that I’m aware of.  I’m sure most guys like me, would consider 500 kts the slow part of the delivery.

I thought a toss bomb would be released on the up hill part of the flight path. After "tossing" the bomb upward you finish the top of your loop or upward path roll over, hit the AB and get out of dodge before the bomb reaches its apex of the toss and drops back to earth on the target.

Thats the way I saw it work when they did it with the F14s off my carrier.

Yeah, that’s pretty much how it worked.  As soon as the nuke was pickled off, it was time for warp speed and get as far away as possible. 

At low altitude, the safe escape distance was  less because of air density.  If memory serves correctly, at surface launches with the Genie off the F-106 had firing ranges close to half a mile.  For those deliveries, it was an immediate max G, 135 degree turn, accelerating to high Mach to get away from the blast, flash, etc.




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Re: Puma44 Please Help This F4 Manual is Overloading My Brain
« Reply #104 on: June 18, 2024, 05:53:11 AM »
Does one really ever get away from a nuke?

Talk about them today as if they would be an alternative weapon choice is absolutely insane

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