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« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2025, 11:02:31 AM »
Haha I just ordered some parmesan cheese to make crisps, Trips. I actually want to try these mushroom cheese crisps...basically same as making crisps, except put slices of mushroom on top with room in between...cut the cheese after baking  :ahand and enjoy!

Also...anyone heard of autophagy fasting? Might be worth a Google. I've worked my self up to 72hr fast and I can tell you my body is definitely healing.

Interesting.  Goona try that. 

I do try and fit a 24 hr fast in at least once a month.  I've done up to a 5 day but that felt excessive.  Once you are well fat-adapted, you can blow through a 24 hour fast and not even notice it.  I found the best way for me is, I eat my usual "Lupper" around 3-4 pm.  Then just fast until the next days Lupper.  Most of the fast occurs over night and neither day do I have to go to bed hungry.  Once or twice a month like that is a nothing burger.  I could almost do it accidentally when I am fat-adapted.

And yes, I don't fast for weight loss.  I fast for autophagy.  If anyone wants to learn more, I suggest looking at the work of Jason Fung and Valter Longo. 

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Re: Everything Starts With Nutrition
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2025, 11:06:00 AM »
Haha I just ordered some parmesan cheese to make crisps, Trips. I actually want to try these mushroom cheese crisps...basically same as making crisps, except put slices of mushroom on top with room in between...cut the cheese after baking  :ahand and enjoy!

Also...anyone heard of autophagy fasting? Might be worth a Google. I've worked my self up to 72hr fast and I can tell you my body is definitely healing.

72 hours is pretty darn good! I've done 48 hours after a 40 ounce ribeye. The first time I fasted it was for 18 hours and I said never again. Then two days later I was fasting again. You can do that when you are loaded with protein.

Yes, I've heard of Autophagy. I believe that's where the body utilizes its own tissue. It helps to get rid of extra skin. From what I've heard your skin replaces itself every 90 days so replace it with healthy skin.

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« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2025, 11:37:55 AM »

Yes, I've heard of Autophagy. I believe that's where the body utilizes its own tissue. It helps to get rid of extra skin. From what I've heard your skin replaces itself every 90 days so replace it with healthy skin.



Autophagy is an amazing piece of metabolic magic. 

There is some evidence that when losing weight, bouts of fasting and use up that unneed skin and reduce loose skin problem. That doesn't seem to occur just from long term caloric restriction. That is not proven but there are lots of antecedal reports of that effect.

But wait!  There is MORE!!!  :rofl

The human body is amazingly clever.  The body doesn't just blindly eat it's cells.  It has mechanisms to detect weak, old, and damaged cells and the autophagy goes after them first.  Those are also the kind of cells that are most likely to go cancerous.  Awesome to have a natural mechanism to shed them before they become a problem.

Another amazing effect is during a fast you blood volume will decrease measurably.  Not to a dangerous point, but it does do it.  It is shed any red\white cells that aren't 100% optimal preferentially.  And after the fast?  Magic.  The body up-regulates the expression of stem cells and quickly produces brand new healthy blood cells to replace them.  It's like some creepy old rich guy getting blood transfusions from healthy 16 year olds. ;)

Also it just plain gives your digestive tract a chance to rest.  The intestines can't process food AND repair at the same time.  Some repair happens over night.  A fast just allows to the digestive tract a chance to dedicate 100% of it's energy to repair for an extended time.

Here is my personal theory. Humans evolved for a couple of hundred thousands years as Hunter-Gatherers.  The Neolithic revolution was just yesterday in comparison.  Hunting, you don't always get a kill every day.  It was perfectly natural to go a day or two between kills. 

I think the human body is smart.  Instead of that being a problem, it has figured out how to see that as a feature not a bug.  I think it uses the fast period as a chance to repair and clean out the deadwood.  Then during the re-feed it up regulates stem cells and replaces all the old crap it got rid of with brand new shiny cells.

I think of it like a metabolic pump.  Fast/Feed.  Fast/Feed.  You need both strokes for the pump to function optimally.   

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« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2025, 02:08:28 PM »
That autophagy thing sounds marvelous!

Speaking about "healthy" food, back in 1956 Amos Milburn sang about French Fried Potatoes and Ketchup as "it's amazing how the kid's are getting calories and kicks eating" said nutritients. And in the early 1960's Chuck Berry sang that "The coolerator was crammed with TV dinners and ginger ale". Was that the start of the American airline companies to take action to people not fitting their seats?

Not saying that the pre-freezer diet of heavily salted meat was good for your arteries, though.

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« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2025, 05:56:06 PM »


Stem cells maintenance is the name of the game
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« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2025, 06:48:54 PM »
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Stem cells maintenance is the name of the game

Pretty cool!

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« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2025, 07:24:33 PM »
Stem cells maintenance is the name of the game


Every time you attempt a fast, it gets easier as Getback noted.  Half of it is just psychological and habit.  Make a deal with your self ahead of time.  Just give yourself permission that if you truly start to feel bad (persistent nausea or dizziness, or bad headache), then just stop this time and try again another time.  Every attempt gets your body more used to it.  It's not a test of your manliness. 

Here is the advice I'd give based on my fasting experience:

1.  First get fat-adapted.  If will make it soooo much less painful (assuming you have some body fat..for most Americans, that is not a problem). Low carb or keto or Carnivore.  Whatever works for you.  I'd say get fat-adapted for at least a month before trying fasting.        It is not required, but it will be a lot less stress and pain.

2.  Hunger doesn't increase forever.  It comes in waves.  It increases, but then subsides again.  It is controlled by the spike release of the hormone ghrelin base on your past eating patterns.  It's just reminder "Hey, it's that time of day we usually eat.  Don't forget."  After a while that hormone release fades until the next normal eating window and then you will get another wave.  Understanding that it is an impermanent sensation that won't just keep increasing and increasing and don't be afraid of it, is half the battle. Don't panic when you feel the sensation. Ever go to bed kinda hungry but wake in the morning and not be hungry anymore?

3.  stay busy. 

4.  Stay hydrated.

5.  Supplement electrolytes and micro nutrients if you want.

6.  Black coffee or green teas are fine.  Nothing with milk or sugar obviously.

7.  Arrange your fasting window so that as much of it occurs while you sleep as possible.  That's why the 24 hr fast is not so bad.  1/3 of that window is spent asleep.

8.  On a longer fast or first time, careful how you re-enter feeding.  On a longer fast, there are some risks if you just go hog wild immediately after the fast.  With a 24 hour fast there is little danger but why risk it.  See "Refeeding syndrome".  When I was first  starting out after a fast I'd start with a big cup of bone broth and then wait an hour or two, then have an egg or something not too crazy.  Wait a couple of hours and then resume your normal schedule. 

9.  Listen to your body.  A little hunger is normal.  If you really feel crappy, don't try and muscle through it.  Just stop and try again in two week. 

10.  After any fast longer than 24 hours, its best to wait at least two week before trying another.  Remember the pump.  The refeed is as important as the fast to get the full effects.  A good healthy refeed is what signals the body it is safe to start producing stem cells and begin recovery.

I'm not a doctor, but that's how I do it.  If you got serious health issue, consult a doctor first.  If you are taking medications especially like anything that effects glucose, BP, talk to a doctor first.  In general it's probably a good a idea get a check up first and tell them what you plan and see if they have a real reason why that would be risky for your situation.

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« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2025, 08:12:31 PM »
Brilliant sir, I'd also like to note breaking your fast with clean, organic food (bone broth, kimchi, saurkraut, cocoyo) is almost essential or all that work is for naught.
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« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2025, 08:29:36 PM »
Brilliant sir, I'd also like to note breaking your fast with clean, organic food (bone broth, kimchi, saurkraut, cocoyo) is almost essential or all that work is for naught.

So if I'm readin' you correctly, A family-sized bag of Doritos with Tabasco shaken into the bag along with a rack of Pale Ales and 2 boxes of Girl Scout thin mints is a no? Just asking for me from 2001.

Some spicy Kimchi sounds really good right now, actually.

Thanks for the fasting chart, btw. I do 18 hour fasts 4-5 times a week, I think I can up my game pretty easy.
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« Reply #99 on: February 09, 2025, 03:59:47 AM »
Didn’t read everything. The problem with fasting is it makes metabolism slow down. If you’re just cleansing the body no problem. But gain more weight when ya first eat again. And thats the key to weight loss, keeping it up. A person that snacks all day will lose more weight than someone who eats a big meal, but may have eaten more.

If you fast for 2-4 days your body starts eating itself and that can hard on things like the liver. A lot of vitamins is hard on the liver., digesting a little of medications can too.

Basically you’re putting it through a yo-yo. Its nit a great weight loss program.

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« Reply #100 on: February 09, 2025, 04:27:02 AM »
Didn’t read everything. The problem with fasting is it makes metabolism slow down. If you’re just cleansing the body no problem. But gain more weight when ya first eat again. And thats the key to weight loss, keeping it up. A person that snacks all day will lose more weight than someone who eats a big meal, but may have eaten more.

If you fast for 2-4 days your body starts eating itself and that can hard on things like the liver. A lot of vitamins is hard on the liver., digesting a little of medications can too.

Basically you’re putting it through a yo-yo. Its nit a great weight loss program.

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It's intermittent fasting and autophagy that was being talked about here-not the long, sustained Bobby Sands hunger strike fasts. Google "intermittent fasting and metabolism" to see the numerous studies and publication from NIH, Harvard and the like.
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« Reply #101 on: February 09, 2025, 07:52:44 AM »
The chance the average American will purposely fast in his or her lifetime these days is about the same as they will walk on the moon..

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« Reply #102 on: February 09, 2025, 08:10:36 AM »
It's intermittent fasting and autophagy that was being talked about here-not the long, sustained Bobby Sands hunger strike fasts. Google "intermittent fasting and metabolism" to see the numerous studies and publication from NIH, Harvard and the like.


Exactly correct.

That is why short duration fasts (up to 5 days or less) is not sufficient to lower metabolism significantly.  In fact may temporarily raise metabolism.

That is why short duration fasts are are better than severe long-term caloric restriction or "diets".

As long as you are reasonably healthy and have body fat available, there is no material metabolic reduction or muscle wasting. 

As long as you don't have any deep underlying medical issues or complicating medication interaction, stay hydrated, have at least 5% body fat, up to a week long fast is perfectly safe and very therapeutic.

That is why the refeed cycle is important.  It signals the body that, hey, that was just a temporary thing.  You're safe, no need to go into starvation mode.






Trust your body.  If at any point it feels wrong (not just merely challenging), then simply stop and carefully begin refeed.  If you have doubts, check with your doctor first.




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« Reply #103 on: February 09, 2025, 09:16:44 AM »
Exactly, you have to know your body and the limits. I can do 72 hr fast, my wife would probably be malnutrition if she did. But the science is there...the numbers are there.

The body needs to fast, min 12-16hrs and max 72hrs, to work on things it has been putting on the back burner, like reconstruction and healing. After 72hrs, and again depending on your body, all that work will slow down because of nutrients...which is when you introduce things like bone broth to help your gut microbiology flourish...if you didn't know, gut is the second brain...and the more important brain, because we directly affect it with our food! We've been taught all kinds of bogus...God has made the perfect machine to house our souls...less is more!
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« Reply #104 on: February 09, 2025, 09:29:33 AM »
..less is more!

Ancient Egyptians had a clever saying (to the best of my memory)...

"1/3 of what we eat is what we need to live on.   The other 2/3 is what our doctors live off of."

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