Yo! What Happened To HT's Vision?

[danish]

This is a storm in a non exsisting glas of water.

If EZ mode is implemented so newbies can get in the game gradually, but where veterans can harvest on their experience everyone can be happy.

If problems occur down the road things will most likely be corrected.

This is a matter of play balance\customer satisfaction, an area HTC has shown noumerous times is high up on their agenda.

Point is it can be good, and it can be bad - noone knows before its here.

danish

[Beegerite]

Thanks all for the feedback.  PLEASE, let's not waterdown the other thread on EZ mode or other specifics in here.  My intent in posting this separate is to make sure that all the customers are aware of what the management is saying so that they can get legitimate constructive feedback on how we perceive any changes to the original vision which drew us to AH.  I personally want FULL REALISM with a FM that responds exactly how a real airplane would.  Based on substantial real flight experience, we're not there yet!  However, I was hoping that we would continue in that direction.  The subject posts say to me that I need to be concerned that money needs are making them consider going the other way.  The question for this thread is basically if HTC is changing horses in mid-stream, which is perfectly within their rights, should I stick around at $30/month while the FM moves further away from what I want.  I believe that as loyal customers, we owe it to HTC to tell them what we like and don't like.  I personally don't like the tone of Pyro's posts.  I feel betrayed!  Evidently many others feel the same way as I experienced last night when HT came into the arena and was met with a wall of silence that you could cut with a knife.
We need to tell them now while the idea is just that.  Should we not vote with our fingers it may become necessary to vote with our feet and we would then lose an extremely good flight sim.  
Beeg
P.S. Want to go for the masses?  Then give us $9.95/month and separate FM arenas like FA.  I personally know that the 90% of my former squad that didn't come over did so because of the 3X pricing which they just couldn't justify.
   

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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by danish:

Point is it can be good, and it can be bad - noone knows before its here.

danish

Agreed, danish...but I must make clear what roads I wont follow. And one I wont do, at all, is a mixed EZmode-Realmode arena. And I wont give it a try. If newbies want to fly EZ, they can have an EZ arena. But please dont touch the MA Real mode, or I'm gone.

I even ask myself if the EZmode wont be kind of BAD for newbies. Look, we have a Training Corps here, we have a wonderful community that always help newbies...and I've been in the newbie side not too long ago. I dont see how an EZmode could've helped me...in fact I think it could have DAMAGED my progress. If I fly with some tactics that work in EZ,but not in RM, then if I take the step and go into RM ,then I'll be lost.

I climbed the mountain and I can say it wasnt easy...but sure it was fun to learn. Now I'm not anything but an low-average pilot here, but I have fun and I come for more. I am deeply hooked in AH, and I think that I got hooked when I was learning...it was SO fun and SO rewarding to learn how to fight Monster-aces as Torque, Hangtime, Fariz, Ripsnort, Kieren...that when I have some fights against them (and of course I lose  ),and I hold my own, I feel like a god. I know I wont feel the same if I fighted them in EZ mode. I dont want advantages on my side, or I'd have less fun.
That hooked me...and that won my money for HTC...
Dont see why it wont be OK to keep this way...if ain't broken..why fix it?



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[Beegerite]

Let me tell you that as a long time veteran of the battle of life, the time to show how you feel is when somebody starts moving towards the cupboard.  Once he grabs the glass and starts pouring you're gonna drink whatever he gives you.  Do it politely and straight forward but do it!
Beeg

 

Originally posted by danish:
This is a storm in a non exsisting glas of water.
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danish

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[1776]

I get so tired of ppl sayn"I QUIT! I QUIT!!"

Geez,give it a break!!!  If we aren't growing something needs to be done!!!  HTC is filled with ppl that have a history in this bznss!!  Give them a chance to grow!!

It's not unreasonalbe to want to grow.  As I have said before, I trust their judgement.

I for one am very interested in their ideas as to how to solve the problem!!!  I bet the resolution will be revolutionary as this sim is!!!

He heeeee,besides where ya gonna go anyway??
Ya know we gotta good thing here!!!

 


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[RAM]

 

Originally posted by 1776:
I get so tired of ppl sayn"I QUIT! I QUIT!!"

Geez,give it a break!!!  If we aren't growing something needs to be done!!!  HTC is filled with ppl that have a history in this bznss!!  Give them a chance to grow!!

It's not unreasonalbe to want to grow.  As I have said before, I trust their judgement.

I for one am very interested in their ideas as to how to solve the problem!!!  I bet the resolution will be revolutionary as this sim is!!!

He heeeee,besides where ya gonna go anyway??
Ya know we gotta good thing here!!!

 


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1776, I give them the chance to grow, but you'll understand that if they choose a way that will piss me off till the end of time I wont pay for it.

I dont say "I'll Quit" in a bad mood, I say it to make clear what I want and what I am going to pay. And I am making clear what I am NOT going to pay. Not to make a menace. HTC can perfectly live without my $s, that is for sure.

I agree. It is reasonable to grow. But if they are going to do something I dont like in order to grow, then I dont see the point in staying. I love AH as it is and I am ok with AH growing, it will be best for all. But there are some limits in the gameplay mode that I dont want to see changed where i am flying. if that is changed, then I'm out.

And where am I going to go?. I lived 22 years without Aces High. I wont die dont worry. I am in a Falcon 4 Squadron,and it has been months since I last flew it. So dont worry about my future, I'll do it for you  

[hitech]

RAM why havn't you left already do to the mixture of auto take off in the same arena, or for that mater the auto fuel tank selection? You can make all the same arguments about it as you are about something you have no idea what it will be like.


HiTech

[RAM]

   

Originally posted by hitech:
RAM why havn't you left already do to the mixture of auto take off in the same arena, or for that mater the auto fuel tank selection? You can make all the same arguments about it as you are about something you have no idea what it will be like.

HiTech

    hitech...I fly Fw190...Kommandogėrat, you know    

I am against EZmode for ones but not for the others. And as I wont fly EZ mode I?m not going to fight with people that have it on...so I am against a mixed arena.

Its not an attack against you,nor against HTC. You have your points and your views. You have your plans,you need to grow... and I respect that. I only say that when (if)those plans and views ,and mines, dont agree anymore, then I'll be out. And,hitech, you can understand it, I am sure.

Is nothing against you, really. You,all HTC, are really incredible, you have the nicest sim out there,and I am deeply hooked with it...but I know what I am going to pay for and what I'm not going to pay for. Sorry but is like that.

my statements on these threads only tell in what measures I agree and in wich ones I dont agree. And I regard this matter as a high priority one, not a second rate problem. So if the sim goes for the tracks I wont follow...then I'll leave.

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And, BTW,if you bring engine management into AH, dont worry I'll be the first to be happy to learn to fly with it.

ANd is not a lie. I say it seriously.

And BTW    ...I DO manual fuel tank management on Fw190. I reserve AUX tank as "reserve" fuel. Ask my JG2 fellas...they know I do it  

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[SnakeEyes]

You folks are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Good response Danish.

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[funked]

Guys, I'm pretty sure that part of "HT's Vision" is to create a viable BUSINESS.

Uber-historical-veteran guys don't pay any more money than a newbie who hasn't figured out to shoot the red ones not the green ones.

I'm pretty sure some goodies for the vets and "historical" crowd are in the pipeline.

Give HTC some time to produce this stuff.  And remember that more subscribers means HTC has the time and resources to create more "hard core" features, scenarios, and arenas.

P.S. RAM I find La-5FN to be the easiest plane to fly.  Spit V is real close, but the lateral control is poor at high speeds.  

[funked]

Danish said:  "This is a storm in a non existing glas of water"

LOL!  Yep!

[RAM]

 

Originally posted by funked:

P.S. RAM I find La-5FN to be the easiest plane to fly.  Spit V is real close, but the lateral control is poor at high speeds.    

ummm La5FN needs A LOT of rudder input at low speeds, or rudder trimming. That is something that a newbie doesnt manage very well at the start (I know it, I've been there hehehe)...so I still think Spit is the easiest plane to learn in...

SpitIX...not V. IX is much more forgiving to E-bleeding maneouvers, IMHO.

[Sorrow[S=A]]

Go away funked!
Hehe

We La-5FN drivers knew that forever. Hell the reason I am in a VVS squad and flying here was because in beta days it was the only plane I could fly well.

I can still remember Wardog helping me..

"this plane handles nice but it only has two guns"

"Sorrow- those are two 20mm cannons..  "

 

[funked]

LOL Sorrow.    
I REALLY like that plane, can't wait for La-7.

As for the ease of flight of the Spitfire, it is a historical feature that I am glad to see modeled.  I think the ailerons should be heavier though, at least that's what a pilot who flew most of our planes said:  http://www.airspacemag.com/ASM/Web/Special/Ethell/pirep2.html

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[Beegerite]

Some of you gents are getting lost in the specific mechanics e.g. EZ Mode and the specifics of certain present day planes. The other thread is best for that. This thread is about the company's attitude and whether or not it has changed and whether or not it will impact negatively on those like me and RAM who want the most realistic flight model possible e.g. full engine management, prop feathering, etc. etc.  Damn you can even put in a pre-flight which might discover fuel contamination.  REAL!!!

People who's only experience with aircraft is a plastic joystick and a 17" monitor don't know diddely squat about what this is all about.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, the best pilot in here, repeat the best, will kill himself in a Cessna 150 without real world flight training.  

As far as leaving or not leaving that's also not the issue.  The issue is faith in what HT said as originally quoted and now wondering whether money concerns are now becoming more important than the original vision.  Not to say money isn't important nor that they can't put in EZ-Mode, auto pilots and other hand holding.  He'll I use the auto climb feature to allow me to go take a whizz while climbing to altitude and I know that only the most sophisticated aircraft have such goodies.  Guys like me just want it separate and a re-affirmation of the original commitment to continue working towards the most realistic sim possible. For example I want an FW190 to be super sensitive to high speed stalls which can throw it into an uncontrolled spin or a 109 that kills more people on takeoff than the Allies did.  Having that kind of FM is what I was hoping for down the road.  No specific timetable just say it's so Joe!  We don't want any mixing which would cause stress and suspiscion just to make some newby feel good about killing a veteran of Beta 1 while flying under a less demanding FM.  Most definitely we don't want responses which sound like a "it's my ball and you'll play by my rules" or "take it or leave it" or "go away, we don't need you anyway".  This might satisfy the immediate urge to strike back or get the testastorone stirred up but is neither constructive, diplomatic or good business.  However, if instead of being good customers we're now just a revenue stream, then screw us all.  How did Marie Antoinette so aptly put it?  Let them eat cake?  We know what happened to Marie don't we?

AH is the best flight sim right now, let's keep it that way!

Again
Beeg
   
 

Originally posted by hitech:
RAM why havn't you left already do to the mixture of auto take off in the same arena, or for that mater the auto fuel tank selection? You can make all the same arguments about it as you are about something you have no idea what it will be like.


HiTech

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