Author Topic: 1.10 A/C (Read 1018 times)

Rokkit · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2002, 10:06:01 PM »

and...

FM-2 "White 17" of VF-26, USS Santee, Oct '44.

And a couple of alternative schemes...

Rokkit · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2002, 10:08:19 PM »

Well, OK, it's not the F4F-4...

F4F-3 "Black F-2" flown by Lt Cdr Courtney Shands, VF-71, USS Wasp, Aug 42. Shands scored five ground kills in this bird.

and, finally...

Rokkit · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2002, 10:10:39 PM »

FM-2 "White B6" Mah Baby flown by Ensign Joe McGraw, VC-10, USS Gambier Bay, Oct '44. This bird wears the flags of his first 3 (of 5) kills.

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Karnak · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2002, 10:15:24 PM »

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Originally posted by TheOxman:
Of course. HT is hiding the Jap plane they have instore for us (I hope) I heard alot of talk about the Ki84.

I hate to break it to you, but we need a lot more than one Japanese plane. Its not like we have been stacked with Japanese aircraft and were just waiting for the American stuff to be added.

We need early war US stuff (which seems to be on the way, though a P-39 and P-40 would be great too) and lots of Japanese stuff from throughout the war.

Staga · « **Reply #19 on:** April 20, 2002, 10:42:27 PM »

some info and cool pics... http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/ac-usn22/f-types/fm2.htm

Steven · « **Reply #20 on:** April 21, 2002, 11:53:12 AM »

Those are some nice images, Rokkit. Though normally I would've preferred the slightly more maneuverable F4F-3 to the heavier gunned and heavier overall (wing folding) F4F-4, I'm completely happy to learn that HTC chose to model one of Joe Foss' birds and thrilled that some early-war Pacific is on its way!

The N1K is quite prolific in the MA and represents its country well, so I'm not so sure we need to introduce a Japanese aircraft just for the MA. Rather, I'd personally like to see "themes" being introduced such as the recent addition of BoB planes and hopefully early-war Pacific such as Midway or Guadalcanal and the like (Africa, Mediteranean, etc.) IMO, Europe is pretty well covered at this point. More than just jumping into different airframes, I like being able to jump into different theaters and time-frames of the war and look forward to some early-war PTO!

Added: A lot of people complain about the numbers of American aircraft and I don't think that's fair. You can't compare in the aggregate because unlike Japan, Germany and Russia, the USA fought across the board in both Europe and the Pacific where requirements for aircraft did vary. Comparing USA fighters to Japanese in the Pacific, you have 2-non perked Corsairs, a Lightning and Hellcat compared to the A6M5, Ki-61 and N1K. It's not all that skewed IMO.

Hamish · « **Reply #21 on:** April 21, 2002, 12:25:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak

I hate to break it to you, but we need a lot more than one Japanese plane. Its not like we have been stacked with Japanese aircraft and were just waiting for the American stuff to be added.

We need early war US stuff (which seems to be on the way, though a P-39 and P-40 would be great too) and lots of Japanese stuff from throughout the war.

I agree, and disagree at the same time with ya Karnak, I fully believe that when ( i'm pretty sure it's a given we'll get it) the KI-84 is introduced, it will do a lot for the Pac type scenarios, giving the Japanese planeset a much needed boost in the latewar department.

But, i also agree that we need a much broader japanese planeset to fully exploit the possiblities we have before us. I personally want a Ki-43, somethin to shoot down in my F4F

I'm patient tho, i think HTC has the idea of where to go, and will do it in time. I wouldn't be too suprised if this next version is the most # of new planes added in a very looong time

(which is a good thing imo)

Rokkit · « **Reply #22 on:** April 21, 2002, 12:37:01 PM »

Good post, Steven. I agree with you. And here's another Guad bird.

F4F-4 "White 2" unit and pilot unknown, USMC, Guadalcanal, Sept '42. Photographed on the island by photographer from Stars and Stripes.

Karnak · « **Reply #23 on:** April 21, 2002, 02:24:58 PM »

Steven,

Actually it is this:

A6M5b
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
N1K2-J

vs

B-26B
F4U-1
F4U-1D
F6F-5
P-38L
P-47D-11
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P-51D
PT Boat
TBM-3

There are many impartant Japanese aircraft that have not been added and dozens of interesting, if not important aircraft needed.

At the very minimum, given the late war context, a balnced Japanese planeset would have looked like this:

A6M5b
B6N2
Ki-44-IIb
Ki-61-I-KAIc
Ki-67
Ki-84-Ia
N1K2-J

I really want the H8K2 as well, but given its low production I can't count it as integral. The H8K2 is the only aircraft that can give the Japanese any semblence of offensive punch though. It carries more than twice as much as any other Japanese bomber.

We did need the early was US stuff and I'm glad to see it being added. That doesn't change the fact that the Japanese are massively under represented in the current planeset. Of all the major participants, the US and Japan fielded the greatest number of designs, both having entirely separate navy and army airforces.

I am assuming that there are Japanese aircraft yet to be announced that we are getting in 1.10.

Steven · « **Reply #24 on:** April 21, 2002, 04:37:44 PM »

Karnak,

I do see your point. But I think it's unfair to compare the USA across-the-board to other countries who fought in only one theater. Yes, most types of USA aircraft fought in both theaters, but really, each type actually flew predominantly in one theater or the other. I say we need to look at plane-sets based on the theater and look at only those types of aircraft which flew predominantly in that theater. I'm sorry Japan didn't fight in Europe and had their own Ki-666 Mustang designed for that type of war. The same can be said with the LW vs the Mustangs and Thunderbolts and you can't really count the Corsairs and Hellcats because they don't really belong in that theater. (I'm generalizing, I know some flew there.) The LW 190s and 109s are not the natural adversary of the Zeke and so you have to have Corsairs and Hellcats just like you need Mustangs and Thunderbolts against the 109s and 190s. If we want Pacific and European wars represented, you will have to have a predominance of USA aircraft in the overall plane set because they fought in both theaters and in large numbers.

I am all for more Japanese aircraft in the long run. I just don't like how the USA aircraft are bunched together in comparisons and I realize I may be the only one who looks at it in that way.

Steven · « **Reply #25 on:** April 21, 2002, 04:43:18 PM »

Rokkit, that's a really sweet image! I hope we get an early Zeke to go with our new Wildcats. If they do make an A6M2, I expect it to roll even worse than the A6M5 we have because it had a larger wing. I suspect early-war Pacific will be some tough fought dogfights in the CT.

Karnak · « **Reply #26 on:** April 21, 2002, 05:05:56 PM »

Steven,

You missed one of my points. Even though the Japanese were only fighting in two theatres they had a huge list of aircraft for the same reasons that the US did. They had entirely separate navy and army airforces, each with its own list of aircraft.

Also note that I did not list off all the UA aircraft, just most of them. The B-17G didn't really see service in the pacific so I didn't include it. I simply included all US aircraft that saw service in the pacific, not simply listing all US aircraft in AH.

None of this matters a whit in the MA. Anybody can fly anything for any side in the MA. The original nationality of any given aircraft is entirely irrelevant in the MA.

This does, however, matter a huge amount for the CT and scenarios.

EDIT:

BTW, the A6M5 and A6M2 have the same wing, except for the thickened skin on the A6M5. You're thinking of the A6M3 with clipped wingtips as having smaller wings

Rokkit · « **Reply #27 on:** April 21, 2002, 05:08:42 PM »

An A6M2 would be sweet, Steven, and I gotta ton of them. Not many in the non-plain gray scheme, though.

A6M2 of 6th Kokutai, Rabaul, November '42.

Rocket
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Steven · « **Reply #28 on:** April 21, 2002, 10:53:29 PM »

Karnak, actually I didn't miss that point. And I think you meant to say the Japanese only fought in one theater (I don't recall swarms of Zekes and Bettys bombing London or defending Berlin.) Anyway, my comment was more addressed to those who say "no more USA aircraft, we have enough!" I hope you saw me type it a few times already, but I actually support more Japanese aircraft though would prefer early-war because I find that more interesting and more even in the combat; however, late-war Japanese aircraft would survive in the MA better of course. At this point I think we have the MA well covered with the N1K, Spit, LA7, 190D/109G10 and P51. Again, more to my overall point, we will end up having more USA than anything else because Aces High incorporates aircraft from both the PTO and Euro theaters and that's just a fact and the way it has to be.

Also, I'm almost certain the wingspan of the A6M5 is a few feet shorter than the A6M2 which made it roll a little bit faster. You strike me as being an encyclopedia on this stuff, so I'll yield to what you say. And yeah, the A6M3 (most of them) had the clipped tips, but I didn't mean that.

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I found some data online:
A6M2 Dimensions: Wingspan 39 feet 4 7/16 inches
A6M5a/b Dimensions: Wingspan 36 feet 1 1/16 inches

Karnak · « **Reply #29 on:** April 21, 2002, 11:29:49 PM »

Steven,

The Japanese fought in two theatres.

Pac and CBI.

They didn't fight in NA, Europe or Eastern Front.