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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2025, 12:33:05 PM »
Sam, you will find the AH community is top notch.

I have lots of films. Is there anything specific you are looking for?

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2025, 11:14:53 PM »
OK, my Aces High Help Page Has a couple dozen Aces High films available for down load, most great films to learn from. I learn from watching as well more than flying along and listening to a trainer.....no offence to the trainers.

Sodas Aircraft evaluation site can be looked at on an archived page, just click the link back there.

Doktor Gonzo had a page that use flash to compare planes in Aces High. I have repaired the site (as FLASH no longer works) and you can find it here.

Any thing else your looking for just post it, some of us may have it.

Thank you for all of this, working my way through it all right now.
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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2025, 12:33:16 AM »
Sam, you will find the AH community is top notch.

I have lots of films. Is there anything specific you are looking for?

I have spent the day thinking about this as I don't want to be a pest and ask a million questions. Thus I want to give an example of what I typically need a fighter for.

Basically, I'm a nomad (auto-switch) player who plays at all hours of the day. If I'm deploying a fighter good chances are the base is under serious attack. The numbers are something like 18-3-5 and I'm on the three team and the team with the numbers is in full steamroller mode. What I'm looking for is a good defensive fighter. Two options would be great (I'm not fond of carrier aircraft but I will use one if need be) one carrier and one land based.


1-2 enemy fighters deack/cap of the common types for the dual role:
FW-190 A8-D9
P-47 N or D40 models
American CV planes: Corsairs or Cats
P-51Ds

They will usually straight up ignore me at least until they drop their eggs. Some will avoid me until both eggs and rockets are gone. A few fight with rockets onboard, but very rare.

1-2 sets of Bombers:
Usually Lancs or B24 (occasionally B17s) at 10k or less to WF town. Bomber alt discipline seems to be lacking these days. I can't really employ proper HABI techniques on 4k Lancs without risking becoming part of the scenery and I'm doing my damnedest to break myself of coming up on the level six o'clock death zone. The reason I mention the bombers is I am leaning towards American fighter/attack aircraft...but planes without cannons aren't known for being the best at bomber intercept.

1-2 GVs (or the rare goon)
My theory with this so far is to spawn a fighter with eggs/rockets and dump all of it before take off. Once I dispatch the air threats I can land and hit the rearm pad to reload the ordinance I need to deal with GVs. If I can stop the fighters and bombers the GVs should always be a level C threat. Often times they will tower or turn tail if I can scare off the air threat from deack/wf. SO not necessarily worried about the troop carrier.


What I'm looking for are videos and guidance on a fighter that can up from a base under attack (I would LOVE to up from the next base near and come in with some alt and e, but depending on distance the base is already FUBAR before I get there and not much left I can do) and defend the area within 5k of the town from a combination of fighters and bombers attacking at 10k alt or less. This means I don't necessarily need a top end engine (if they leave I'm totally ok with that, no need to chase them down) or the best turn radius. I need a fighter that makes a good guard dog. I have the advantage that the fighters/bombers must keep coming into my area to accomplish their mission. Disadvantages are almost always being outnumbered and alone.

Planes I'm considering:
P-51D or P47M/N (these seem to do magical things when you learn the flap/rudder tricks)
F4U1A (I've heard rumors this one is a hidden gem of carrier planes)
KI84 (this one seems very dangerous in experienced hands and may work well for my role)
NIK2 (I can't quite figure out if this will work or not)

I have not overlooked the Tempset (or perked Corsairs) as the big dog of guard dogs...but I'm perk point poor and even when they're 8 perks losing them adds up quick so not trying to get too into them until I can actually afford to be an idiot.

Thank you,

Sam

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #18 on: February 19, 2025, 01:02:31 AM »
Lazerr, is correct, however bear in mind,  you are NOT seeing exactly what the other player was seeing. You are seeing what "your" computer "saw" the other player doing. That does not detract from the quality of the feedback you gain from the view.  :aok

I just wanted to say thank you Ken...you Talon and Sandy are some of the few people who actually come to help me resup strats. It sure is nice not having to do 16-17 runs by yourself and I sure as hell appreciate it. Once I get a bit better at fighter skills I'm going to start practicing my Komet driving and maybe put a stop to the nonsense...or at least make them think twice about doing it

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2025, 01:26:45 AM »
OK, my Aces High Help Page

You just gave me a clear town map I CAN PRINT...and increased my 8" and 16" gunnery abilities 127%

Ohh, the mischief I'm going to cause with this... :D

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2025, 07:52:01 AM »


Planes I'm considering:
P-51D or P47M/N (these seem to do magical things when you learn the flap/rudder tricks)
F4U1A (I've heard rumors this one is a hidden gem of carrier planes)
KI84 (this one seems very dangerous in experienced hands and may work well for my role)
NIK2 (I can't quite figure out if this will work or not)

I have not overlooked the Tempset (or perked Corsairs) as the big dog of guard dogs...but I'm perk point poor and even when they're 8 perks losing them adds up quick so not trying to get too into them until I can actually afford to be an idiot.

Thank you,

Sam

So you have been hanging out with my squadmates (Ken, Talon, Sandy), fun guys.

As for upping at a base under attack, most of the planes you are looking at are too heavy for defense. The plus of the american fighters is their speed. The bad news is none of them get up to speed very fast, so upping from a rear base to get alt and speed gets you there too late.

Defending under a cap you need something that gets to speed quick, turns well at lower to midrange speeds and packs a punch. The LA7 you have a few kills in is a good one for that as well as the NIK, the KI84 and pretty much any of the spits.

I know you are trying to steer away from the spits.... and rightly so.... damn "dweebfire".... easy mode plane....  :devil  You'll hear them all, but if your mission is to defend a base, it shouldnt matter which plane you use as long as your having fun doing what you want....defend the base. The spits are quick to speed, agile, and have cannons. No need to use flaps because they dont need them. The same goes for the NIK KI and LA. The only problem is going to be the short firing time these planes have so a good aim is important. You aim looks to be about average, so you have a good handle on it there.

From a CV, the F4u-1a is the best bet among the Corsairs as its the one of the fastest, but like all corsairs they climb like a brick. Seafires and zeros would suit a base defense better.

Then if you fly like Scott66 or ZE then the brewster might be your plane. Tiny little knat of a plane that turns on a dime and has 50 cals. Not very fast.

So there are a lot of options. If you want to "just get in there" then the slower turny type planes are a better choice. If you want to survive and last longer the big fast planes are what you want.

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2025, 11:19:12 AM »
Sam, I'll put together some films for you. I should have a corsair or two in there somewhere.  :D

All the planes you are considering are good performers. Like all the planes they have their strengths and weaknesses.

Don't worry about asking questions. Like I said before, we have a great community with many who are more than willing to jump in and help. It's also in my job description.  :joystick:

If you would like to try something different than MA gameplay they are running a Battle of Britain (BoB) scenario at the end of March, early April. Scenarios are a more structured, historically accurate,  match ups than you find in the MA.

Here's a link.

https://ahevents.net/index.php/events/scenarios/current-or-next-scenario

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2025, 01:04:40 PM »
Hello Sam, it's not much but some decade or more ago I made these two. Might be a few nuggets of good info still

https://youtu.be/pdwLKYTHbwE?si=4KVAsOpwm4jSMKew    109 vs spit

https://youtu.be/oZXzk8S60O4?si=-X3j5F5jc24Y6pIU    109 vs multiples

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2025, 03:20:40 PM »
If you would like to try something different than MA gameplay they are running a Battle of Britain (BoB) scenario at the end of March, early April. Scenarios are a more structured, historically accurate,  match ups than you find in the MA.

Here's a link.

https://ahevents.net/index.php/events/scenarios/current-or-next-scenario

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I was actually reading about the BoB event the other day and I'm seriously considering it. I'm already registered for FSO (Fly with the Purple Hearts) and have flown the past 3-4 events. I enjoy the very much teamwork based play of the FSO. It makes me miss the glory days of arena playing when I was a teenager flying with JG3 under TwoDogs5. My only apprehension is it seems like it will be an event where teamwork is "suggested" and not an absolute requirement like FSO. I like the team work...I miss it especially in the main arena

If you have any videos of the KI-84 from your PoV I would enjoy seeing those too. I've been reading this plane (it doesn't have the same power as yank fighters) can do a lot of the same "tricks" as American fighters in regards to flaps and rudder techniques. Added bonus is it has CANNONS...sorry this is one thing I absolutely hate about US fighters is no cannons (exceptthe 38-39 which have a puny amount) 

Thank you

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2025, 04:29:18 PM »
Defending under a cap you need something that gets to speed quick, turns well at lower to midrange speeds and packs a punch. The LA7 you have a few kills in is a good one for that as well as the NIK, the KI84 and pretty much any of the spits.

The LA seems like the training wheel power fighter. I do enjoy it but for my purposes it seems very lacking. I need to be able to engage, disengage, engage, disengage very quickly which seems an LA really isn't suited for. Against other fighters protecting the AA guns on town is priority one and the LA seems to lack the turn ability to quickly change targets while one fighter is trying to drag me away while the other finishes deacking...that and once you slow down in a LA you're just done for.

I know you are trying to steer away from the spits.... and rightly so.... damn "dweebfire".... easy mode plane....  :devil  You'll hear them all, but if your mission is to defend a base, it shouldnt matter which plane you use as long as your having fun doing what you want....defend the base. The spits are quick to speed, agile, and have cannons. No need to use flaps because they dont need them. The same goes for the NIK KI and LA. The only problem is going to be the short firing time these planes have so a good aim is important. You aim looks to be about average, so you have a good handle on it there.

Aside from the heckling status my issue with the Spitfire is the limited cannon ammo. I LOVE the Hispanos, they are absolutely amazing pieces of mischief, but they're hungry and eat up quick. Once a Spit (I like the 13) use up the cannons it's basically useless. At a minimum I need guns usually for at least one fighter and three bombers(formation). The minimum base horde usually is deacker, white flagger, troop carrier. This is why I'm considering the KI-84 is it has double the cannons of any Spit.

However, the only pilot I know who is really good with a KI84 is a fella named kamurogi(sp). I've tried talking to him through text and vox a few times to no avail.

Then if you fly like Scott66 or ZE then the brewster might be your plane. Tiny little knat of a plane that turns on a dime and has 50 cals. Not very fast.

I will give credit where credit is due. About a week ago I turned off my easy stuff (no auto take off, no stall limiter, etc.) and I decided to up a Brewster just to fiddle with it. I COULDN'T force it to do anything wrong. No violent stalls, no violent flips, no flat spins...nothing (compared to the I-16 which will do all of that) I would honestly recommend the Brewster for anyone who shuts off the easy stuff as the first fighter to start with thereafter. However, for my purposes even if the WF bombers are coming in at 6k alt I don't think the Brew could even make it up there in time and even if it did the firepower I would consider "wishful thinking" for a formation of bombers.

-Sam

P.S. I was actually invited by Talon to join the Pups...y'all dodged a bullet there when I went nomad  :D now you guys only have to deal with me in small doses
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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2025, 04:41:51 PM »
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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2025, 04:53:45 PM »
If you wish to pick my brain for anything, don't hesitate to ask  :salute

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2025, 05:11:46 PM »
Hello Sam, it's not much but some decade or more ago I made these two. Might be a few nuggets of good info still

https://youtu.be/pdwLKYTHbwE?si=4KVAsOpwm4jSMKew    109 vs spit

https://youtu.be/oZXzk8S60O4?si=-X3j5F5jc24Y6pIU    109 vs multiples

good luck!

I have to say these are two of the better youtube videos I've seen. Pilot actually explaining what they're doing. What I've seen so far is mostly just gun sight view, no explaination of what they're doing just watching the shooting.

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2025, 09:03:33 AM »
Hello Sam, it's not much but some decade or more ago I made these two. Might be a few nuggets of good info still

https://youtu.be/pdwLKYTHbwE?si=4KVAsOpwm4jSMKew    109 vs spit

https://youtu.be/oZXzk8S60O4?si=-X3j5F5jc24Y6pIU    109 vs multiples

good luck!

Thats good stuff

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Re: Requesting Trainer Assistance (Fighter Techniques)
« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2025, 09:26:09 AM »
If you need a big fat target to practice angles on, let me know! I'm always down to practice.  :salute :cheers:
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