GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES

[Dadtallica]

Midwar will only have pilots go to the uber plane of the time frame...

But no jets!

[guncrasher]

How's this for an idea; do away with perks.  Give EVERYONE a limited number of the uber fighters a month, and limit the maximum kills they can score in a month in all of the uber fighters.  Say one 262 per month, 5 tempests, 8 pony d's, 8 -4 Corsairs, 8 190 D-9's, etc.  They would certainly not be in the arena as much.  Give unlimited Spit V's , 109G-2's, etc.  This would ensure there would be turn fights with minimal running and picking.  limit altitude around the forward edge of a battle area, say 10k max, above that BRUTAL down winds.  around strats, let it go up to 20 Kft.  But most importantly, go back to dot dar for everything, and below 100 feet above ground level, nobody can see a plane, on either side. 

Same approach for tanks, uber tanks only get so many per month, and only so many kills in ubers. Make an uber arena, unlimited altitude, any fighter, any time.    Just a thought.

Dieter

I dont fly the pony then I quit.  only reason I have a paid membership. no pony, no money.


semp

[trogdor]

How about making the cost of a perked plane a rate, rather than a flat fee? And have the rate apply whether or not you land the sortie.

That is to say, you would be spending perks for as long as you fly a perked plane (like a taxi meter). Of course, you would still earn perks for destroying other aircraft. Such a scheme would penalize timid play (low Kills/time tactics) while rewarding more aggressive play. The perk-cost rates could be scaled using the existing ENY system.

Done properly, you would spend fewer perks on a sortie in which you aggressively engaged in combat and lost a fight than one in which you avoided fights and accomplished little.

[Oldman731]

I dont fly the pony then I quit.  only reason I have a paid membership. no pony, no money.

Why is that?

- oldman

[DmonSlyr]

Midwar will only have pilots go to the uber plane of the time frame...

I think that is some what of a fallacy. The Uber plane of midwar I believe is the P38j. If I'm not mistaken. Though it was taken down a notch it feels after the last surprising P38 update. The 190A5 perhaps second, but a P47D25 can give it a run (is that midwar?). In anycase, they aren't "as Uber" as the difference between a 109G14 vs a Temp let's say. Midwar planes have a lot more relative speeds and dives and would in a sense tighten up the furballs and battles. You'd probably see a lot more different types of planes as well. Just like going to WW1 planes makes them very very tight. My point is that Midwar creates better battles because there isn't as big of separation in the plane performances like there is Latewar. You have to get closer to get kills and can't just speed away as easily when you overshoot.

[guncrasher]

Why is that?

- oldman

grew up reading stories about ponies. I wanted to grow up and fly one.  this is as close as I get.

flying German planes I'll leave it to scenario.


semp

[Animl-AW]

grew up reading stories about ponies. I wanted to grow up and fly one.  this is as close as I get.

flying German planes I'll leave it to scenario.


semp

Same here. The 51 and spit are simply iconic and draws.

I'm actually better in a 190A5 than a pony, just love flyin it.

[HollyWood750]

The 190A5 perhaps second, but a P47D25 can give it a run (is that midwar?). In anycase, they aren't "

Violator, the D25 is classified as late-war, unfortunately. The D11 is mid-war. When I realized I was relatively close (about 500 kills) to the "get 2500 kills in a mid-war plane", I had to do a tiny bit of research on the plane information pages to pick out a decent mid-war ride. I thought a D25 would be the ticket, but since we (the US) were latecomers to the scene, most of our heavy metal birds are considered mid or late war.  Luckily, I was able to transition to the D11 fairly easily, and it's been a decent ride.  Rear visibility is sorely lacking, but it's still a jug! 

30 kills away... 

 

-HlyWd

[CAV]

"GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES"

I started combat Flight Sims back in AW in the early 90s...

The only system That I have seen that works is.....

Rollin Plane Sets,      Some will hate it, but it works and is best for keeping FSOs and scenarios alive. And make better over all players in the game.

It also opens up a lot more planes to add to the plane. (If that was ever to happen again)

CAV

[icepac]

The newest planes of the arena date only available from rear fields for the first few hours of availability.    Then they are available at any field.   

The KI44 might be better than the p38g.

[Animl-AW]

Just a thought to ponder

A plane is only as uber as the pilot.
This stuff where 109s are substandard compared to a 51 is more of an argument by date.
Seeing how I fly the iconic 51 most times, the plane that has probably killed me the most are 109s.

I may fly the 51 the most, most my kills are prolly in the A5.

Its not so much the model as it is who pilots it.

A newbie in a 51 is not much to worry about and it helps balance different skill levels, even if slight.

Ya wanna a newbie to be forced to fly a more substandard plane, get his clock ckeaned too much to learn anything, gets frustrated and leaves.

Wanna know how to fight an @uber” plane? Learn it.

51 BnZ
109 TnB

They are different mindsets. 51 was not built to TnB, nor the 109 to BnZ.
If a 109 catches a slow 51 he prolly going to own it, and vice versa in the opposite.

Ya can’t win every situation and no planes should be dumbed down to make it so.

Using a 109 for HOs with nose guns and potato rounds is kinda uber dweebish.

All this IMO

I think the plane-set is fine as is.
Nit-picking any game is normal, in every game.

Some of this nit-picking is small beans snd just tells me everything else major is ok.

Ya want numbers? Offer help, not insults.

<runs>




That said, a 109 pot was complaining about 51 guns in a scenario.

[DmonSlyr]

"GET OUT OF THE NOOB PLANES"

I started combat Flight Sims back in AW in the early 90s...

The only system That I have seen that works is.....

Rollin Plane Sets,      Some will hate it, but it works and is best for keeping FSOs and scenarios alive. And make better over all players in the game.

It also opens up a lot more planes to add to the plane. (If that was ever to happen again)

CAV

Rolling plane set is great for FSO and special events and I agree it makes for better fights, but wouldn't work in the MA, you'd have to structure maps by the years as you wouldn't want early war on a huge map, that was half my issue with mid war and early war arenas back then, the map was too damn big for those slower planes and it made it look like there was no action going on and people wouldn't stick around. Should have used some smaller custom made maps.

Just a thought to ponder

A plane is only as uber as the pilot.

I could respond to the rest, but don't really have time unfortunately, but I'll stick to this quote.

While that is generally correct, it doesn't matter how good a pilot is if they are in a older plane vs an equal pilot in a newer plane. If both pilots are equal, the plane absolutely does matter, along with positional awareness. Plane capability makes a huge difference, it's why they never stopped trying to make planes faster and faster.

Also, it's about the Situational Awareness as well. A good pilot in a very slow plane isn't going to be able to out run the 3 190Ds and 2 Yaks coming to gang. You have to be much smarter about planning your attack and getting out of the fight. A tempest on the other hand, you can dive in and make mistakes with SA and press X immediately if you get too slow, and most planes still aren't going to be able to catch you.

IMO, decent sticks in less super late war planes will make the game much better for noobs. A noob fighting a vet where both are in spit 16 negates any plane advantage a noob may have.

Too many Tempest being used does not help noobs. It was once again a top 5 killer last tour. It needs to be perked much higher. Fast planes like a 190D with 500 cannons need to be 5 or 6 eny atleast. These types of planes make fights very boring because BnZ is a boring style of gameplay. Generally Noobs aren't going to have fun fighting 190D BnZ and Tempest when they are already disadvantaged and defending a base anyway.

I wouldn't recommend a P51 to a newb. They aren't goon enough at aiming to be effective with the 50 cals. And they aren't good enough when they get too slow and planes jump on them, that's one reason why the K/D is so much lower than a 190D. A 190D is better for a noob to learn. However they should understand that theres a time for attack planes and a time for defense planes, so they should also learn a Ki84 or spit8-16 to understand how to properly defend bases as well. If they only fly a P51 or 190D trying to defend, they aren't going to be very successful with that either.

[Banshee7]

You guys keep mentioning newbs.  What newbs are you talking about??

[The Fugitive]

You guys keep mentioning newbs.  What newbs are you talking about??

The few that keep trickling in.

[Banshee7]

The few that keep trickling in.

Interesting.  In my experience, most of the "new" guys that trickled in the last few years were either returning players or players that have played other sims.  And it was very, very few of them.